New Qantas Check-in and Bag Drop - Sydney
On the human rights of it all, prior to the 1900s it was generally recognised that people had freedom of movement anywhere, I couldn't be denied movement across borders.
Sunfish, I hadn't heard of that, but it would explain why recently in Victoria (as a P plater) I was 'waved past' by an RBT late at night when usually the police are very interested in P platers.
Sunfish, I hadn't heard of that, but it would explain why recently in Victoria (as a P plater) I was 'waved past' by an RBT late at night when usually the police are very interested in P platers.
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There was a "security expert" 
n tv this morning discussing this topic. He indicated that ID will be required again in the near future.
I do not understand why I should have to provide ID.
If I catch a bus, drive a car or catch a train I don't so what's the big deal about traveling domestically within Aus?
How about they get the joke we call security some what effective before introducing more useless layers.
Screw the ALP senator.
n tv this morning discussing this topic. He indicated that ID will be required again in the near future.I do not understand why I should have to provide ID.
If I catch a bus, drive a car or catch a train I don't so what's the big deal about traveling domestically within Aus?
How about they get the joke we call security some what effective before introducing more useless layers.
Screw the ALP senator.
If the security screening stopped people taking on illegal things (bombs, drugs whatever) onto the plane there would be no need for ID. I can see the point for cash purchased tickets to confirm the name in some way.
Say new ID laws come in .. and say that deters baddies from taking drugs by aircraft to Melbourne ... does that then mean there will be more drug runners on our roads ... in our buses ... and in our trains .. ?
If so, does that create any concern for the Authorities?
If so, does that create any concern for the Authorities?
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I do not understand why I should have to provide ID.
If I catch a bus, drive a car or catch a train
If I catch a bus, drive a car or catch a train
“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”
It would seem that history suggests what the US gets, we will too. Welcome to the new police state, run by the private corporate giants, enforced by governments.
does that then mean there will be more drug runners on our roads ... in our buses ... and in our trains .. ?
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The Australian Government is way ahead of the USA government in controlling "undesirable" activity on the internet. It is called the National Broadband Network and it is coming soon to your residence , at a cost, weather you want it or not. It is costing the Australian Taxpayer $43 billion dollars at a time in history when the Australian government has divested itself of almost all public owned infrastructure and services. The reason is clear. Who ever controls the Net controls the content . The main stream media is already in their pocket . Any threat to the masters must be eradicated.
The airports are now check points for the general public.Where you travel , when you travel and what you are doing travelling is vitally important to the Neocons as the TSA tapes on Youtube illustrate .The truth may set you free but first it will frighten the s%^t out of you.Enjoy free speech while you can.
The airports are now check points for the general public.Where you travel , when you travel and what you are doing travelling is vitally important to the Neocons as the TSA tapes on Youtube illustrate .The truth may set you free but first it will frighten the s%^t out of you.Enjoy free speech while you can.
Auto check-in can have fishooks
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Yes, it does now, but a few months ago a TV3 News reporter demonstrated that the system had more holes than a large colander. Amongst other things, it allowed somebody to print a second boarding pass (with a new seat allocation) for a person who'd already checked in. Free travel. Oh, and to make things worse, she checked in as Steven Joyce, the Minister of Transport 
Of course at the gate, the operator says "You're not Steven Joyce" (largely on account of the reporter being of the female variety). So the reporter says "Nah, I'm Joyce Steven, bloody computers, etc." and got on the aircraft and flew to Auckland.
You think that's bad? Don't worry, it gets much, much worse.
The same reporter then checked a bag in the name of a passenger she knew was already through security. There could have been anything in that bag, it was in the other passenger's name, and he knew nothing about it.
That got CAA & the Minister engaged, I can tell you.
'Security'? Yes, we've heard of it ...
Of course, it's all been fixed now ... they say.
I wonder if the version of the software in Australia has the same interesting features? Or has it been fixed too?
Edited to correct unbalanced quote marks.
Back from New Zealand following a wedding over the weekend. Auto checkin worked like a dream ...
Of course at the gate, the operator says "You're not Steven Joyce" (largely on account of the reporter being of the female variety). So the reporter says "Nah, I'm Joyce Steven, bloody computers, etc." and got on the aircraft and flew to Auckland.
You think that's bad? Don't worry, it gets much, much worse.
The same reporter then checked a bag in the name of a passenger she knew was already through security. There could have been anything in that bag, it was in the other passenger's name, and he knew nothing about it.
That got CAA & the Minister engaged, I can tell you.
'Security'? Yes, we've heard of it ...
Of course, it's all been fixed now ... they say.
I wonder if the version of the software in Australia has the same interesting features? Or has it been fixed too?
Edited to correct unbalanced quote marks.
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Didn't the Unions point out the security holes in this system prior to it's introduction?What was the response from Management?
More of "Safety is our highest priority"(after bonus substantiation of course)
More of "Safety is our highest priority"(after bonus substantiation of course)
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The Australian Government is way ahead of the USA government in controlling "undesirable" activity on the internet. It is called the National Broadband Network and it is coming soon to your residence , at a cost, weather you want it or not. It is costing the Australian Taxpayer $43 billion dollars at a time in history when the Australian government has divested itself of almost all public owned infrastructure and services. The reason is clear. Who ever controls the Net controls the content . The main stream media is already in their pocket . Any threat to the masters must be eradicated.
Governments are now struggling to control the masses and what they see frightens them. No longer do you have to attend a rally in some faraway state, just jump online and have your say.The internet is global and it creates a way for individuals to unite creating strength in numbers. The governments hate a crowd that cannot be controlled. Yet in reality they have us by the dusters anyway with the false and manipulated value of 'paper' money which is a farce, a federal reserve which is actually a non-government banking cartel which has pulled governments strings since 1910. And it is one of this centuries greatest snow jobs which is coming to a head, yet the majority of people go about their existence blissfully or arrogantly unaware or unwilling to acknowledge that a complete global meltdown is nigh.
Yes, do not fear the occasional drug smuggler sneaking his few ounces of ganja between states or the occasional fool getting busted for DD, big deal.
Scanning, monitoring, recording, disseminating personal details and so the list goes is all a ruse for tracking, observing and information gathering on people in society that pose a perceived threat to the government puppet masters.
Sunfish, I hadn't heard of that, but it would explain why recently in Victoria (as a P plater) I was 'waved past' by an RBT late at night when usually the police are very interested in P platers.
Please note that not all RBT operations use this technology. You will also see strategically placed unmarked cars on major highways and arterial roads from time to time - they are looking for unregistered vehicles or vehicles registered to drivers who have lost their licence, or don't even have one.
The use of this technology, if its coupled with train bus and aircraft ID requirements, gives a government complete control of individual movement. The Soviet Union had internal passports for this purpose.
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Internal passports is exactly what I have been thinking about Sunfish. The only other piece of the puzzle required is the one in most peoples pocket - the mobile phone. My understanding is legislation requires tower records to be to be kept by the mobile phone network operators for 7 years, enabling real time & historical tracking by triangulation. The battery needs to be removed to prevent this "feature" being utilized.
Roll on the police state.
Roll on the police state.
Qantas would not have undertaken the implementation of self check-in / baggage drop without a lot of consultaton between their security people and the Office of Transport Security. I think it will take a lot more than an individual senator and cops crying that the baddies are getting away to roll it back.
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Any "Illegals" (those without internal passports, or those that can't use their own "papers" for a variety of reasons) become the new underclass, abused by unscrupulous employers, landlords and whoever else can stick it to them. There will be a thriving black market in services and "protection" to these individuals.
Ask yourself the question, have your activities become more or less controlled & scrutinized over the last 1,5,10 or 20 years. Before you answer that think about the use of the tax file number, 100 point check to get a mobile phone SIM card, open a bank account amongst other things. Consider how many genuine physical cash transaction you actually do in a day. Basically every cashless transaction you have ever done is sitting on a database waiting to be mined.
As an example, I recently opened a bank account. To my amazement, my profile now includes all my details of an account I had closed in 1987, and I had forgotten I ever had.
Ask yourself the question, have your activities become more or less controlled & scrutinized over the last 1,5,10 or 20 years. Before you answer that think about the use of the tax file number, 100 point check to get a mobile phone SIM card, open a bank account amongst other things. Consider how many genuine physical cash transaction you actually do in a day. Basically every cashless transaction you have ever done is sitting on a database waiting to be mined.
As an example, I recently opened a bank account. To my amazement, my profile now includes all my details of an account I had closed in 1987, and I had forgotten I ever had.
