View Poll Results: Would you willingly submit to full body scanning, should it be introduced?
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685
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Body Scanners: Will you go for the genital feel up or the nude photos and a cancer?
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The reality is..
Breakfast, without naming the organisations all I can say is we have some of the weakest most corrupt unions on the planet. Have a look at our conditions for starters.
The line will be from union and company "experts say that there are no harmful effects off you go". I'll put money on it.
I'm going to go for the genital touch up. If everybody goes for this option the delays will get out of control and something will have to be done about it.
I couldn't give a damn about privacy when faced with the option of sitting down with an oncologist in years to come or even worse bringing a child into the world who has to suffer the effects of having intellectually challenged public servants working in our country.
The line will be from union and company "experts say that there are no harmful effects off you go". I'll put money on it.
I'm going to go for the genital touch up. If everybody goes for this option the delays will get out of control and something will have to be done about it.
I couldn't give a damn about privacy when faced with the option of sitting down with an oncologist in years to come or even worse bringing a child into the world who has to suffer the effects of having intellectually challenged public servants working in our country.
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Mr Hat, I agree with your sentiments on various "organisations". I'll also go for the squirrel grip over the X-ray too, this may make an interesting public spectacle!
However, I believe that crew will take it upon themselves to avoid the X-rays, no organisation needs to back up. If WE simply refuse it, take the genital grope & then are unable to work, the system will seize up. WE HAVE THE POWER, not them. We just need to realise it as a group. This is a line that simply cannot be crossed. The union/management can go to hell, I'll take my chance in FWA & the court of public opinion.
However, I believe that crew will take it upon themselves to avoid the X-rays, no organisation needs to back up. If WE simply refuse it, take the genital grope & then are unable to work, the system will seize up. WE HAVE THE POWER, not them. We just need to realise it as a group. This is a line that simply cannot be crossed. The union/management can go to hell, I'll take my chance in FWA & the court of public opinion.
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And if a female pilot or cabin crew member is pregnant and not yet aware? What damage to the baby? Especially going thru the camera regulary. This is opening a can of worms, which is probably unnessary, but could be dangerous to the baby and even to the mum to be. The whole thing is nuts regarding crew, when for Gods sake has crew blown up a aircraft? Management perhaps, but aircraft, no.
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As you all know I am not an airline pilot, but you have my support in any petitions or whatever comes out in the future.
I am not in favour at all......and I see the poll asked
The point is willingly.
On our recent foray to Oshkosh, it was in SFO at the end of a three week trip, BeachKing and Mrs Jaba managed to dodge it, but I was ushered into the time warp machine, unwittingly and for a moment thinking this was one of those machines that blast you with air and test for explosive residues. WRONG!
At no point did anything get explained to me about what it was, would I object etc. Now a once of dose is probably not going to harm me, but the fact I was unaware, no signage, and randomly subjected is somewhat pissing me off now the more I read about it.
Will not happen again i can guarantee. Want to physically check me for concealled weapons sure no problem, beats being nuked and I will know exactly what to expect.
Any of you guys who go through SFO regularly care to enlighten me on what the rules procedures and their obligation to explain anything at all to you?
J
I am not in favour at all......and I see the poll asked
Would you willingly submit to full body scanning
On our recent foray to Oshkosh, it was in SFO at the end of a three week trip, BeachKing and Mrs Jaba managed to dodge it, but I was ushered into the time warp machine, unwittingly and for a moment thinking this was one of those machines that blast you with air and test for explosive residues. WRONG!
At no point did anything get explained to me about what it was, would I object etc. Now a once of dose is probably not going to harm me, but the fact I was unaware, no signage, and randomly subjected is somewhat pissing me off now the more I read about it.
Will not happen again i can guarantee. Want to physically check me for concealled weapons sure no problem, beats being nuked and I will know exactly what to expect.
Any of you guys who go through SFO regularly care to enlighten me on what the rules procedures and their obligation to explain anything at all to you?
J
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TG - That's the point, what purpose is this to serve? The ILLUSION of safety. The current system, whilst not desirable is tolerable because we are asked to go along with the "story" for the benefit of passengers perception. The cost is usually one of time & frustration only.
However, when implementing a system with potentially real world adverse serious health consequences for multiple generations, or sexual assault to maintain an illusion, it's not going to fly.
Are all air-side employees going to be screened every time they pass airside? If not then this is a farce. What possible benefit in terms of actual safety could be demonstrated by squeezing or irradiating the testicles of pilots? Nil.
Think of the exposure for young crew (mainly FA's) both male & female who start in their late teens or early 20's. They may potentially be exposed 2000+ times prior to starting a family. But by then the implementers of the system will be long gone, absolved of responsibility & accountability.
Implementation of this policy would confirm the descent of our world into a fascist police state. How did it ever come to this? Take control back people, no one else is looking out for you, your on your own.
However, when implementing a system with potentially real world adverse serious health consequences for multiple generations, or sexual assault to maintain an illusion, it's not going to fly.
Are all air-side employees going to be screened every time they pass airside? If not then this is a farce. What possible benefit in terms of actual safety could be demonstrated by squeezing or irradiating the testicles of pilots? Nil.
Think of the exposure for young crew (mainly FA's) both male & female who start in their late teens or early 20's. They may potentially be exposed 2000+ times prior to starting a family. But by then the implementers of the system will be long gone, absolved of responsibility & accountability.
Implementation of this policy would confirm the descent of our world into a fascist police state. How did it ever come to this? Take control back people, no one else is looking out for you, your on your own.
Re the Reality Is............
Mr Hat...
But..........we've already got that situation, haven't we? 
It will be interesting to see if SLF sentiments are similar to the PPRuNe poll, which admittedly still has only a small sample, but it's showing (basically) 6% yes, 94% no.
I wonder how it would correspond to SLF sentiments if an they were polled to ask if they will willingly undergo legally sanctioned full body scanning and genital groping by airport security personnel, on the basis that it's been sanctioned by intellectually-challenged public servants in the name of so-called aviation security?
I'm also with Jaba here, and am 1,000% NOT in favour of the idea at all.
This idea at best showcases the idiocy of the bureaucrats who dreamed-up this bull**** in the first place in the the name of improved security, and at worst, showcases beyond all reasonable doubt the complete and utter mindless stupidity of the Member for Mascot for believing the bureacratic bull**** without a second thought as well.
....or even worse bringing a child into the world who has to suffer the effects of having intellectually challenged public servants working in our country.
It will be interesting to see if SLF sentiments are similar to the PPRuNe poll, which admittedly still has only a small sample, but it's showing (basically) 6% yes, 94% no.
I wonder how it would correspond to SLF sentiments if an they were polled to ask if they will willingly undergo legally sanctioned full body scanning and genital groping by airport security personnel, on the basis that it's been sanctioned by intellectually-challenged public servants in the name of so-called aviation security?
I'm also with Jaba here, and am 1,000% NOT in favour of the idea at all.
This idea at best showcases the idiocy of the bureaucrats who dreamed-up this bull**** in the first place in the the name of improved security, and at worst, showcases beyond all reasonable doubt the complete and utter mindless stupidity of the Member for Mascot for believing the bureacratic bull**** without a second thought as well.
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I assume those saying "No" are now waiting in line to have their private parts played with by someone who:
a) Has a lessor ASIC than most flight crew
b) Is nor a doctor or medically trained
c) and is not by chance staring in an adult film that happens to be filmed live every day around the country.
I'll also assume the fondling will take view in a private room and not in front of passengers including children.
a) Has a lessor ASIC than most flight crew
b) Is nor a doctor or medically trained
c) and is not by chance staring in an adult film that happens to be filmed live every day around the country.
I'll also assume the fondling will take view in a private room and not in front of passengers including children.
Mr Hat...
I don't understand that??? 
If you hold an ASIC it means that you've been the subject of a background check. There's no 'gradings' with ASICs (ie. lessor [sic] ones). You either hold one, or you don't.
I'm no longer aircrew Mr Hat, but I'm STILL required to hold an ASIC, and my security check was just as thorough as anyone else's.
I also don't see the 'No' votes as signifying any desire whatsoever to line up for a 'genital-centric grope' either. I think what the 'No' votes are actually saying Mr Hat is a firm:
'Stick it up your ar$e'
...to the brain-dead bureaucrats and Minister and who dreamed up this idiocy.
Federal government is rapidly overtaking local government in the stupidity stakes I think.
a lessor ASIC than most flight crew??
If you hold an ASIC it means that you've been the subject of a background check. There's no 'gradings' with ASICs (ie. lessor [sic] ones). You either hold one, or you don't.
I'm no longer aircrew Mr Hat, but I'm STILL required to hold an ASIC, and my security check was just as thorough as anyone else's.
I also don't see the 'No' votes as signifying any desire whatsoever to line up for a 'genital-centric grope' either. I think what the 'No' votes are actually saying Mr Hat is a firm:
'Stick it up your ar$e'
...to the brain-dead bureaucrats and Minister and who dreamed up this idiocy.
Federal government is rapidly overtaking local government in the stupidity stakes I think.
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I have mentioned some time ago, when Heathrow was carrying out a trial scanner. I was asked at security would I mind being scanned? I was and was shown the screen afterwards and it left nothing to the imagination, or would have shown up whatever evil deed I had in mind once boarded.
I guess the point is being asked if you would mind being scanned as opposed to oi you get over here and lets take yer piccy.
I guess the point is being asked if you would mind being scanned as opposed to oi you get over here and lets take yer piccy.
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I guess airport security will now become a magnet for paedophiles.
If Joe public can be convinced not to immunise their children they can for sure be convinced not to allow their kids to be exposed to this radiation. I imagine these types will flock to security for a job, just think they will get to grope kiddies "Legally".
As for the minister for Mascot, he reminds me of the straw man in the wizard of OZ..looking for a brain.
If Joe public can be convinced not to immunise their children they can for sure be convinced not to allow their kids to be exposed to this radiation. I imagine these types will flock to security for a job, just think they will get to grope kiddies "Legally".
As for the minister for Mascot, he reminds me of the straw man in the wizard of OZ..looking for a brain.
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I think what the 'No' votes are actually saying Mr Hat is a firm:
'Stick it up your ar$e'
'Stick it up your ar$e'
I also will not allow my underage children to pass through the scanner, and I sure as sh!t will not allow them to be touched.
Thanks Monopole... 
None of my children are underage anymore, but pity help the stupid bastard who tries a genital 'patdown' on any of them. Guaranteed response WILL be a Class 1 knockdown on the idiot who attempts it.
Same with me. I don't make threats, either. Nor does my wife. Pity help the stupid bastard who tries that with her!!
The airlines are going to be the 'patsies' in all this. SLF will start kicking and screaming at Australian government-sanctioned sexual assault when they get 'groped'. Who knows, maybe it will end-up with class-actions for psychological trauma etc etc...............Commonwealth, Minister, bureaucrats, airline, security provider, and (of course) the security 'goons' who did the groping all named as co-defendants in the ensuing court case.
Tidy little earner coming up for the legal profession I reckon.
Seriously, this proposal is madness, and it's time the government IS told loud and clear by the electorate, enough's enough, and:
STICK IT UP YOUR AR$E
Where's the popcorn?
None of my children are underage anymore, but pity help the stupid bastard who tries a genital 'patdown' on any of them. Guaranteed response WILL be a Class 1 knockdown on the idiot who attempts it.
Same with me. I don't make threats, either. Nor does my wife. Pity help the stupid bastard who tries that with her!!
The airlines are going to be the 'patsies' in all this. SLF will start kicking and screaming at Australian government-sanctioned sexual assault when they get 'groped'. Who knows, maybe it will end-up with class-actions for psychological trauma etc etc...............Commonwealth, Minister, bureaucrats, airline, security provider, and (of course) the security 'goons' who did the groping all named as co-defendants in the ensuing court case.
Tidy little earner coming up for the legal profession I reckon.
Seriously, this proposal is madness, and it's time the government IS told loud and clear by the electorate, enough's enough, and:
STICK IT UP YOUR AR$E
Where's the popcorn?
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SIUYA, just noticed the other day the security person had what looked like a restricted asic (not the red one). Found it strange that they were checking me and had a restricted asic/idcard.
I had tongue firmly in cheek for the post sorry. Didn't start the thread cause I'm in favour of it!!
Seems in US the option is to
1. Go through scanner or
2. Get the touch up.
I had tongue firmly in cheek for the post sorry. Didn't start the thread cause I'm in favour of it!!
Seems in US the option is to
1. Go through scanner or
2. Get the touch up.
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Mr Hat...no problems! 
Background colour denotes security access (ie area you're permitted to be in). Irrespective of access permission, if it's an ASIC, then it's still an ASIC for a security-controlled airport.
Many ASIC holders are non-aircrew and hold red-background ASICs because they NEED to.
Background colour denotes security access (ie area you're permitted to be in). Irrespective of access permission, if it's an ASIC, then it's still an ASIC for a security-controlled airport.
Many ASIC holders are non-aircrew and hold red-background ASICs because they NEED to.
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I voted NO!
That is NO to being exposed to a stranger in a booth and NO to be sexually assaulted by a stranger.
This idiocy goes WAY beyond overkill and WAY beyond invasion of privacy. There are enormous issues of civil liberties and abuse of power here.
The airline I work for is crewed by mostly Muslim female cabin crew. What about peoples religious issues? What about kiddies?
The pictures this machine takes are the equivalent of porn. The grope down is sexual assault - its that simple across the board and particularly where minors are involved.
The airlines have to say NO. Will they? To begin with I would suggest they won't - after a ****load of delayed flights maybe their attitude will change.
Forget the average pax objecting - they are too stupid - it wont happen, in fact is NOT happening in the US to date.
The morons who are attempting to introduce this technology should have THEIR children patted down in this manner and see how they like it.
That is NO to being exposed to a stranger in a booth and NO to be sexually assaulted by a stranger.
This idiocy goes WAY beyond overkill and WAY beyond invasion of privacy. There are enormous issues of civil liberties and abuse of power here.
The airline I work for is crewed by mostly Muslim female cabin crew. What about peoples religious issues? What about kiddies?
The pictures this machine takes are the equivalent of porn. The grope down is sexual assault - its that simple across the board and particularly where minors are involved.
The airlines have to say NO. Will they? To begin with I would suggest they won't - after a ****load of delayed flights maybe their attitude will change.
Forget the average pax objecting - they are too stupid - it wont happen, in fact is NOT happening in the US to date.
The morons who are attempting to introduce this technology should have THEIR children patted down in this manner and see how they like it.
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Wwhat do you mean its not happening in the US, see my last post?
To be frank, the idea of a near nude image, and its generally not quite but near enough, does not so much bother me, if its supposedly erased shortly after. Its the news that it may well be a pretty strong x-ray and frequent flying pax and airline staff are exposed up to several times a day.....and who knows? Are they wearing those radiation tags like radiologists have to? No!
The fact I was ushered into one against my will under a false impression (my own) and not explained what it was is to me a violation of civil rights, here and the USA. I am still keen to hear what the folk who transit SFO often think about the process etc.
I am almost pissed off enough about it now after reading this stuff to jump on a plane and go back there to "meet" with their airport TSA manager. And a lawyer, after which they can knock their socks off. If what I recall is common place there is some serious civil rights issues being abused by the TSA all under the guise of security. I am not against proper security, if you ask me to empty my back pack so they can Xray it or even search it, fine, but to Nuke me naked without my consent or knowlege is not acceptable any time. And that is what happened. I may have been tired and keen to get on a plane home, but I am not stupid. (maybe I was
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Wwhat do you mean its not happening in the US, see my last post?
To be frank, the idea of a near nude image, and its generally not quite but near enough, does not so much bother me, if its supposedly erased shortly after. Its the news that it may well be a pretty strong x-ray and frequent flying pax and airline staff are exposed up to several times a day.....and who knows? Are they wearing those radiation tags like radiologists have to? No!
The fact I was ushered into one against my will under a false impression (my own) and not explained what it was is to me a violation of civil rights, here and the USA. I am still keen to hear what the folk who transit SFO often think about the process etc.
I am almost pissed off enough about it now after reading this stuff to jump on a plane and go back there to "meet" with their airport TSA manager. And a lawyer, after which they can knock their socks off. If what I recall is common place there is some serious civil rights issues being abused by the TSA all under the guise of security. I am not against proper security, if you ask me to empty my back pack so they can Xray it or even search it, fine, but to Nuke me naked without my consent or knowlege is not acceptable any time. And that is what happened. I may have been tired and keen to get on a plane home, but I am not stupid. (maybe I was
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Gee, I would like to see the reaction of some of the pilots I worked with when they got a pat on the gonads. Probably result in a smack in the mouth to the patter, I suggest. I mean would not this job attract people with shall we say, strange tendencies, and as a father of both male and female pilots, I have rather strong feelings, especially about my daughter, being touched by perhaps some strange woman, with rather odd, um, ideas. My daughter being a happy healthy young hetrosexual female, is somewhat concerned about just how far they go, and by whom. It is enough for most of us being prodded and poked by the local quack, but in a airport??????? Before a flight?????? When you then have to work???? I cannot even imagine the conversation on the flight deck, after it all settles down.....God, I am glad I flew when I did!