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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 08:56
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Thumbs up AirNZ & the ash-cloud

An interesting read, squarely meeting the innuendo and rumour apparently emanating from lofty areas of another airlines' head-office!

Onya Rob ;-)
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 09:05
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AJ just seems to be vying for the crown of worlds greatest pathological liar. It seems it may be the one thing he will be successful at!
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 09:11
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What Alan also failed to mention was that Qantas was very happy to transfer thousands of its customers onto Air New Zealand and other airlinesí services, which seems a strange thing to do for your customers if you have concerns about the safety of the airspace.
Very good point there ...
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 09:16
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Can someone PLEASE send this to all the instos who own QF !!

Seriously, they are either extremely stupid or in on the scam!!
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 09:27
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Only serves to strengthen my view. QF and JQ no-fly decision is purely political. Absolutely nothing to do with safety and by that I mean responsible, intelligent, educated and informed risk management.

QF and JQ have Senate Inquiry and CASA hot potatoes to deal with and they want to spin whatever positive safety message they can as they simply do not want any heat associated with any form of ash event at all.

That, and they wouldn't mind another dollar off the share price, which'll help the their mates takeover.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 11:14
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A very interesting read. Rob Fyfe being up front saying it like it is. He is one CEO who deserves his pay.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 11:21
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It's about fixing their poor safety image. Not record, that is still good, it's the image.

Maybe they also found that not flying was some how cheaper and bigger yields later?

Something is fishy. Best answer is they can't afford the risk.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 12:33
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Would I be correct in saying this article is complete rubbish?
Volcanic ash cloud over Australia | Why some airlines are flying
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 12:44
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Yes.

Why would you put your passengers on a competitors aircraft if you were concerned about safety?
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 13:11
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Bloody incredible and can't say we here in PPRuNe land didn't say it first!
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 13:14
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Blogsey, yes that man is sprouting utter and complete BS.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 13:30
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I can say to Rob Fyfe that the lies and bullshit spouted by AJ are being noticed. I can only hope that his deception and manipulation will become common knowledge in Australia and around the aviation world.

A lot of us in the aviation industry are envious of the leadership and integrity being shown by Rob Fyfe. The Australian aviation industry has no integrity at the CEO and managerial levels.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 10:38
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hmmm.... make of it what you will.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 10:57
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If you're asking who I believe? Qantas management are proven liars, they've been caught out on several occasions blatantly lying, the freight cartel a prime example.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 11:40
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So did AJ not write to Qantas freguent flyers and say
''As a valued frequent flyer I want to let you know why we have made these decisions when other carriers, including Virgin and Air New Zealand, have continued to operate.

''Qantas does not take the decision to cancel flights lightly...but safety is our first priority and we will never fly unless we are fully satisfied that it is safe to do so.''
It would seem to me that he is implying that other airlines are not operating safely.

Yet a Qantas spokesman is quoted as saying this in the Business Day article

'No-one at Qantas, including Alan Joyce, has said or implied at any point that other airlines are operating unsafely.
Can't have it both ways.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 13:20
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''As a valued frequent flyer I want to let you know why we have made these decisions when other carriers, including Virgin and Air New Zealand, have continued to operate.
The punters were confused/perplexed. Any reading of this does not imply that QF is sayiong that NZ and DJ are unsafe. Nor does it suggest that AJ is lying. He is simply trying to explain a QF decision that differed from those of DJ and NZ.

QED.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 13:38
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I'm sorry Ken, but I have to disagree.

I too received the e-mail as I am a QF infrequent flyer. Upon reading it the very first thought I had was that AJ was indirectly saying that QF was taking a safe approach by not flying, with the implication that DJ and NZ specifically were not.

If it was meant as a general statement with no implied dig at Air NZ or Virgin etc then there would have been no specific airlines mentioned.

Yes, the pax are confused. However, QF's reasons could have been put clearly and succinctly with no reference to anyone else. Simply state "we are not flying for these reasons. We make our own decisions based on bla bla bla. We will keep you informed."What AJ in essence said is that QF is taking the safe approach and NZ, DJ etc are not!

Of course the QF spokseman has to say
'No-one at Qantas, including Alan Joyce, has said or implied at any point that other airlines are operating unsafely.
as it would be VERY poor form for one highly respected carrier to accuse another of taking a cavalier attutide towards safety and passengers lives!
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 13:40
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I hear certain staff members of a LCC are trying to spread as many malicious unfounded rumours as possible about a competitor.

Careful.
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 06:47
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No Jack Ranga, the "make of it what you will" was not directed at you or your comment, rather at the content of the article linked. Personally I agree with what you have written in regards this issue!
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 10:00
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Originally Posted by waren9
Only serves to strengthen my view. QF and JQ no-fly decision is purely political. Absolutely nothing to do with safety and by that I mean responsible, intelligent, educated and informed risk management.

QF and JQ have Senate Inquiry and CASA hot potatoes to deal with and they want to spin whatever positive safety message they can as they simply do not want any heat associated with any form of ash event at all.....
^^^^That's exactly the reason why QF/J* didn't fly.

No carrier has ever suffered damage to an airframe if they've avoided flying through visible ash (which can't be done at night, of course).
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