AirNZ & the ash-cloud
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AirNZ & the ash-cloud
An interesting read, squarely meeting the innuendo and rumour apparently emanating from lofty areas of another airlines' head-office!
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What Alan also failed to mention was that Qantas was very happy to transfer thousands of its customers onto Air New Zealand and other airlines’ services, which seems a strange thing to do for your customers if you have concerns about the safety of the airspace.
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Only serves to strengthen my view. QF and JQ no-fly decision is purely political. Absolutely nothing to do with safety and by that I mean responsible, intelligent, educated and informed risk management.
QF and JQ have Senate Inquiry and CASA hot potatoes to deal with and they want to spin whatever positive safety message they can as they simply do not want any heat associated with any form of ash event at all.
That, and they wouldn't mind another dollar off the share price, which'll help the their mates takeover.
QF and JQ have Senate Inquiry and CASA hot potatoes to deal with and they want to spin whatever positive safety message they can as they simply do not want any heat associated with any form of ash event at all.
That, and they wouldn't mind another dollar off the share price, which'll help the their mates takeover.
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It's about fixing their poor safety image. Not record, that is still good, it's the image.
Maybe they also found that not flying was some how cheaper and bigger yields later?
Something is fishy. Best answer is they can't afford the risk.
Maybe they also found that not flying was some how cheaper and bigger yields later?
Something is fishy. Best answer is they can't afford the risk.
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Would I be correct in saying this article is complete rubbish?
Volcanic ash cloud over Australia | Why some airlines are flying
Volcanic ash cloud over Australia | Why some airlines are flying
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I can say to Rob Fyfe that the lies and bull**** spouted by AJ are being noticed. I can only hope that his deception and manipulation will become common knowledge in Australia and around the aviation world.
A lot of us in the aviation industry are envious of the leadership and integrity being shown by Rob Fyfe. The Australian aviation industry has no integrity at the CEO and managerial levels.
A lot of us in the aviation industry are envious of the leadership and integrity being shown by Rob Fyfe. The Australian aviation industry has no integrity at the CEO and managerial levels.
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hmmm.... make of it what you will.
So did AJ not write to Qantas freguent flyers and say
It would seem to me that he is implying that other airlines are not operating safely.
Yet a Qantas spokesman is quoted as saying this in the Business Day article
Can't have it both ways.
''As a valued frequent flyer I want to let you know why we have made these decisions when other carriers, including Virgin and Air New Zealand, have continued to operate.
''Qantas does not take the decision to cancel flights lightly...but safety is our first priority and we will never fly unless we are fully satisfied that it is safe to do so.''
''Qantas does not take the decision to cancel flights lightly...but safety is our first priority and we will never fly unless we are fully satisfied that it is safe to do so.''
Yet a Qantas spokesman is quoted as saying this in the Business Day article
'No-one at Qantas, including Alan Joyce, has said or implied at any point that other airlines are operating unsafely.
''As a valued frequent flyer I want to let you know why we have made these decisions when other carriers, including Virgin and Air New Zealand, have continued to operate.
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I'm sorry Ken, but I have to disagree.
I too received the e-mail as I am a QF infrequent flyer. Upon reading it the very first thought I had was that AJ was indirectly saying that QF was taking a safe approach by not flying, with the implication that DJ and NZ specifically were not.
If it was meant as a general statement with no implied dig at Air NZ or Virgin etc then there would have been no specific airlines mentioned.
Yes, the pax are confused. However, QF's reasons could have been put clearly and succinctly with no reference to anyone else. Simply state "we are not flying for these reasons. We make our own decisions based on bla bla bla. We will keep you informed."What AJ in essence said is that QF is taking the safe approach and NZ, DJ etc are not!
Of course the QF spokseman has to say
as it would be VERY poor form for one highly respected carrier to accuse another of taking a cavalier attutide towards safety and passengers lives!
I too received the e-mail as I am a QF infrequent flyer. Upon reading it the very first thought I had was that AJ was indirectly saying that QF was taking a safe approach by not flying, with the implication that DJ and NZ specifically were not.
If it was meant as a general statement with no implied dig at Air NZ or Virgin etc then there would have been no specific airlines mentioned.
Yes, the pax are confused. However, QF's reasons could have been put clearly and succinctly with no reference to anyone else. Simply state "we are not flying for these reasons. We make our own decisions based on bla bla bla. We will keep you informed."What AJ in essence said is that QF is taking the safe approach and NZ, DJ etc are not!
Of course the QF spokseman has to say
'No-one at Qantas, including Alan Joyce, has said or implied at any point that other airlines are operating unsafely.
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No Jack Ranga, the "make of it what you will" was not directed at you or your comment, rather at the content of the article linked. Personally I agree with what you have written in regards this issue!
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Originally Posted by waren9
Only serves to strengthen my view. QF and JQ no-fly decision is purely political. Absolutely nothing to do with safety and by that I mean responsible, intelligent, educated and informed risk management.
QF and JQ have Senate Inquiry and CASA hot potatoes to deal with and they want to spin whatever positive safety message they can as they simply do not want any heat associated with any form of ash event at all.....
QF and JQ have Senate Inquiry and CASA hot potatoes to deal with and they want to spin whatever positive safety message they can as they simply do not want any heat associated with any form of ash event at all.....
No carrier has ever suffered damage to an airframe if they've avoided flying through visible ash (which can't be done at night, of course).