QF Depressurization
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Yup.......you can blame political correctness OH&S and a few other methodologies of modern society for that
As for QF maintenance well I don't know what the stats are but I do know that the travelling public expect lower and lower fares, perfect service with 100% safety all the time. Somethings gotta give eventually!
Time for some reform in this industry.
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I am getting sick of commenting on the media's 'reporting' of anything related to aviation. It is getting beyond a joke - why don't they report on every single incident that happens everyday for perspective? They will soon realise how good and safe our industry is. Well done again to the crew.
And the passenger who said 'I didn't know whether to put on the mask' - there is a reason they play that safety video on every flight. It helps if you actually pay attention to it.
Mind you, some of the passengers seemed to be happy to take photos
. Funny how they had time to do that.
And the passenger who said 'I didn't know whether to put on the mask' - there is a reason they play that safety video on every flight. It helps if you actually pay attention to it.
Mind you, some of the passengers seemed to be happy to take photos
. Funny how they had time to do that.
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Tick,Tock.....Tick Tock
Who is going to get serious with QANTAS safety first, QF management or CASA.
Easter is not that far away, the hot cross buns are already in the stores.
Who is going to get serious with QANTAS safety first, QF management or CASA.
Easter is not that far away, the hot cross buns are already in the stores.
I can somewhat understand why some passengers failed to know whether to put on the masks or not.
Movies and shows like air crash investigation lead us to believe a decompression to be associated with an explosion and a gaping hole in the fuselage, things flying about the cabin, even the cabin filled with smoke, the plane going down vertically, passengers pressed to their seats.
With the masks just dropping and a descent around the normal time of descent, it is easy to see why some passengers were not sure, even if they had watched the demo.
I think the demo needs to stress that no matter what, if the masks drop, put them on, as signs of a decompression may not be obvious to passengers.
Movies and shows like air crash investigation lead us to believe a decompression to be associated with an explosion and a gaping hole in the fuselage, things flying about the cabin, even the cabin filled with smoke, the plane going down vertically, passengers pressed to their seats.
With the masks just dropping and a descent around the normal time of descent, it is easy to see why some passengers were not sure, even if they had watched the demo.
I think the demo needs to stress that no matter what, if the masks drop, put them on, as signs of a decompression may not be obvious to passengers.
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I read the stories and watched the TV tonight and thought how pathetic the reports were.
As usual, I think Crikey came up with something pretty sharp .
As usual, I think Crikey came up with something pretty sharp .
A cabin decompression on Qantas flight QF670 between Adelaide and Melbourne this morning pushed the terrorist attack at Moscow’s Domodedovo Airport off the top of this morning’s radio bulletins. This is not a great reflection on news values in the Australian media.
In Moscow in an insecure part of an airport, the arrivals hall, a suicide bomber has killed at least 35 people and injured more than 150.
But the news priority locally is a 737 with 99 passengers on board that lost cabin pressure. The Qantas jet did descend steeply, as per the standard operating procedures for such an event, to 10,000 feet (just over 3000 metres) while oxygen masks dropped, and the jet landed at Tullamarine Airport 30 minutes later.
No emergency services were required. QF67 was met by reporters, not ambulances.
The real story is that at Tullamarine, and almost every other major airport in the world, the arrivals areas are unsecured, as are most places in life worldwide where people gather.
That is the overarching evil of the Domodedovo attack. It highlights the impossibility of securing places where the public freely gathers.
If airports such as those in Australia tried to seal off the arrivals halls, the target simply moves 100 metres, maybe 200, to an underground train platform or bus station, or to a car park.
In Moscow in an insecure part of an airport, the arrivals hall, a suicide bomber has killed at least 35 people and injured more than 150.
But the news priority locally is a 737 with 99 passengers on board that lost cabin pressure. The Qantas jet did descend steeply, as per the standard operating procedures for such an event, to 10,000 feet (just over 3000 metres) while oxygen masks dropped, and the jet landed at Tullamarine Airport 30 minutes later.
No emergency services were required. QF67 was met by reporters, not ambulances.
The real story is that at Tullamarine, and almost every other major airport in the world, the arrivals areas are unsecured, as are most places in life worldwide where people gather.
That is the overarching evil of the Domodedovo attack. It highlights the impossibility of securing places where the public freely gathers.
If airports such as those in Australia tried to seal off the arrivals halls, the target simply moves 100 metres, maybe 200, to an underground train platform or bus station, or to a car park.
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Watched the channel 9 news with some bird going thru all the incidents that have happened over the past couple of years. What a complete joke and pathetic beat-up. I could have at least thought of a dozen more straight of my head.
While not commenting on the cause of this incident, does anyone know what the rate of cabin climb should be with the failure or switching off of all bleeds.
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I do not think it would be fair to say that it was just another day at the office for the crew. Although to outcome looks to be good. The stress levels on the crew will undoubtedly be very high. This is what we train for. What we do not train for is the management of the post incident stress. Not just the incident itself, but the plethora of processes that inevitably follow. This is a non normal and was a life threatening situation that was handled well enough to have a positive outcome. Well done I say. I hope they get back on the horse soon.
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"Life threatening, or get back on the horse aye". I somehow doubt this event was even close to life threatening. It was not an explosive decompression. Lets wait until the real story comes out until making gross over exaggerations like that!
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no mention, that i've seen in media or this forum, of the B738 (Geelong) that's been sitting on the ground at Broome for the last 5 days after a lighting strike on approach put a dozen or so holes in the skin...
but that's how we do it in the rugged NW..
tropical low is about to be declared TC Bianca and the surf will be pumping 2morro..
Happy Oz Day to all
cheers
Z
but that's how we do it in the rugged NW..
tropical low is about to be declared TC Bianca and the surf will be pumping 2morro..
Happy Oz Day to all
cheers
Z
short flights long nights
Just heard the QF spoke lady person on the radio saying "there was a short cicuit in the A/C system" ???
On a serious note..I had about 10 years ago a similar thing in a 737 300..lost one pack in cruise..and the other then tripped off in descent (at 15000 feet luckily)..maybe its a "classic" problem..one pack cant handle the load?
On a serious note..I had about 10 years ago a similar thing in a 737 300..lost one pack in cruise..and the other then tripped off in descent (at 15000 feet luckily)..maybe its a "classic" problem..one pack cant handle the load?
You know the only thing predictable about these incidents?
So called "Professional Pilots" on Pprune rubbishing the media's attempts to describe what happened in laymen's terms as well as the reporting of the understandable but unfounded fears of the passengers involved.
I can hardly wait to hear your "professional' opinions when there is an emergency evacuation and people get injured on the slides.
So called "Professional Pilots" on Pprune rubbishing the media's attempts to describe what happened in laymen's terms as well as the reporting of the understandable but unfounded fears of the passengers involved.
I can hardly wait to hear your "professional' opinions when there is an emergency evacuation and people get injured on the slides.
Sops:
I would have thought that the pressure differences (and load) across pack components would have been decreasing on descent, even with an intelligent pressurisation controller making the cabin "descend" a little quicker than the aircraft. Wouldn't it be more likely to fail on climb?
On a serious note..I had about 10 years ago a similar thing in a 737 300..lost one pack in cruise..and the other then tripped off in descent (at 15000 feet luckily)..maybe its a "classic" problem..one pack cant handle the load?
I would have thought that the pressure differences (and load) across pack components would have been decreasing on descent, even with an intelligent pressurisation controller making the cabin "descend" a little quicker than the aircraft. Wouldn't it be more likely to fail on climb?
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arn't the 737s maintained in Tulla by QF , so who is the finger going to be pointed at . Quick to point it at others eg overseas facilities . All quiet so far , wait with interest .