QANTAS AIPA 7.30 report
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QANTAS AIPA 7.30 report
So the first strike action by Qantas International pilots in 40 something years? And the best thing Qantas can do is roll out Olivia to speak on the Company's behalf?
So where is Joyce, Strambi? Bueller? Bueller?
Executives in hiding? Do they sense a management backdown? Should it just be Olivia who needs to update her CV?
So where is Joyce, Strambi? Bueller? Bueller?
Executives in hiding? Do they sense a management backdown? Should it just be Olivia who needs to update her CV?
Me I sense Mr O has laid another trap for you . Only my opinion and not worth a lot to you folk . Or is it ?
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Not the Oldmeadow boogie monster!
Mate if you seriously think that he has any tricks apart from extracting ridiculous sums of money from Qantas then you must sleep with a light on.
I know no one who even considers him to be other than another overpaid consultant who this time does not have the silver bodgie and the fat Jew to aid his cause.
I believe he is a major cause of the problems that Qantas face today. When you paint people into a corner and they feel they have no other option, what outcome do you expect.
Mate if you seriously think that he has any tricks apart from extracting ridiculous sums of money from Qantas then you must sleep with a light on.
I know no one who even considers him to be other than another overpaid consultant who this time does not have the silver bodgie and the fat Jew to aid his cause.
I believe he is a major cause of the problems that Qantas face today. When you paint people into a corner and they feel they have no other option, what outcome do you expect.
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Wirth was Wirthless talking with seeming authority on historical Qantas Industrial relations
I suspect Mr Joyce is putting his affairs in order before next Friday, he and Bruce have got some serious explaining to do.
CC reported they were tucking into P class on the A380 yesterday to Singas. Might be P block in Canberra Jail in a couple of weeks if they don't start telling the truth!!
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I suspect Mr Joyce is putting his affairs in order before next Friday, he and Bruce have got some serious explaining to do.
CC reported they were tucking into P class on the A380 yesterday to Singas. Might be P block in Canberra Jail in a couple of weeks if they don't start telling the truth!!
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yes , retired mmm but still connected , but know the beast you are about to face , still was not always that bad to us simple AMe's. Take Care , remember a certain ex PM his is best mate , who happens to be sponsering Mr Combet . Go think , if you can1
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It was a good article for the pilots, QF came across as hopeless, they commented on a pay rise but it was way overshadowed by the outsourcing of jobs. Almost looked like a semi backdown by the managers, Olivia has zilch credibility even Joe Public can see that she is a 20's something manager fresh from uni. Even made me slightly embarassed by her ramblings! lol!
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Really AofA?
The impression I got was it's about a 26% pay rise.
Stay on tune guys.
Push the message that this is all about Aussie jobs for Aussies working for an Aussie Icon.
Refute,refute,refute the Company's spin over the 26% pay rise, 'cos that's what's going to stick in the average joes mind.
About JetConnect, wasn't it President Jackson who agreed in writing with Qantas as part of EBA7 rollover documentation that the Association "recognises the role of Jetconnect"
Tell me this isn't a "shot ones foot off "moment already?
As for the EBA7 rollover, tell me didn't EBA8 the EBA that shall not be spoken off ,have an agreement that any aircraft ,including the 787 with a red rat on the tail would be flown under the Terms and conditions of that EBA.
As for the indecent haste President Jackson binned the Qantas Sale Act Case, a case who's very essence was the proving and hopeful prevention of Qantas and it's entities from off-shoring.
So President Jackson is in reality just playing catchup.
Get with the program guys you really need to get on top of your media game if you are going to have a chance to get your message across to the average travelling public.
I give it a fail from a media point of view for a first shot across the bows from President Jackson to Qantas management over the upcoming PIA.
The impression I got was it's about a 26% pay rise.
Stay on tune guys.
Push the message that this is all about Aussie jobs for Aussies working for an Aussie Icon.
Refute,refute,refute the Company's spin over the 26% pay rise, 'cos that's what's going to stick in the average joes mind.
About JetConnect, wasn't it President Jackson who agreed in writing with Qantas as part of EBA7 rollover documentation that the Association "recognises the role of Jetconnect"
Tell me this isn't a "shot ones foot off "moment already?
As for the EBA7 rollover, tell me didn't EBA8 the EBA that shall not be spoken off ,have an agreement that any aircraft ,including the 787 with a red rat on the tail would be flown under the Terms and conditions of that EBA.
As for the indecent haste President Jackson binned the Qantas Sale Act Case, a case who's very essence was the proving and hopeful prevention of Qantas and it's entities from off-shoring.
So President Jackson is in reality just playing catchup.
Get with the program guys you really need to get on top of your media game if you are going to have a chance to get your message across to the average travelling public.
I give it a fail from a media point of view for a first shot across the bows from President Jackson to Qantas management over the upcoming PIA.
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The alleged 26% pay increase needs to be strongly and publicly refuted...there will be no empathy and support from Joe Public if they think this action is being considered over what would be an obscene grab for $$$$$!
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First round to the pilots!
You came out of your corner strong; QF corporate, the best they could put up was a junior publicist reciting the 26% mantra.
Prove me wrong - state in the national press how you calculate the 26%, Qantas. Then let the pilots show how you are attempting to deceive the public.
Unfortunately it's the same game plan that we have seen before. When it's all over, there will be a few middle managers deciding 'to pursue other opportunities', a CEO and a chairman shown to have poor judgement, Qantas brand will be further damaged, and the general public will still prefer to be on an a/c with QF pilots at the pointy end.
You came out of your corner strong; QF corporate, the best they could put up was a junior publicist reciting the 26% mantra.
Prove me wrong - state in the national press how you calculate the 26%, Qantas. Then let the pilots show how you are attempting to deceive the public.
Unfortunately it's the same game plan that we have seen before. When it's all over, there will be a few middle managers deciding 'to pursue other opportunities', a CEO and a chairman shown to have poor judgement, Qantas brand will be further damaged, and the general public will still prefer to be on an a/c with QF pilots at the pointy end.
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Realy Aof A.
I had a couple of mates who have nothing to do with aviation watch the 7.30 report and got them to call after the event about what the media piece said to them "Joe average traveling public"
The response was as follows " It's just like the '89 dispute with Ansett pilots who were after a huge pay rise, what's it this time 26%?
No more starry eyed 28 yr old dreamer crying about a romantic
career in aviation of a bygone era.That won't cut it with the public today and will leave you open to company claims you're not in touch with reality"
Just a few points from 2 ordinary Joe's.
They didn't "connect" with what the Union had to say.
They are who you need to convince, not 2500 Qantas pilots.
Sounds to me like you need a better Media advisor.
That's assuming you actually have someone.
Better luck next time.
The Vox Pop from industry outsiders was Olivia Worthless won this round.
I had a couple of mates who have nothing to do with aviation watch the 7.30 report and got them to call after the event about what the media piece said to them "Joe average traveling public"
The response was as follows " It's just like the '89 dispute with Ansett pilots who were after a huge pay rise, what's it this time 26%?
No more starry eyed 28 yr old dreamer crying about a romantic
career in aviation of a bygone era.That won't cut it with the public today and will leave you open to company claims you're not in touch with reality"
Just a few points from 2 ordinary Joe's.
They didn't "connect" with what the Union had to say.
They are who you need to convince, not 2500 Qantas pilots.
Sounds to me like you need a better Media advisor.
That's assuming you actually have someone.
Better luck next time.
The Vox Pop from industry outsiders was Olivia Worthless won this round.
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bng , very good post , I agree with you as said earlier guys , be aware of who you are taking on Julia would love a good distraction , but as ever i am not in this, so your call .
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Eschew the Pay Claim
To show the Co. and public the pilots are serious about their jobs, simply drop the pay claim and concentrate on what's of the utmost importance, jobs for aussie pilots now and in the future.
The creative accounting they've used to arrive at 26% is all they've got. Take that away and they've got nothing.
It would also serve to avoid any misinformation that paints pilots as greedy silvertails.
The creative accounting they've used to arrive at 26% is all they've got. Take that away and they've got nothing.
It would also serve to avoid any misinformation that paints pilots as greedy silvertails.
I would simply ask the PR idiot next time
Q. So are you saying that a pilot on 200K will get a 52K pay rise?
PR idiot Answer; Ah....well....nooooo....but when you ummm add up the ummm all the extras ummm, well....
So its not really 26% is it?
Ah wellll noooo....but.....
Q. So are you saying that a pilot on 200K will get a 52K pay rise?
PR idiot Answer; Ah....well....nooooo....but when you ummm add up the ummm all the extras ummm, well....
So its not really 26% is it?
Ah wellll noooo....but.....
