View Poll Results: Would you willingly submit to full body scanning, should it be introduced?
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Body Scanners: Will you go for the genital feel up or the nude photos and a cancer?
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They are doing it all wrong.
The answwer is simple, get smoking hot naked girls to pat down the male passengers and smoking hot men for the girls. If your gay, join the other line up.
The terrorists will not be able to take all the naked girls and will go away.
Problem solved.
The Chinese think this whole thing is funny.
YouTube - TSA's enhanced security spurs US 'airport rage'
The answwer is simple, get smoking hot naked girls to pat down the male passengers and smoking hot men for the girls. If your gay, join the other line up.
The terrorists will not be able to take all the naked girls and will go away.
Problem solved.
The Chinese think this whole thing is funny.
YouTube - TSA's enhanced security spurs US 'airport rage'
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In the interests of safety I think it only fitting that as Aircrew I should be allowed to conduct my own 'enhanced pat down' on randomly selected individuals as they walk down the aerobridge.
Patent Pending.
Patent Pending.
Images saved and accessible later...
100 Naked Citizens: 100 Leaked Body Scans | Threat Level | Wired.com
At the heart of the controversy over “body scanners” is a promise: The images of our naked bodies will never be public. U.S. Marshals in a Florida Federal courthouse saved 35,000 images on their scanner. These are those images.
A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that U.S. Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida, courthouse had improperly — perhaps illegally — saved images of the scans of public servants and private citizens.
We understand that it will be controversial to release these photographs. But identifying features have been eliminated. And fortunately for those who walked through the scanner in Florida last year, this mismanaged machine used the less embarrassing imaging technique.
Yet the leaking of these photographs demonstrates the security limitations of not just this particular machine, but millimeter wave and X-ray backscatter body scanners operated by federal employees in our courthouses and by TSA officers in airports across the country. That we can see these images today almost guarantees that others will be seeing similar images in the future. If you’re lucky, it might even be a picture of you or your family.
A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that U.S. Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida, courthouse had improperly — perhaps illegally — saved images of the scans of public servants and private citizens.
We understand that it will be controversial to release these photographs. But identifying features have been eliminated. And fortunately for those who walked through the scanner in Florida last year, this mismanaged machine used the less embarrassing imaging technique.
Yet the leaking of these photographs demonstrates the security limitations of not just this particular machine, but millimeter wave and X-ray backscatter body scanners operated by federal employees in our courthouses and by TSA officers in airports across the country. That we can see these images today almost guarantees that others will be seeing similar images in the future. If you’re lucky, it might even be a picture of you or your family.
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No to the x-ray and then when they pawn me I'll report sick to work after physically being violated.
I have just flown the plane yesterday and will continue to fly the plane tomorrow as I have done for the past 15 years. I don't need to be groped to achieve this.
I have just flown the plane yesterday and will continue to fly the plane tomorrow as I have done for the past 15 years. I don't need to be groped to achieve this.
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At this rate the high speed rail will wipe the floor with the domestic aviation industry if it ever gains legs.
Airport staff 'exposed woman's breasts, laughed' | News.com.au
Airport staff 'exposed woman's breasts, laughed' | News.com.au
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as i posted elsewhere, what would security staff do if they go the full frisk and you had a banana (large) stuffed down the undies? maybe a male descendant of john holmes going commando through security?
close down the airport!!
close down the airport!!
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Excellent article in today's SMH by John Birmingham:
Government-mandated groping: the growing indignity of air travel
And how the Isrealies do real security:
The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother - thestar.com
Government-mandated groping: the growing indignity of air travel
And how the Isrealies do real security:
The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother - thestar.com
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Neither legal nor an eagle 
, but in the absence of more learned opinions...the rights and obligations of persons passing through a screening point, along with the actual screening procedures are specified by the Aviation Transport Security Act (Parts 4 and 5) and its Regulations (Part 4), as per the links below.
Like most Commonwealth legislation of this sort it's reasonably straight forward reading and does what it says on the tin. It's not like tort or common law where precedent applies, everything gets interpretive and it turns into Silks at ten paces.
ComLaw Act Compilations - Aviation Transport Security Act 2004 (8)
ComLaw Legislative Instrument Compilations - Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005 (SLI 2005 No. 18)
Basic 'rights' are covered by the Crimes Act 1914, such as periods of detention, arrests, right to silence etc. These apply to people dealing with Commonwealth officers, not contract security guards (say you get detained by the AFP). It's a more complex read but IMHO every Australian should be broadly familiar with its contents.
ComLaw Act Compilations - Crimes Act 1914 (12)
, but in the absence of more learned opinions...the rights and obligations of persons passing through a screening point, along with the actual screening procedures are specified by the Aviation Transport Security Act (Parts 4 and 5) and its Regulations (Part 4), as per the links below. Like most Commonwealth legislation of this sort it's reasonably straight forward reading and does what it says on the tin. It's not like tort or common law where precedent applies, everything gets interpretive and it turns into Silks at ten paces.
ComLaw Act Compilations - Aviation Transport Security Act 2004 (8)
ComLaw Legislative Instrument Compilations - Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005 (SLI 2005 No. 18)
Basic 'rights' are covered by the Crimes Act 1914, such as periods of detention, arrests, right to silence etc. These apply to people dealing with Commonwealth officers, not contract security guards (say you get detained by the AFP). It's a more complex read but IMHO every Australian should be broadly familiar with its contents.
ComLaw Act Compilations - Crimes Act 1914 (12)
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I think it comes down to - you bought a ticket this is what you agreed to. Its in the fine print. As for employees however it will be more interesting. Nowhere in my contract does it say I'll be fondled in the worklace or subject to radiation....
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In my opinion, the only way for crew, worldwide, to avoid this travesty, is to refuse to partake in the practice.
I wish I were 10 or 15 years older and in a position to retire.
I wish I were 10 or 15 years older and in a position to retire.
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I think it comes down to - you bought a ticket this is what you agreed to. Its in the fine print.
It's the Commonwealth government that instigates this stuff and the Commonwealth government that has to be fought if you want to oppose it. I'm not saying Captain Claret's approach is wrong (far from it) but the Office of Infrastructure or WTF they're called this week are the people to target. Given that all the airlines pay for this stuff (and it will cause delays and complaints) I can't imagine they're any more in favour of it than we are.
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I will insist on a physical search. I will ask to see the written material detailing how the test will be carried out. I will take my time to read that material and ask inane questions about the procedure and I will ask to speak to a supervisor if for no other reason, to p1ss the whole outfit off. If everyone demands the physical search, the system will very soon become clogged.
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Oh, for the good ol times when anyone attempting to feel your gonads got a smack in the mouth. My daughter, QF S/O is freaking out, her brothers, JQ skipper, and QF skipper, have told her that the retired armed forces medical people are doing the feel. Both have mostaches, both male and female, They are winding her up of course, (I hope) but can you imagine the feelings of both female tech and cabin crew. This is freckin crazy, when has a crew ever bombed a aircraft. Yes, the SQ skipper, committed suicide, and took all with him, but all you have to do is use the crash axe to take out the rest of the crew. Nuts.
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Meanwhile I got a lot of abusive PM's a couple of months ago about me asking about the right for me to refuse the explosive tests. How quickly it turns, I absolutely refuse all these extra tests and have succesfully the last 2 years. These full body scanners are an absolute disaster for my radiation footprint. I just left and went to the next airlines screening to avoid the bomb tests I will refuse all full body scans with a vengeance! We can win it we dont pussy foot arount, no pilots no planes move!
Think about it just do it its not hard you fools
Think about it just do it its not hard you fools
Re Crews refusing the screening.....
From today's AVweb;
"AIRLINE PILOTS RESIST NEW TSA PROCEDURES
Leaders of two unions representing pilots at US Airways and American Airlines have advised their members to decline to be screened by new advanced-imaging-technology full-body scanners and request a pat-down instead. "No pilot at American Airlines should subject themselves to the needless privacy invasion and potential health risks caused by the AIT body scanners," wrote Dave Bates, president of the Allied Pilots Association, which represents 11,000 pilots at American, in a letter to members. The new scanners produce ionizing radiation, which can be harmful to health, especially when added to the high doses of radiation that pilots already are exposed to on the job, Bates said. Mike Cleary, president of the US Airways pilot group, said the TSA procedures are "blatantly unacceptable," and the alternative pat-down procedure also has problems. Cleary said the pat-down process "has already produced a sexual molestation in alarmingly short order." More...
So, if ya'all get together and all do the same thing....
Where IS your UNION..??
Cheers
From today's AVweb;
"AIRLINE PILOTS RESIST NEW TSA PROCEDURES
Leaders of two unions representing pilots at US Airways and American Airlines have advised their members to decline to be screened by new advanced-imaging-technology full-body scanners and request a pat-down instead. "No pilot at American Airlines should subject themselves to the needless privacy invasion and potential health risks caused by the AIT body scanners," wrote Dave Bates, president of the Allied Pilots Association, which represents 11,000 pilots at American, in a letter to members. The new scanners produce ionizing radiation, which can be harmful to health, especially when added to the high doses of radiation that pilots already are exposed to on the job, Bates said. Mike Cleary, president of the US Airways pilot group, said the TSA procedures are "blatantly unacceptable," and the alternative pat-down procedure also has problems. Cleary said the pat-down process "has already produced a sexual molestation in alarmingly short order." More...
So, if ya'all get together and all do the same thing....
Where IS your UNION..??
Cheers