Joint Airline Industrial Action

[Packvalve]

It seems clear that QF/JQ and VA/VB have serious IR issues pending.

Any ideas so we, and more importantly the unions could get together to organise some legal co-ordinated industrial action?

I don't necessarily vote for Labour, but it's never going to get any easier especially if we eventually get a government with harder IR policies.

A bit hopeful for PPRUNE but I hope that we could generate some positive discussion and ideas.

[another superlame]

Wow just like 1989 all over again. I am sure a few thousand pilots would love to be out of a job. Legal or not I think it is dangerous.

[Packvalve]

Dangerous - I agree. But what can we do to stop our T&C's fall apart.

[Tankengine]

Packvalve,
Protected Industrial Action is only possible during EA negotiations at the permission of Fair Work Australia so joint action probably not possible.
That said, if you were to help out by not flying on days off etc on extra flights to help out that would be appreciated.

another superlame,
read above, this will be "PROTECTED" industrial action like your brothers a few years ago.

THIS IS NOT 1989!

[Packvalve]

Yea, I already prescribe to the "not working on days off" philosophy but apparently not everybody in my company does.

[another superlame]

I understood it as protected when I wrote. But protected or not you can never trust the greedy single minded ignoramus' they call managers.

[Krumlov]

and VA/VB have serious IR issues pending.

Woah don't drag us into this. We are overall happy!

[ampclamp]

I understand John Borghetti has been admitted to hospital.Surgeons have unsuccessfully tried to chisel the grin off his face for a few weeks now without success.
He must be just lapping it up.

[Mr. Hat]

Krumlov, are the V Australia guys "happy" are they? You must be speaking to a different bunch than I am. I'll assume you support the introduction of B scales also.

What's the word on the business class meals mate?

Great work on the direction rebranding etc. I'm yet to be conviced of any improvement in conditions. Shiny badges and uniforms don't impress me. My jury is still out.

I tend to call a spade a spade.

[Krumlov]

Firstly, the OP said VA/VB and since VB is 950 pilots vs some considerably smaller number at VA my statement of OVERALL (ie not everyone) holds.

As for the meals...who cares? And as for the conditions I think they are fantastic.

You're editing faster than I can keep up! :-) B scales what is it, what are the details? The reality is there is currently no "B scale" proposal so there is nothing to support or oppose!

[kimir]

Krumlov you must have iron guts and a tolerance for above normal preservative use. I care about the meals, not being given business seats when paxing duty travel, what are the 330 fellas being paid again? It has improved a lot but don't get sucked in by the shiny lures. We still have a long way to go.

[Mr. Hat]

Apologies, I try to avoid the multiple posts where I can.

Vaus mates tell me a nice B scale is to come for you and I for ANY seat changes. You will see it in your union notes.

I think it's a fantastic job, possibly the best in Australia and I'm the first to cheer the company on or help out.

However, I don't get star struck or caught up in waves of teenage euphoria. I think business class seating when empty and business class meals as raised by the leader when he started isn't too bad a deal for the unlimited extra free pilot goodwill I see around the place. Fair go.

[Krumlov]

We still have a long way to go.

The question is of course "to what?" The reality for ME is that I have around 50% of the year not working, a 737 captain gets paid $200k with allowances (which is over triple the average Australian wage if you can't get by on that you need to have another look at what you are doing), noone hassles me, the crews I work with are generally great, and I have a job in Australia. Look some people are going to care about meals and where you sit, but for me that is so minor I am not going to get worked up and prefer to focus on the good and keep it in perspective.

P.S. As for the A330 I have no opinion. I will wait for the next EBA.

[Krumlov]

I think business class seating when empty and business class meals as raised by the leader when he started isn't too bad a deal for the unlimited extra free pilot goodwill I see around the place.

True and I'm not going to knock it back. See previous post for my overall thoughts.

You will see it in your union notes.

I read them all and I have not seen this. The last I saw about VAUS was that the proposed pay from the company (which was not much improvement over current) was rejected by the union. No B scale though. As for VB we haven't even started yet!

[Short_Circuit]

I understand John Borghetti has been admitted to hospital.Surgeons have unsuccessfully tried to chisel the grin off his face for a few weeks now without success.

AJ was at the hangars a few months ago and said with a grin, JB will never be invited back???
What is this about?

[Krumlov]

Hmmm... My previous post disappeared!

you must have iron guts

Pretty much!

I care about...

Fair enough. The reality for me is I get around 50% of the year off, a 737 captain gets 200k a year with allowances (which is over triple the average australian wage so if you can't do something with that you need to look at what you are doing), I work with generally great people, and I work in Australia. I prefer to focus on these big things and not worry too much about the "nice to haves". Sure I would like them but I am not going to lose sleep over not having them.

[Arnold E]

I understood it as protected when I wrote. But protected or not you can never trust the greedy single minded ignoramus' they call managers.

Hmmm, that's true, what would you suggest.

[Mr. Hat]

which is over triple the average australian wage

..and probably slightly more than triple the average responsibility.

I didn't say anything about the current B737 Captains wage. You've coincidentally picked the very top earner for your comparison with the average Aussie wage. The average Aussie doesn't fork out 100k and decades of an apprenticeship in the scrub for a career/life that could end with one error or two bad sim rides. The average Aussie will just go down the road and get a new job if the current one closes. The average Aussie doesn't turn up to work 15-30 minutes early year on year out...need I go on. I'm wasting bandwidth and my own time.

I read them but haven't seen anything about this.

Suggest reading again.

I prefer to focus on these big things and not worry too much about the "nice to haves".

Is Seniority a "nice to have"?

No mention of B scale. At VB we haven't even started yet!

You are in for a bit of a shock. See you in a few months.

Being keen and positive is great, I'm the same and you'll find many a post to prove that. I suggest however looking at all sides of the argument. I to am in a great position but I don't ignore there are many in my company that are not.

[Arnold E]

..and probably slightly more than triple the average responsibility.

Every job has its own responsibilities, that is a bad comparison, take for instance, the nurse at the trauma centre, see what I mean? dont compare, Just state your case.

[Krumlov]

Suggest reading again.

I don't suppose you can post a summary or link?

...there are many in my company that are not.

True the EMB guys could do with a boost. I also think fleet pay for FOs might work (again to help out the EMB).

Seniority

Yeah I'll stick my head up on this. Sure for some things seniority probably should be the decider (eg base transfers). However, I firmly believe that command upgrade opportunity should have a merit component. I see no reason to give someone a "go" if all their reports suggest they will not pass or are slack or have a bad attitude. A lot of this comes down to "what has been done in the past". Many are opposed to my previous sentences, yet would probably say that upgrade to training or check captain should be merit based, because thats the way it has always been done. Helmet on!