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The companies way of avoiding redundancy payments.
Guys & Girls go on LWOP, in the meantime QF Int gets moved to Sin. Therefore no positions to comeback to at the end of the LWOP.
Best option will then be to resign and stay at EK.
Guys & Girls go on LWOP, in the meantime QF Int gets moved to Sin. Therefore no positions to comeback to at the end of the LWOP.
Best option will then be to resign and stay at EK.
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I'm going. Well, I'm at least going to have a look.
There will be no guarantees. You'll fit back in wherever your seniority allows. Could be same fleet, could be different. Some (many) will not come back.
There will be no guarantees. You'll fit back in wherever your seniority allows. Could be same fleet, could be different. Some (many) will not come back.
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Quite ironic now a whole bunch of QF pilots will crew the next wave of increased capacity into Australia by Emirates. While QF concentrates on having an offshore base to "compete." QF International is going to be eaten alive the next few years, and the only last thing going for it was it was an Australian Airline. I just cannot see how its going to survive, and I cant think of any rational idea why they are tunnel visioned on this labour cost issue... The cost of crewing these aircraft is hardly different from all the Asian competitors (major ones anyway) yet they are making record profits, its the contraction of routes thats killing the roo, and I dont think Jetstar is going to be the golden cash cow especially when the oil price increases... oh well I obviously think too much... Joyce will be gone once the last breath is taken by QF.
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If there was any doubt left, this definitely clears it up...... This is management clearly telling us there is no career left for us at Qantas mainline. Act accordingly..................
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I won't give you any flak, obviously there are some issues at EK and its good you raised that point. I heard the redundancy conditions at QF are pretty good so I would rather get made redundant then go work somewhere else taking the money and run!
I won't give you any flak, obviously there are some issues at EK and its good you raised that point. I heard the redundancy conditions at QF are pretty good so I would rather get made redundant then go work somewhere else taking the money and run!
I doubt there will be no hard feelings.
Much like there were no hard feelings when the guys took the jobs with jetstar that undermined QF and ultimately caused the situation we now see.
Hopefully, a few guys from QF will go, and that will finally put an end to the constant carry on about anyone having the high moral ground in any of this. Ultimately we all have to do what is best for us individually.
Collectively, however, we can do what is best for us all.
Tough decisions for some, easy for others. Good luck either way.
Much like there were no hard feelings when the guys took the jobs with jetstar that undermined QF and ultimately caused the situation we now see.
Hopefully, a few guys from QF will go, and that will finally put an end to the constant carry on about anyone having the high moral ground in any of this. Ultimately we all have to do what is best for us individually.
Collectively, however, we can do what is best for us all.
Tough decisions for some, easy for others. Good luck either way.
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Couple of points:
1. Some of us were going to come anyway.
2. If accepted, we will join under the same conditions as anyone else. Had Jet* guys demanded mainline conditions to fly basically the same A/C, we would be in a very different situation.
3. If EK treats us poorly, they KNOW we will leave in three years. Other joiners are more tied to the place. We are not the answer to their problem.
1. Some of us were going to come anyway.
2. If accepted, we will join under the same conditions as anyone else. Had Jet* guys demanded mainline conditions to fly basically the same A/C, we would be in a very different situation.
3. If EK treats us poorly, they KNOW we will leave in three years. Other joiners are more tied to the place. We are not the answer to their problem.
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I am sorry,this doesnt make alot of sense to me? I am not a pilot,but wouldnt this be like QF 'Lending' Cabin Crew to Virgin Australia for 3 years?? Getting the benefit of our experience, training, standards etc. I could see a benefit from doing it with an airline we are in a formal/financial partnership with,but the enemy no. 1 as QF has always said EK is 
I just don't get it,again I am not a pilot, but it seems QF are actively assisting the competition take over through this move
Just curious is all
I just don't get it,again I am not a pilot, but it seems QF are actively assisting the competition take over through this move
Just curious is all
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With respect to coming to EK, you guys are either a little mis-informed or perhaps a bit deluded.
TineeTim
Your comments would APPEAR to imply that your presence is very much in the vein of EK needing you more than you need EK, in point of fact this might presently be correct, but don't make the mistake of thinking that this gives you anything other than a smile on your face. EK will drop you quicker than a bacon sandwhich during ramadan if they decide to, no ifs, no buts, no AFAP and no support from your fellow Ozzies either.
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3. If EK treats us poorly, they KNOW we will leave in three years. Other joiners are more tied to the place. We are not the answer to their problem.
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So the exodus from QF mainline has begun.
Joyce of course, does not want to observe the redundancy clauses in the award to get rid of his 'overpaid pollution'
I note 'the nudist' was the point of contact at the bottom of the FSO. You can bet your left knacker he has been directed from very high up to develop and run with this option.
Note he was sprung recently having meetings with reps from PARC also.
To those who are thinking of going consider this: This won't be the last 'deal' on offer to get rid of you.
I for one will wait for a package, and probably go to the ME then anyhow.
Joyce of course, does not want to observe the redundancy clauses in the award to get rid of his 'overpaid pollution'
I note 'the nudist' was the point of contact at the bottom of the FSO. You can bet your left knacker he has been directed from very high up to develop and run with this option.
Note he was sprung recently having meetings with reps from PARC also.
To those who are thinking of going consider this: This won't be the last 'deal' on offer to get rid of you.
I for one will wait for a package, and probably go to the ME then anyhow.
So Joyce avoids the redundancy provisions of the LH contract, lowers the wages bill (collects a bonus due increased profit), loses market share to EK (who are using QF LWOP pilots) and therefore justifies moving mainline offshore!
I just cannot believe the bastardry of these pr*cks (for want of a much worse word) that are professing to MANAGE our airline!!!!!!!!
I just cannot believe the bastardry of these pr*cks (for want of a much worse word) that are professing to MANAGE our airline!!!!!!!!
Ben's take on the news:
Qantas giving pilots leave to go fly for Emirates | Plane Talking
I'll take a package too. Alan, at least have the guts to slash my throat rather than expect me to do it for you.
Qantas giving pilots leave to go fly for Emirates | Plane Talking
I'll take a package too. Alan, at least have the guts to slash my throat rather than expect me to do it for you.