Qantas to start another airline offshore?
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Poorly Channeled Effort
If management spent the same amount of energy trying to grow the business as they do trying to destroy it then Qantas would be a very competitive and profitable airline.
Cannibalization of mainline by Jetstar
Deliberate disengagement of the entire workforce
Illegal corporate practices
Poor fleet choices
A 1980s IT environment
Starving mainline of Capital
Deliberate trashing of the Brand
Obscene Executive bonuses.
These current EBA negotiations need not be so adversarial.Small compromises by management would lead to positive outcomes for everyone.
So unnecessary.
Its all about saving face by an incompetent management team that is totally clueless
Time and again employees have compromised for the future of the airline and have been done over.
The line needs to be drawn in the sand.This will be the last hurrah
Cannibalization of mainline by Jetstar
Deliberate disengagement of the entire workforce
Illegal corporate practices
Poor fleet choices
A 1980s IT environment
Starving mainline of Capital
Deliberate trashing of the Brand
Obscene Executive bonuses.
These current EBA negotiations need not be so adversarial.Small compromises by management would lead to positive outcomes for everyone.
So unnecessary.
Its all about saving face by an incompetent management team that is totally clueless
Time and again employees have compromised for the future of the airline and have been done over.
The line needs to be drawn in the sand.This will be the last hurrah
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The line needs to be drawn in the sand.This will be the last hurrah
Nobody I talk to believes QF will survive the fight it's about to have. With current Management attitudes vs Employee attitudes, there will never be an agreement.
As far as I can tell, this will be a fight to the death. With all the information freely available on the net, it would appear the Employees have got nothing to lose.
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Institutional Shareholders
There are some large funds who have sizable shareholdings in Qantas.
What do they intend to do to protect their investments?
Sit idly by and watch the Qantas share price tank ?
Time for an extraordinary shareholders meeting and a vote of no confidence vote in the board
What do they intend to do to protect their investments?
Sit idly by and watch the Qantas share price tank ?
Time for an extraordinary shareholders meeting and a vote of no confidence vote in the board
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[QUOTE](I'd almost vote for him then)/QUOTE]
Stewser89, your the first person i know to admit to voting for labour.
It obvious that taking the time to complete the engagement survey was a complete waste of time. Obviously they have not been read and if they have the company has no real desire to engage with its staff anyway.
Qantas management has failed to realise that the thing that has made the Qantas brand (not Jetstar) so strong and recognisable for so many years and given many Australians a feeling of home when you hear the Australian accent when boarding your flight overseas is the Australian staff that wear the uniform proudly. The Australian staff that greet you at the boarding gate. The Australian staff that come and talk to your kids during the flight. How many Australian staff will be staffing any venture out of Asia? Not me.
Stewser89, your the first person i know to admit to voting for labour.
It obvious that taking the time to complete the engagement survey was a complete waste of time. Obviously they have not been read and if they have the company has no real desire to engage with its staff anyway.
Qantas management has failed to realise that the thing that has made the Qantas brand (not Jetstar) so strong and recognisable for so many years and given many Australians a feeling of home when you hear the Australian accent when boarding your flight overseas is the Australian staff that wear the uniform proudly. The Australian staff that greet you at the boarding gate. The Australian staff that come and talk to your kids during the flight. How many Australian staff will be staffing any venture out of Asia? Not me.
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Superannuation
If QF goes down the gurgler are employees superannuation protected by legislation?.Will outstanding leave and other entitlements also be protected?
Lets not have a repeat of Ansett where employees got screwed
Lets not have a repeat of Ansett where employees got screwed
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Joyce and Grant~ Qantas Killers
The oldest airline in the english speaking world has survived two world wars and numerous other disasters.It was the first embassador Australia had.It was the quintessential iconic Australian brand.It is being sysytematically dismantled by foreigners~~~One Irishman and a Kiwi !!
While all other australian brands have gone off shore or been bought by multi nationals Qantas has remained as one of the few icons to survive.
Australian jobs and tax revenue are now being exported by people who have no emotional connection with our Australian Airline.
Airlines represent their country of origin's character and community on the world stage.
Australia's star is about to be irreparably diminished by barbarians.
The government sits idly by while politicians receive gifts from Qantas management as a reward for their complicity in the airlines demise.
What the fark has happened to this country?
While all other australian brands have gone off shore or been bought by multi nationals Qantas has remained as one of the few icons to survive.
Australian jobs and tax revenue are now being exported by people who have no emotional connection with our Australian Airline.
Airlines represent their country of origin's character and community on the world stage.
Australia's star is about to be irreparably diminished by barbarians.
The government sits idly by while politicians receive gifts from Qantas management as a reward for their complicity in the airlines demise.
What the fark has happened to this country?
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If this "Qantas Asia" or "Qantas Lite" or "Qantas Star" (or wharever they are going to call it) gets off the ground I believe we will see the following....
Singapore or Shanghai (or wherever they eventually decide to set up) being used as the hub for all Aus & NZ to Europe/Mid East flights with the aircraft originating from the Asian hub. On top of that, the new airline will develop an entirely new route structure to service many other Asian and European ports not currently serviced by QF. Australia will be but one thread in the new Qantas Asia spiders web.
The REAL Qantas will be scaled back in it's entirety to conduct some Asia direct services, (Japan, Indo, HKG etc) albiet on a reduced schedule/frequency compared to what they do now. They will also fly trans Pacific services but nothing beyond that. As for domestic.... domestic will fly East Coast and trans continental routes with the odd regional route on which there is no current competition thrown in. Anything else will be the domain of One Star until their aircraft are all painted white with a rat on the tail again.
Would it be unrealistic to ask if some of the the A380's will at some stage be transfered to the new entity rather than having them all based in Aus? There are only so many Dugong loads of passengers you can fly to the USA every day and if they are currently flying through Asia to get to LHR why not base them in Asia where the cost of EVERYTHING is supposedly lower?
Maybe these things won't happen, or if they do, not to the same extent that I have suggested. I don't hold a whole lot of hope though.... Jet Connect effectively has the QF Tasman business to itself at the expense of QF (not forgetting No Star) Seeing as that has worked so well why won't an Asian based carrier?
Singapore or Shanghai (or wherever they eventually decide to set up) being used as the hub for all Aus & NZ to Europe/Mid East flights with the aircraft originating from the Asian hub. On top of that, the new airline will develop an entirely new route structure to service many other Asian and European ports not currently serviced by QF. Australia will be but one thread in the new Qantas Asia spiders web.
The REAL Qantas will be scaled back in it's entirety to conduct some Asia direct services, (Japan, Indo, HKG etc) albiet on a reduced schedule/frequency compared to what they do now. They will also fly trans Pacific services but nothing beyond that. As for domestic.... domestic will fly East Coast and trans continental routes with the odd regional route on which there is no current competition thrown in. Anything else will be the domain of One Star until their aircraft are all painted white with a rat on the tail again.
Would it be unrealistic to ask if some of the the A380's will at some stage be transfered to the new entity rather than having them all based in Aus? There are only so many Dugong loads of passengers you can fly to the USA every day and if they are currently flying through Asia to get to LHR why not base them in Asia where the cost of EVERYTHING is supposedly lower?
Maybe these things won't happen, or if they do, not to the same extent that I have suggested. I don't hold a whole lot of hope though.... Jet Connect effectively has the QF Tasman business to itself at the expense of QF (not forgetting No Star) Seeing as that has worked so well why won't an Asian based carrier?
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Watch your 6....
Maybe that's because Julia Gillard is actually Welsh?
The government sits idly by while politicians receive gifts from Qantas management as a reward for their complicity in the airlines demise.
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The Black Widow's Track Record
Lesley Grant was there when Air New Zealand failed and was nationalized.
Lesley Grant was there when Ansett Australia met its demise
Lesley Grant is now trying to kill off Qantas
Is this woman secretly working for Sing Air?
Grant is typical of Qantas managment.
Execs either have no airline experience or have been involved in the failure of other airlines.
Once control of Qantas was wrested from Australians the writing was on the wall.
Grant and Joyce are not australian.They have no emotional connection to Qantas or Australia.
The Qantas board has no airline experience.
As for Leigh Clifford he is little more than an aged miner sitting out his twilight years in a cushy chairmanship.What do miners know about airlines.?Three fifths of five eights of pharque all
Lesley Grant was there when Ansett Australia met its demise
Lesley Grant is now trying to kill off Qantas
Is this woman secretly working for Sing Air?
Grant is typical of Qantas managment.
Execs either have no airline experience or have been involved in the failure of other airlines.
Once control of Qantas was wrested from Australians the writing was on the wall.
Grant and Joyce are not australian.They have no emotional connection to Qantas or Australia.
The Qantas board has no airline experience.
As for Leigh Clifford he is little more than an aged miner sitting out his twilight years in a cushy chairmanship.What do miners know about airlines.?Three fifths of five eights of pharque all
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AJ et al all seem to think that outsourcing the company is the solution to all it's woes. well fight fire with fire and actually give them what they want....
Here's an idea that will send the shareholders and management into coniptions.
Mass resignations from all the key business groups of Qantas (Pilots, Engineers,CC and groundstaff), and all timed to coincide within the same short period.
What better way of sending a no confidence vote in the management.
Takes Balls I admit but other than striking and having the public offside, what other options are out there.
Contract agencies could be set up to employ all pilots, engineers, cabin crew and ground support staff to fill the void left, and at an extra cost to the company and without the KPI's being met would negate all management bonuses.
The lead time to employ, train and authorise Pilots and engineers is the key. No company worldwide would be able to supply the amount of people required to continue operations, and AJ et al would need to explain why 60% of it's workforce had had enough. Imagine him explaining that away to the share market.
Without the income that Qantas mainline generates, Jetsaitre would struggle with little or no support functions from mainline, and prove finally the amount of finacial support Qantas gives to them.
Just one from the outfield...
Here's an idea that will send the shareholders and management into coniptions.
Mass resignations from all the key business groups of Qantas (Pilots, Engineers,CC and groundstaff), and all timed to coincide within the same short period.
What better way of sending a no confidence vote in the management.
Takes Balls I admit but other than striking and having the public offside, what other options are out there.
Contract agencies could be set up to employ all pilots, engineers, cabin crew and ground support staff to fill the void left, and at an extra cost to the company and without the KPI's being met would negate all management bonuses.
The lead time to employ, train and authorise Pilots and engineers is the key. No company worldwide would be able to supply the amount of people required to continue operations, and AJ et al would need to explain why 60% of it's workforce had had enough. Imagine him explaining that away to the share market.
Without the income that Qantas mainline generates, Jetsaitre would struggle with little or no support functions from mainline, and prove finally the amount of finacial support Qantas gives to them.
Just one from the outfield...
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What the fark has happened to this country?
A/ It's called "corporate greed". IE: Greedy managers chosing immoral ways of earning themselves a nice fat bonus.
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Mass resignations from all the key business groups of Qantas (Pilots, Engineers,CC and groundstaff), and all timed to coincide within the same short period.
Without the income that Qantas mainline generates, Jetsaitre would struggle with little or no support functions from mainline, and prove finally the amount of finacial support Qantas gives to them.
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Appreciate that it may be the cheaper option for the company, but initially with leave payouts, reemployment costs, training costs etc would be a huge financial burden on the company.
If done before they had time to implement any replacement strategies They would have no option than to seek to employ from contracting agencies.
A company that loses 30 ~ 40% of it's key players from the work force in one hit cannot function.
There is no option open to them to resource in that short period of time
If done before they had time to implement any replacement strategies They would have no option than to seek to employ from contracting agencies.
A company that loses 30 ~ 40% of it's key players from the work force in one hit cannot function.
There is no option open to them to resource in that short period of time
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QANTAS - Wake Up Australia!
QANTAS; just another corporate entity chasing profit at the expense of its workforce.
What’s missing within the QANTAS corporate rhetoric at present is the acceptance that there must be a balance drawn between the requirements of the employer and those of the employee.
The current management seeks the nirvana of controlling all costs to maximise business performance; profit. The nirvana is no balance at all. QANTAS does not control the cost of aircraft, fuel, airports, spare parts, etc. It’s only the workforce over which the company has any significant input to cost control. Within the current mind-set, as far as the management is concerned the employees are a tradeable commodity, an irritating fact of doing business that they’d love to do without.
Every employee in this country has a lot at stake within their continued employment; however it’s only shareholders that have the ear of management. Stakeholders are not recognised by corporate managements, regardless of the industry.
The Australian Dollar is now set for a lengthy period of stellar performance, a challenge for QANTAS and many other businesses and industries. The comparative cost of doing business with an Australian workforce is only going to become more skewed as time moves on. None of these circumstances however justify an attack upon Australian based employees, their conditions and continued tenure of employment. QANTAS management appears set to continue and escalate such attacks across its entire workforce, on the basis that it’s the only way to compete and remain profitable. The next best option is to find a cheaper workforce, so it’s off to third-world countries to have them do the work for you; export the jobs to Asia!
What the ALAEA is defending within the current industrial battle is the unjustified exporting of jobs. Without real justification, such action is immoral. The Pilot’s and Ground staff will be involved next, with a re-run of the same arguments by QF management.
There are tough times ahead for business managements and that’s going to require excellence in management. Alan Joyce and his management are going to have work smart instead of playing the old and tiresome game of industrial bullying, right down to the dated industrial rhetoric from the poison-pen of Olivia Wirth in the corporate communications department.
Wake up Australia!
Dragonfly
What’s missing within the QANTAS corporate rhetoric at present is the acceptance that there must be a balance drawn between the requirements of the employer and those of the employee.
The current management seeks the nirvana of controlling all costs to maximise business performance; profit. The nirvana is no balance at all. QANTAS does not control the cost of aircraft, fuel, airports, spare parts, etc. It’s only the workforce over which the company has any significant input to cost control. Within the current mind-set, as far as the management is concerned the employees are a tradeable commodity, an irritating fact of doing business that they’d love to do without.
Every employee in this country has a lot at stake within their continued employment; however it’s only shareholders that have the ear of management. Stakeholders are not recognised by corporate managements, regardless of the industry.
The Australian Dollar is now set for a lengthy period of stellar performance, a challenge for QANTAS and many other businesses and industries. The comparative cost of doing business with an Australian workforce is only going to become more skewed as time moves on. None of these circumstances however justify an attack upon Australian based employees, their conditions and continued tenure of employment. QANTAS management appears set to continue and escalate such attacks across its entire workforce, on the basis that it’s the only way to compete and remain profitable. The next best option is to find a cheaper workforce, so it’s off to third-world countries to have them do the work for you; export the jobs to Asia!
What the ALAEA is defending within the current industrial battle is the unjustified exporting of jobs. Without real justification, such action is immoral. The Pilot’s and Ground staff will be involved next, with a re-run of the same arguments by QF management.
There are tough times ahead for business managements and that’s going to require excellence in management. Alan Joyce and his management are going to have work smart instead of playing the old and tiresome game of industrial bullying, right down to the dated industrial rhetoric from the poison-pen of Olivia Wirth in the corporate communications department.
Wake up Australia!
Dragonfly
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The Chairman has this in his bio
Have a read of the "Money Machine" by Sarah Bartlett, that should make a few things fall into place especially regarding the failed buy out a couple of years ago.
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Australian Apathy
Australia is no longer a society or a community.It is an economy where all resources are competed for in an open market.That open market is global.The money chases the resources to the cheapest source.
Asia is where its at regarding cost.Particulalry the cost of labour.Qantas is simply following the trend.In the process they are destoying an entity that to many people is priceless.There are not enough concerned people to make a difference.The employees are concerned.Baby boomers are concerned.Any one born after 1975 probably doesnt give two hoots.For them there is no national pride,no emotional attachment to Qantas.Its show me the money and the newest gadget for them.Its not about next week.Its about today.Short termism rules.
Qantas management are concerned about their next bonus and not the future of the airline.If the business goes belly up they walk away with a golden parachute
Leigh Clifford is an advisor to KKR.Therein lies the connection between what is happening now and where the Big Qs future lies.That future is closer than many realize.
An exit strategy for employees needs to be well underway
Asia is where its at regarding cost.Particulalry the cost of labour.Qantas is simply following the trend.In the process they are destoying an entity that to many people is priceless.There are not enough concerned people to make a difference.The employees are concerned.Baby boomers are concerned.Any one born after 1975 probably doesnt give two hoots.For them there is no national pride,no emotional attachment to Qantas.Its show me the money and the newest gadget for them.Its not about next week.Its about today.Short termism rules.
Qantas management are concerned about their next bonus and not the future of the airline.If the business goes belly up they walk away with a golden parachute
Leigh Clifford is an advisor to KKR.Therein lies the connection between what is happening now and where the Big Qs future lies.That future is closer than many realize.
An exit strategy for employees needs to be well underway
Asia is where its at regarding cost.Particulalry the cost of labour.
