Qantas to start another airline offshore?
 

From today's Australian;

Qantas eyes Asia

QANTAS is considering starting a new Asian-based airline aimed at the business market in a move that would pave the way for more Asian-based engineering facilities. The plan is part of Leslie Grant's review of the company's international operations that is due to be completed by the end of the year.

The move is somewhat sensitive now in view of looming industrial action with its engineering workforce.

But the aim of the plan would be to extend the airline's reach into Asia and in the process reduce its cost base.

Intra-Asian operations are tough without a joint venture partner, given sovereign flight restrictions.

By linking the engineering base with the new airline, Qantas boss Alan Joyce could get around sensitivity over servicing Australian-based planes offshore.

The new airline is targeted at business complementing Jetstar Asia and based around A320 jets but with as few as 100 passengers.

Qantas is not commenting on the proposal, which is being considered for launch in the next couple of months, other than saying everything is on the table.

:rolleyes:

Another piece of the jigsaw? Is this the entity that takes delivery of the QF group 787's?

Another example of QF management leveraging off Qantas's success in order to ultimately, kill it?

.....an airline which would not be an 'end of route' carrier- something that Joyce claims is part of why QANTAS is uncompetetive and why airlines such as Emirates and Cathay have an advantage over the rat.

Perhaps there was more truth than was realized to Chasers version of the QANTAS choir when it referred to the 'Asian Kangaroo'

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The Kelpie

The timing is interesting. Just as the QF engineers ramp up their PIA and pilot's move closer to theirs, out pops a story about an airline/engineering base offshore. Leaked by QF perhaps as a scare tactic?

What would my great uncle Lester Brain think of this? I think he'd be happy....

After all he left QF to be the first GM of TAA...

All the rhetoric aside, is this airline genuinely finished in it's current form? There really is nothing to stop shell companies being created continuously is there? I feel sorry now for the guys who joined in the last batch of recruitment. It'll be a good 15+ years to FO in any city now with the possibility of a command dwindling by the month for good.

Very, very sad.:(

This from a Qantas Pilot mate of mine.
No wonder Qantas Pilots are wondering if they'll have a worthwhile career soon!



With this in mind, information has come to the attention of AIPA which purportedly indicates a deliberate intention of Qantas to outsource and offshore the crewing arrangements of Qantas aircraft (this is in addition to the current Jetconnect operations). These rumours include, but are not limited to:

1. Qantas applied for an AOC (Aircraft Operator's Certificate) in Malaysia;
2. Qantas applied for 5,000 seats per week out of Fiji;
3. Project Dragon, now apparently Project Darwin – headed by Lesley Grant – purportedly investigating the possibility of establishing a new ‘premier’ airline based in South East Asia. See today's article in The Australian);
4. Management is planning to establish a contract company for the purposes of crewing all Qantas and Jetstar B787s.

If one considers these rumours, combined with Qantas’ attitude outlined above, it leaves AIPA and its members with no alternative but to assume the worst.

Project Dragon
 

As Darrell Kerrigan once famously said:

Tell 'em they're dream'n son!"

Are these Clowns serious........a "premier" airline based in Asia?
Up against SQ,MH,CX:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Things must be getting desperate......after the foray into Vietnam,non purchase of the Tripler......this one will have to take the cake.

Whats the metal going to be called:

JETSTAR BINTANG :E

Its not planning it has already been setup, mainline will not crew 787's full stop

The Irish dude will setup the business class version of Jetstar. Next push more aircraft to the new and old Jetstar. Retire the B744.


Offer the the A380 Pilot's new contracts with Jetstar type salary. B737 b767 aircraft retired. Jetstar A320 A330 and B787 will team up with the old boys from the A380 who have signed their new pay cut deal or retire. New paint job and you have the new Rebrand Jetstar to Qantas then that will equate to the new low cost and business class Qantas.

See **** like this happens when a group of people walk around with their collective heads firmly planted up ones a...e......

Let us hope that the level of deception by the Rat and its bastard child to the Senate inquiry do not go unnoticed by the honourable senators.

Rarely has such demonstrably deceptive conduct been shown in Australian corporate history ( excluding James Hardie, but this is up there and possibly exceeds even that debacle).

Where is the corporate regulator when you need them, although even their track record is hardly inspiring and no doubt encouraging this type of behaviour by their inaction. Perhaps a change of Chairman will result in a need for some heads on poles rather than a political game.

Senators over to you and please show us you have the strength of character that the travelling public need at this time.

"mainline will not crew 787's full stop"

Yep, that EBA 8 sure was a s*&t deal, with all red tail 787 flying to be done under the LH award on 400 pay rates...

Well I immediately thought after reading this that Grant's review was nothing but a sham then. You guys still working there know what's needed, I know plenty of staff who know what's needed and I know some retirees who know whats needed to get QF back to where they should be and its not a new Asian based airline, its not an airline in Oz or Asia aimed at the bisiness market (don't that have that now called QANTAS ? ).

So no doubt she was given a plan by AJ & BB, told to go away and make it look like she was working on the publicly stated project :ok: but she returns 6 weeks later with the original plan provided by AJ & BB.

With this point, I have always thought that NAN could be used as a hub to get to points further east than LAX - maybe this would get Jet* there?

Management logic:

"There will be a few thousand refugees/illegal immigrants sent to Malaysia.....Imagine how cheap we can get them to crew the operation":hmm:

Major Airlines all over the world are consolidating with mergers seemingly the way to go.
Qantas management who are smarter than the rest of the worlds airline managers are creating new airlines to cannibilise each other.
How do I know Qantas management are smarter than most other Major airline management? They must be because they get paid significantly more than most other major airline managers.

Why is Leslie Grant still here? I don't believe she offers anything of substance to Qantas and this just proves it.

Lester Brain - now there's a name that should be used as THE template for setting-up and running a sensible airline. He was in charge of a new airline and responsible for fleet selections that blew the opposition out of the water. He clearly had wisdom and a passion for the task at hand.

These dunces that call themselves 'managers' now are a shambolic, self-serving disgrace. They are ONLY in it for themselves. Their bonuses and shallow ego boosting career moves are all they care about. They don't care if they run an airline or a sprocket factory as long as their wallets and egos are satisfied.

Sadly it the the icon Qantas that is suffering. Even more sadly it is the staff that are suffering. Staff that in many cases have been and will remain with Qantas far longer than the numpties running it ever will be.

How did it come to this.

Labor Governments.

12 years of the Howard Liberal government.