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Merged: Qantas and Rolls Royce Secret
Dec 04, 2010
Qantas is ready to sue the maker of its A380 engines, Rolls Royce, alleging new rules for its engines mean it can only carry 80 passengers across the Pacific in its Airbus 380s.
Qantas says it will sue Rolls Royce if the pair cannot agree to a settlement figure for losses caused by November's mid-flight explosion, the Herald Sun reports.
The airline filed papers in the Federal Court on Friday saying it bought the Airbus superjumbos because they could carry 450 passengers from Australia to the US.
But the new rules mean the superjumbo is not worth using on flights to the US.
Qantas, which began discussions with Rolls Royce this week, said it was keeping all options open to recoup its losses after its A380 planes were grounded and operational constraints imposed.
Qantas is fighting for damages and is also seeking a court order for Rolls Royce to fund a $1 million credit note guaranteeing against "uncontained engine failure".
In its statement, Qantas said although Rolls Royce continued to modify the Trent 900 engine, it failed to update 23 engines on Qantas' jets.
When the A380 engine exploded near Singapore mid-flight on November 4, only one engine on Qantas' jets had been modified.
Qantas was forced to ground its A380 fleet after the incident.
The airline agreed on Wednesday to undertake one-off engine inspections , on top of the mandatory inspections every 20 flying cycles that were imposed by an international airline safety directive.
Engineers suspect a defective engine part caused November's explosion.
The incident has cost Qantas tens of millions of dollars in lost earnings due to cancelled flights and restrictions on the number of passengers A380s can carry.
What New Rules?
Qantas is ready to sue the maker of its A380 engines, Rolls Royce, alleging new rules for its engines mean it can only carry 80 passengers across the Pacific in its Airbus 380s.
Qantas says it will sue Rolls Royce if the pair cannot agree to a settlement figure for losses caused by November's mid-flight explosion, the Herald Sun reports.
The airline filed papers in the Federal Court on Friday saying it bought the Airbus superjumbos because they could carry 450 passengers from Australia to the US.
But the new rules mean the superjumbo is not worth using on flights to the US.
Qantas, which began discussions with Rolls Royce this week, said it was keeping all options open to recoup its losses after its A380 planes were grounded and operational constraints imposed.
Qantas is fighting for damages and is also seeking a court order for Rolls Royce to fund a $1 million credit note guaranteeing against "uncontained engine failure".
In its statement, Qantas said although Rolls Royce continued to modify the Trent 900 engine, it failed to update 23 engines on Qantas' jets.
When the A380 engine exploded near Singapore mid-flight on November 4, only one engine on Qantas' jets had been modified.
Qantas was forced to ground its A380 fleet after the incident.
The airline agreed on Wednesday to undertake one-off engine inspections , on top of the mandatory inspections every 20 flying cycles that were imposed by an international airline safety directive.
Engineers suspect a defective engine part caused November's explosion.
The incident has cost Qantas tens of millions of dollars in lost earnings due to cancelled flights and restrictions on the number of passengers A380s can carry.
What New Rules?
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Is it any wonder that Joyce 'did the right thing' by grounding the a380 fleet. All that media spin that qf puts safety as a priority - yes it does but only when he thinks they won't be footing the bill!
Maybe as a strategy RR should establish how much the route was losing and counterclaim that grounding the A380 on the route is actually saving Qantas money! The accountants will love that one!!!
Maybe as a strategy RR should establish how much the route was losing and counterclaim that grounding the A380 on the route is actually saving Qantas money! The accountants will love that one!!!
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Didn't QF specifically select the uprated (72,000 lbs) thrust engines to provide sufficient thrust for the long range flights, ala MEL - LAX.
Also isn't it true that all that advertising from airbus regarding the efficiency of the a380 is ONLY if every seat is utilized, otherwise the seat/mile cost figure goes out the window!
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Also isn't it true that all that advertising from airbus regarding the efficiency of the a380 is ONLY if every seat is utilized, otherwise the seat/mile cost figure goes out the window!
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the 380 has to go. Was always the wrong choice for QF. Maybe emirates/singapore etc can make money from it, but QF never will.
If it cant be used on the US routes....whats the point. Sure, the PAX may love it, but im sure their love could be equally directed to a 777/787/748/whatever.
How will QF get themselves out of this one?? Probably by increasing the bonuses for AJ/BB/DH and all the other bastards that are screwing a once great airline. The pricks make me squirm in my seat every time I see them.
Rolls Royce...you're in some trouble methinks....
If it cant be used on the US routes....whats the point. Sure, the PAX may love it, but im sure their love could be equally directed to a 777/787/748/whatever.
How will QF get themselves out of this one?? Probably by increasing the bonuses for AJ/BB/DH and all the other bastards that are screwing a once great airline. The pricks make me squirm in my seat every time I see them.
Rolls Royce...you're in some trouble methinks....
Sorry 777 production line booked for x years due to every other man and his dog with the EXCEPTION of QF realising they are, atm, the most efficient money maker around, flying almost any sector length needed carrying freight also (oh yes, there is actually money in freight, even without price fixing!!!) And QF management all received a bonus ??? 
Not only can you not get them, but the 772LR is the only aeroplane in the EK fleet to make less money than the A345. If you were to wish for the 773ER you would be on the money.
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Rolls Royce to fund a $1 million credit note guaranteeing against "uncontained engine failure".
Trent 900 Build Standards
"A spokesman for Qantas said their (sic) were currently three builds or versions of the Trent 900, A, B and C. The incident on November 4 was in an A build engine, and all such builds have been removed from the Qantas fleet." - Ben Sandilands, Plane Talking website.
Does anybody know if Qantas is suggesting that they were not aware of these three build standards prior to Nov 4 ?
Does anybody know if Qantas is suggesting that they were not aware of these three build standards prior to Nov 4 ?
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
Maybe emirates/singapore etc can make money from it, but QF never wil
Originally Posted by Clear to Land
the most efficient money maker around, flying almost any sector length needed
Because cost of operating the asset is only one component of whether a market will deliver a return or loss...Just having a flash new 777 does not mean the market is viable and/or that asset is best suited for that market...V's failure it matching equipment to market...I mean - three class 777 on leisure based markets...what fools their route analysts must be to believe they could extract the appropriate yield on these "leisure" markets...
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As of Feb '11 V are out of the leisure business, three class premium to the US and UAE only. Massimo said that they should break even by mid '11, that's not only profitable but recouping all start up costs. Load factors averaging 80%+.
If I was in the Boeing sales team I would be asking around as to what deal could be arranged for some 773-ER's and see if they are able to punt Airbus out of QF all together. Dunno whether it could be done or what politics are involved but it is an opportunity to get your proven product in there.
Ernie you and I could have done that job for twice the pay and free Coffee. We will have to get in earlier with a bid next time.
Spare room is all organised for when you and the boys come on though this way again in the new year.
The Don
Spare room is all organised for when you and the boys come on though this way again in the new year.
The Don
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The QF A380's have a higher take-off weight than SQ or LH for trans pacific ops, hence the need for a further 2,000lbs thrust in each engine.
BTW. The QF A380's can only carry approx. the same revenue payload trans pacific as the QF B747-400ER's.
The QF A380's have a higher take-off weight than SQ or LH for trans pacific ops, hence the need for a further 2,000lbs thrust in each engine.
BTW. The QF A380's can only carry approx. the same revenue payload trans pacific as the QF B747-400ER's.
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Boeing will be very happy to have us all home when the time comes. I'm sure they can accomodate any delivery schedule we would ask of them given the state of the US economy and the fact that Boeing is one of the largest export earners.
The A-380 is a dud; built by a consortium of common market employees who have poor communication, no national pride and very little accountability for things when they go wrong, get over it!
The A-380 is a dud; built by a consortium of common market employees who have poor communication, no national pride and very little accountability for things when they go wrong, get over it!
Apparently Airbus is not a happy family on the factory floor.
A friend of a friend spent 6 months at Airbus a while back. Thers 3 nationalities in the factory. English, French and Germans. Apparently they all hate each other and wont speak to each other.
A friend of a friend spent 6 months at Airbus a while back. Thers 3 nationalities in the factory. English, French and Germans. Apparently they all hate each other and wont speak to each other.
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Nomorecatering - And?... you're trying to tell us, that the Boeing factory is one big happy, joyous, family? I seem to recall that most factory employees speak of their job in terms of... soul-destroying... general job unhappiness... friction created by working with associates from many different cultures... and their work lives filled with repetitive boredom, and constant unreasonable management demands, to do more with less.
Nothing new about the Airbus factory feedback...
Nothing new about the Airbus factory feedback...