Qantas Pilots, You Are Losing The Battle.
A few weeks ago someone quoted a manager saying that Qantas could cope with one complete hull loss without damaging the brand.
If there is proof to back up that attitude, it could make one hell of a story...
If there is proof to back up that attitude, it could make one hell of a story...
If you want to take it the same way management have been playing just quote any figure you want, using your own 'internal modelling'.
It doesn't matter if its true or not, its a soundbite, its a headline, that's what sets the tone for the rest of the article for uninformed masses.
Qantas management know that, that's why they're able to get away with blatant lies, like $145million for 2 tickets per pilot..
"Alan Joyce's malfunctioning calculator" is the best quote I've heard from the pilot side so far. He needs to be ridiculed in a short effective sentence like that.
It doesn't matter if its true or not, its a soundbite, its a headline, that's what sets the tone for the rest of the article for uninformed masses.
Qantas management know that, that's why they're able to get away with blatant lies, like $145million for 2 tickets per pilot..
"Alan Joyce's malfunctioning calculator" is the best quote I've heard from the pilot side so far. He needs to be ridiculed in a short effective sentence like that.
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I don't agree with much Sunfish has said over the years, but he has this one exactly right.
I fear though, it may be too late. The outsourcing arguement should have been fought when the first Jetconnect flight flew trans Tasman, what, 9 years ago? For some reason the Qantas pilots sat idly by and let it happen. Then along came Jetstar and a bad situation got worse, and still nothing was done. Now, years later, there is finally a realisation that the situation is presenting an imminent and very real threat to Qantas pilot's careers and livelihoods....and still you can only read about it on Pprune?
For goodness sake, you have sat and watched while management have successfully undermined you for nearly 10 years, and only now you are thinking, maybe we should be doing something?
I went through the Ansett NZ lockout /restructure/bankruptcy/receivership/liquidation and through some poor representation and leadership, along with a surprisingly ruthless management approach, we got well and truely screwed. Even now, people recall the "pilot's strike" when in fact the management locked us out. Exactly the same thing could happen to Qantas mainline pilots, and our management didn't have 2 other airlines they also owned who could take over. Just because you are an "Aussie Icon", doesn't mean you are somehow invulnerable.
Get a serious PR campaign underway to try and make up some lost ground. You have a hell of a lot of work to do, and I honestly hope it isn't too late.
I fear though, it may be too late. The outsourcing arguement should have been fought when the first Jetconnect flight flew trans Tasman, what, 9 years ago? For some reason the Qantas pilots sat idly by and let it happen. Then along came Jetstar and a bad situation got worse, and still nothing was done. Now, years later, there is finally a realisation that the situation is presenting an imminent and very real threat to Qantas pilot's careers and livelihoods....and still you can only read about it on Pprune?
For goodness sake, you have sat and watched while management have successfully undermined you for nearly 10 years, and only now you are thinking, maybe we should be doing something?
I went through the Ansett NZ lockout /restructure/bankruptcy/receivership/liquidation and through some poor representation and leadership, along with a surprisingly ruthless management approach, we got well and truely screwed. Even now, people recall the "pilot's strike" when in fact the management locked us out. Exactly the same thing could happen to Qantas mainline pilots, and our management didn't have 2 other airlines they also owned who could take over. Just because you are an "Aussie Icon", doesn't mean you are somehow invulnerable.
Get a serious PR campaign underway to try and make up some lost ground. You have a hell of a lot of work to do, and I honestly hope it isn't too late.
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For some reason the Qantas pilots sat idly by and let it happen.
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All Alan wants to do is make you earn your pay and you're just wanting to slack off.
All Alan wants to do is make you earn your pay and you're just wanting to slack off.
Romulus, we are fighting to keep our jobs - all the other crap in the media is simply smokescreen.
Great post Sunfish.
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"Kamikaze"?
If the pilots are kamikaze then the qantas board are on a "Banzai Charge"
The main difference between kamikaze and banzai is that death was inherent to the success of a kamikaze attack, whereas a banzai charge was only potentially fatal — that is, the infantrymen hoped to survive but did not expect to.
"Operation Ten Go" was a "Banzai Charge" at the battle of Okinawa. the japs intended to beach the battleship Yamato to provide support to the "enemy" forces. the allies incorrectly thought they would be dealing with kamikaze pilots.
are we witnessing "Operation Ten Go 2", with "Qantas Mainline" being beached to support the enemy. Or is it "Operation 1700 Go"!
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i guess our irish friend does not know his "Bushido" code. and to think he wants to start jetstar japan.
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The main difference between kamikaze and banzai is that death was inherent to the success of a kamikaze attack, whereas a banzai charge was only potentially fatal — that is, the infantrymen hoped to survive but did not expect to.
"Operation Ten Go" was a "Banzai Charge" at the battle of Okinawa. the japs intended to beach the battleship Yamato to provide support to the "enemy" forces. the allies incorrectly thought they would be dealing with kamikaze pilots.
are we witnessing "Operation Ten Go 2", with "Qantas Mainline" being beached to support the enemy. Or is it "Operation 1700 Go"!
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i guess our irish friend does not know his "Bushido" code. and to think he wants to start jetstar japan.
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Hmmm!...let's have a bit of a think about this possible strike action by the Qantas long haul pilots. Does it include the Qantas short haul pilots?
Does it include the Jetstar pilots?
Are Qantas short haul pilots members of AIPA?
Are Jetstar pilots members of AIPA? If not, do they have their own union?
And what about Virgin pilots, are they members of AIPA, or perhaps the Jetstar pilot union?
Or do they have their own union? Perhaps the AFAP?
And, are all of the above groups in non compulsory unions?
And, are all the possible union groups mentioned above in rapport and sympathy with each other?
I certainly hope so, because if not...
...well, I'll leave that for you to think about!
Does it include the Jetstar pilots?
Are Qantas short haul pilots members of AIPA?
Are Jetstar pilots members of AIPA? If not, do they have their own union?
And what about Virgin pilots, are they members of AIPA, or perhaps the Jetstar pilot union?
Or do they have their own union? Perhaps the AFAP?
And, are all of the above groups in non compulsory unions?
And, are all the possible union groups mentioned above in rapport and sympathy with each other?
I certainly hope so, because if not...
...well, I'll leave that for you to think about!
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Thank you Romulus. I knew you would not be seeing our campaign through rose coloured glasses but some of your advice is good. Just a couple of points -
We haven't yet.
Not sure about the pilots but we do have a media company that advises and helps us prepare. At the end of the day, our message is delivered by Paul Cousins and I no matter who is assiting or advising us. We have done our media training and just need the 5 key ponits. The AIPA message similarly will be delivered by Barry and Richard. It gives it far more credibility than a spokesmodel.
Um, aren't YOU the ones going on strike and disrupting me?
Sunfish is right, you guys are fighting the wrong war. Get genuine PR in from the outside.
I've flown with some pretty savvy switched on people over the years and what we need is to find someone ( Pilot, Engineer, Flight Attendant etc ) to setup a Professional PR firm with the express intent of providing a unique specialized service to all the Aviation Unions for times just like this.
Surely there must be somebody working in the industry or recently retired with the skills that could take on this role full time.
They certainly would have plenty of work to keep them busy both here and abroad ( Cathay's union the HKAOA could certainly use them too )
Anybody?
Surely there must be somebody working in the industry or recently retired with the skills that could take on this role full time.
They certainly would have plenty of work to keep them busy both here and abroad ( Cathay's union the HKAOA could certainly use them too )
Anybody?
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The AIPA message similarly will be delivered by Barry and Richard. It gives it far more credibility than a spokesmodel
Sorry to disagree but think you need to look at the views of many expressed on that front. Whether we are right or wrong who knows, but as joe public we have a view.
And we are on your side.
Sorry to disagree but think you need to look at the views of many expressed on that front. Whether we are right or wrong who knows, but as joe public we have a view.
And we are on your side.
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Solution
"Qantas Pilots Donate Their Pay to Charity"
- could the donation of one days (basic hrs) pay per pilot be donated to charity. The total amount donated would be significantly less than the amounts published in the media ($350k-$500pa) thus proving what lies have be been spun lately. Obviously this would be a great headline and many questions would follow as to why pilots have done so. The amount donated could be compared against things such as, the same amount as what the CEO earns in a week, or as a percentage to what was wasted in cartel fines.
There are means through payroll to do this easily. If the company refused this request from pilots then it would give even better news headlines.
"Qantas Keeps Thousands in Charity Donation", not entirely true but close enough.
I would give up a days pay for charity. I already donate more than this a year anyway. Could be perfect timing seeing its the Salvation Army Red Shield Appeal tomorrow.
Just a thought?
- could the donation of one days (basic hrs) pay per pilot be donated to charity. The total amount donated would be significantly less than the amounts published in the media ($350k-$500pa) thus proving what lies have be been spun lately. Obviously this would be a great headline and many questions would follow as to why pilots have done so. The amount donated could be compared against things such as, the same amount as what the CEO earns in a week, or as a percentage to what was wasted in cartel fines.
There are means through payroll to do this easily. If the company refused this request from pilots then it would give even better news headlines.
"Qantas Keeps Thousands in Charity Donation", not entirely true but close enough.
I would give up a days pay for charity. I already donate more than this a year anyway. Could be perfect timing seeing its the Salvation Army Red Shield Appeal tomorrow.
Just a thought?
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Great Idea... I'd go further. To demonstrate that this dispute is "not about the pay", I'd even donate the entire first year additional income attributable to any salary %age increase (All 26% of it!!!!!!)... only so long as QANTAS gives us the job security clause!
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Sorry to disagree but think you need to look at the views of many expressed on that front. Whether we are right or wrong who knows, but as joe public we have a view.
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BreakkyBurrito is HOLTingly accurate.
The union powers that be at the time were hand delivered the msg on J* before it happened but chose to COMPLETELY ignore the info.
Why was that?
It really is no wonder things are as they are. It is apparent that the mis-representation at 'the union' over those years really is a disgrace.
The union powers that be at the time were hand delivered the msg on J* before it happened but chose to COMPLETELY ignore the info.
Why was that?
It really is no wonder things are as they are. It is apparent that the mis-representation at 'the union' over those years really is a disgrace.
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short circuit is on to something and thank you for the post breakfast burrito
qantas.not.au -
the public might relate to the outsourcing of australian jobs a lot better than they will relate to wage increase issues.
who hasn't been affected by outsourcing? ever call telstra?!? lol
right or wrong, the australian masses will for the most part, not make as much money as you do (or are perceived to do, don't want to go there) - how can they relate to a guy that makes $200K a year and 'works' two weeks a month? I know you don't work a mere two weeks a month - but they don't, and I don't know if you'll ever be able to buy a newspaper ad or tv spot long enough to explain it let alone make the masses read the darn thing or listen.
find a spin doctor boys, find a spin doctor.
the public might relate to the outsourcing of australian jobs a lot better than they will relate to wage increase issues.
who hasn't been affected by outsourcing? ever call telstra?!? lol
right or wrong, the australian masses will for the most part, not make as much money as you do (or are perceived to do, don't want to go there) - how can they relate to a guy that makes $200K a year and 'works' two weeks a month? I know you don't work a mere two weeks a month - but they don't, and I don't know if you'll ever be able to buy a newspaper ad or tv spot long enough to explain it let alone make the masses read the darn thing or listen.
find a spin doctor boys, find a spin doctor.
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Mr Secretary, i disagree -
this is about the future - can the masses equate 'future' with a 50 year old guy in a tv spot - find the youngsters in your group, with families.
the median age of the australian population is 36 - 36 = kids, mortgage, car payment, and lots of stress being in the middle of your career and how to progress, blah blah blah.
36 year olds have a hard time relating to 50 year old guys that have been at the same job for 25-30 years and are perceived to make a helluva lot more money than them, not mention their kids are out of the house. they have different realities entirely.
the median age of the australian population is 36 - 36 = kids, mortgage, car payment, and lots of stress being in the middle of your career and how to progress, blah blah blah.
36 year olds have a hard time relating to 50 year old guys that have been at the same job for 25-30 years and are perceived to make a helluva lot more money than them, not mention their kids are out of the house. they have different realities entirely.