Its Time Mr.Joyce
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Steve, I have never asked you a question. I've only ever stated facts!
Would you please go back to the 7pm Project and set the record straight.
Looking forward to posting all the info about the cockpit doors a bit later. (Hopefully in enough time to get another hit in the press tomorrow about it.)
So beatup, if CASA came out and inspected the doors only after the ALAEA made an issue of it, is it a non issue ? Is going to the media the only way for the authority and the airline to get stuff sorted out ? Why were the latches replaced by QL management who still hold a LAME qualification ? Why wasn't the sign off "latches inspected, all ops as intended per mm xx-xx-xx' ?
And the fact that 6 LAME's were stood down for reporting a defect, doesn't that just show what a great level of engagement is present in the Qantas group ? AJ would've known exactly the situation and has done what about it ?
Doesn't it just make a mockery of the whole major Qantas catch cry in engineering - "Safety before schedule".... Only when it suits.
When will Qantas management go on the 7pm project to explain why they stand down the staff that the government authority entrusts to certify for the safety of aircraft, the staff the company has entrusted for years to certify for the safety of the aircraft, all for writing up a defect which existed. It's disgraceful.
Steve has nothing to apologize for.
And the fact that 6 LAME's were stood down for reporting a defect, doesn't that just show what a great level of engagement is present in the Qantas group ? AJ would've known exactly the situation and has done what about it ?
Doesn't it just make a mockery of the whole major Qantas catch cry in engineering - "Safety before schedule".... Only when it suits.
When will Qantas management go on the 7pm project to explain why they stand down the staff that the government authority entrusts to certify for the safety of aircraft, the staff the company has entrusted for years to certify for the safety of the aircraft, all for writing up a defect which existed. It's disgraceful.
Steve has nothing to apologize for.
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Beatup ?
Hmmmm name Beatup ? Is that what happened when you were at school or what you do to yourself whilst looking at your picture of AJ in your wallet. You are obviously a Qf manager cause you're an idiot. 
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Ok Beatup, I will call you Greg from now on, don't ask why, I just think it suits. When Aircraft Engineers that I represent are threatened with their livelihoods I will take every opportunity to get that issue made public because it a bloody disgrace for any Engineer to be essentially told to turn a blind eye to defects. If you can't understand why, you shouldn't be reading the posts on this site.
You have claimed that I was not truthful on the box and your reason is allegedly this –
I did say that, or something close and it is 100% correct. They had unsafe flightdeck doors on the 19th of Oct and 7 of them were snagged by good LAMEs, here is one of the Tech log entries, the rest are similar -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/7htqm4ej
You may note that the defect was raised, and it was supposedly rectified. If there was no problem, it would not have required rectification. The rectification was carried out by a Manager. It didn't fix the problem but allowed him to look like he did something to sign it off. We will hear more about this later.
Now Qantaslink suspected we had some video. They didn't really want it released because they needed to buy some time before CASA got out to investigate with the Office of Transport Security. To scare the ALAEA off they send me this -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/42threatsj
I gave them an indication that I couldn't give a damn about their letter and knew the aircraft breached Aviation Security legislation. I spoke to the Head of that department and he threatened me with jail as well. I explained having aircraft with the doors in this condition is not a problem, unless you continue to fly them. They did. So we went public.
But they knew there was a problem, an EI had been ordered on the 21st and was ready by the 23rd. Here is the front page -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/jw22424748j
Are you still thinking that the doors couldn't be opened with paddle pop sticks or this was fabricated? It hit the news on the 25th. In response Qantaslink took action against the LAMEs. Here is part of one of their letters -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/71allegationsj
So there is a mad rush to get all the mods done in three days to make sure CASA and the Office of Transport Security see a clean ship. Here are a couple of pages from the workloads on them nights -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/g1workplan1j
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/6rworkplan2j
So what do CASA see when they get out there, well firstly my invitation was withdrawn -
And yes Greg you are correct, on the 28th of October, over a week after the incident was raised on 7 aircraft, a team of highly skilled CASA investigators found nothing wrong. Neither did the Office of Transport Security. What a surprise.
Now back to your question -
Answer - No. My facts are always thouroughly researched before I open my mouth.
You wanna play on this site, try as you will. I suspect (but would stand corrected) that my open publishing over many years has helped build some credibility. Its a different approach, but our industry is being torn apart by bean counters and pricks who will take our jobs at the drop of a hat in the name of short term bonus targets and at the expense of Australias oldest airline. I will do whatever it takes to ensure Ansett never happens again and I'm pretty sure there are at least 35,000 people behind me.
If you still wanna believe that little Irishman when he says my claims or stories are outrageous, don't tackle me here. You will always come off second best.
Cheers
Steve P
You have claimed that I was not truthful on the box and your reason is allegedly this –
You spun a good story on the 7pm Project saying that QantasLink Dash 8's had unsafe flightdeck doors which could be opened with a paddlepop stick. Your response to my previous post was that you said no untruths. Seeing you must be a man of impeccable integrity I can only assume that you don't know that the alleged flaws with the said Dash 8's has been fully investigated by a team of CASA airworthiness inspectors. This inspection found that there were no matters of concern, the doors are fully compliant with all safety/regulatory affairs.
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/7htqm4ej
You may note that the defect was raised, and it was supposedly rectified. If there was no problem, it would not have required rectification. The rectification was carried out by a Manager. It didn't fix the problem but allowed him to look like he did something to sign it off. We will hear more about this later.
Now Qantaslink suspected we had some video. They didn't really want it released because they needed to buy some time before CASA got out to investigate with the Office of Transport Security. To scare the ALAEA off they send me this -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/42threatsj
I gave them an indication that I couldn't give a damn about their letter and knew the aircraft breached Aviation Security legislation. I spoke to the Head of that department and he threatened me with jail as well. I explained having aircraft with the doors in this condition is not a problem, unless you continue to fly them. They did. So we went public.
But they knew there was a problem, an EI had been ordered on the 21st and was ready by the 23rd. Here is the front page -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/jw22424748j
Are you still thinking that the doors couldn't be opened with paddle pop sticks or this was fabricated? It hit the news on the 25th. In response Qantaslink took action against the LAMEs. Here is part of one of their letters -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/71allegationsj
So there is a mad rush to get all the mods done in three days to make sure CASA and the Office of Transport Security see a clean ship. Here are a couple of pages from the workloads on them nights -
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/g1workplan1j
Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/6rworkplan2j
So what do CASA see when they get out there, well firstly my invitation was withdrawn -
Gentlemen,
Apologies for not providing notice earlier today (Yesterday by the time you read this message).
I have been advised by Qantas that they do not agree to the attendance of the ALAEA at the inspection of aircraft tomorrow (28 October). As a result I am withdrawing the invitation that I extended to Mr. Purvinas on 26 October 2010.
We remain interested in a meeting with the ALAEA to further explore your allegations. I will contact you before the end of this week to arrange a suitable time for these meetings.
| National Team Leader- Investigations |
Office of Transport Security |
Apologies for not providing notice earlier today (Yesterday by the time you read this message).
I have been advised by Qantas that they do not agree to the attendance of the ALAEA at the inspection of aircraft tomorrow (28 October). As a result I am withdrawing the invitation that I extended to Mr. Purvinas on 26 October 2010.
We remain interested in a meeting with the ALAEA to further explore your allegations. I will contact you before the end of this week to arrange a suitable time for these meetings.
| National Team Leader- Investigations |
Office of Transport Security |
Now back to your question -
Would you please go back to the 7pm Project and set the record straight.
You wanna play on this site, try as you will. I suspect (but would stand corrected) that my open publishing over many years has helped build some credibility. Its a different approach, but our industry is being torn apart by bean counters and pricks who will take our jobs at the drop of a hat in the name of short term bonus targets and at the expense of Australias oldest airline. I will do whatever it takes to ensure Ansett never happens again and I'm pretty sure there are at least 35,000 people behind me.
If you still wanna believe that little Irishman when he says my claims or stories are outrageous, don't tackle me here. You will always come off second best.
Cheers
Steve P
If an airlines going to decimate its maintenance capabilities then surely it would make sense to operate new aircraft and turn them over frequently. Instead QANTAS have a number of ageing aircraft which require the very sort of skilled back up that they have got rid of.
Even newer aircraft still require considerable resources in the maintenance department especially if the type has been recently introduced and is unproven.
Not everybody wants to fly on a low cost or foreign airlines. QF can compete on the trunk routes within Australia and major overseas destinations if it sorts itself out.
Even newer aircraft still require considerable resources in the maintenance department especially if the type has been recently introduced and is unproven.
Not everybody wants to fly on a low cost or foreign airlines. QF can compete on the trunk routes within Australia and major overseas destinations if it sorts itself out.
After the best part of 40 years as a professional military and airline pilot, I would rather put my faith and trust in Steve Purvinas and his team of Aviation Engineers...rather that in a bunch of 3-5 year itinerant managers who are inspired and motivated only by short-term performance bonuses.
The long term health of any business or company does not really matter to any professional manager who may be able to flit from one company to another like a butterfly when things get tough or broken.
But, for those at the sharp end of an airline such as the aircraft crew and engineers, the health of the aircraft fleet and the true backing of the spirit of safety is very personal indeed. It means a hell of a lot more to us than some PR person or cash-motivated manager mouthing empty words of "We put safety first".
But, each and every passenger should reconsider his/her personal choice of who should be trusted and who may be telling the truth as the aircraft engines spool up for take-off.
The long term health of any business or company does not really matter to any professional manager who may be able to flit from one company to another like a butterfly when things get tough or broken.
But, for those at the sharp end of an airline such as the aircraft crew and engineers, the health of the aircraft fleet and the true backing of the spirit of safety is very personal indeed. It means a hell of a lot more to us than some PR person or cash-motivated manager mouthing empty words of "We put safety first".
But, each and every passenger should reconsider his/her personal choice of who should be trusted and who may be telling the truth as the aircraft engines spool up for take-off.
Steve P - that was just fecking brilliant. Please take that approach to the 7pm project and anyone who will listen, as it's the approach that will get you and what your members want/deserve!.
Don't be put off by the 'anti' union folk - expose this and you'll have every person who has put foot on an aircraft behind you.
The future of our industry lies in your hands right now - never before has there been such an opportunity to hang draw and quarter the bastards who destroyed it.
Don't be put off by the 'anti' union folk - expose this and you'll have every person who has put foot on an aircraft behind you.
The future of our industry lies in your hands right now - never before has there been such an opportunity to hang draw and quarter the bastards who destroyed it.
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Congrats Fed Sec on some great posts even showing the Executive Manager for what he really is.
This is only one of the reasons that I and many more have left QantasLink for greener pastures @ great cost to the airline.
Qantas should sack this pr*ck for threatening behavior and gross incompetence, over 35% of pilots left in 2007/8 and no doubt many ground and cabin staff as well.
Is this the sign of a good manager, I think not.
Then again his cost cutting and total staff disenchantment seem to be part of management philosophy within the airline, promote him I say!!!!
This is only one of the reasons that I and many more have left QantasLink for greener pastures @ great cost to the airline.
Qantas should sack this pr*ck for threatening behavior and gross incompetence, over 35% of pilots left in 2007/8 and no doubt many ground and cabin staff as well.
Is this the sign of a good manager, I think not.
Then again his cost cutting and total staff disenchantment seem to be part of management philosophy within the airline, promote him I say!!!!
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Beatup you just got beat up. ALAEA you just got a new member.
Forget management, high time for Purvinas to go. The guy just simply cannot be truthful! One fabricated story after another! Anyone hear him on the 7pm Project last night? Why would any media agency ever choose to interview him? Well, it is the media I suppose, Facts? no thanks, eyebrow raising story? You Bet!!
What simply amazes me is that Qantas no longer has the in house design ability to modify even a ****ing door latch!!
Doesn't QF management understand that if you outsource everything, then you can not produce a better, safer or more reliable product than any other customer that uses that same outsourcing outfit?
In other words, you can never, ever again claim product differentiation on the basis of having a superior maintenance capability.
To put it another way QF is now no safer (but not less safe) than BA and LH in regard to its engines, since they are all maintained in exactly the same way.
That automatically means the QF's claim to be "The Worlds Safest Airline" must one day be proved false.
Doesn't QF management understand that if you outsource everything, then you can not produce a better, safer or more reliable product than any other customer that uses that same outsourcing outfit?
In other words, you can never, ever again claim product differentiation on the basis of having a superior maintenance capability.
To put it another way QF is now no safer (but not less safe) than BA and LH in regard to its engines, since they are all maintained in exactly the same way.
That automatically means the QF's claim to be "The Worlds Safest Airline" must one day be proved false.
Thanks for the explanation of the timeline for the incident Steve. You have answered my question on whether CASA inspected a "fixed" door or not.
If Management had any credibility on this issue, they would have allowed CASA and Security to inspect a unmodified door. That would have been the true test of their convictions.
Look forward to hearing you on TV and radio again soon.
To any of the Sunstate Engineers reading this post, you have my support. Stay true and put your faith in the Bexley boys and girls. I am sure they will support you in this until a satisfactory resolution is found with all the resources the ALAEA can muster.
Steve, these guys will be under some stress, please make it as quick as possible for such as resolution so they can get back on track with their lives. If you need a fighting fund just put the word out.
If Management had any credibility on this issue, they would have allowed CASA and Security to inspect a unmodified door. That would have been the true test of their convictions.
Look forward to hearing you on TV and radio again soon.
To any of the Sunstate Engineers reading this post, you have my support. Stay true and put your faith in the Bexley boys and girls. I am sure they will support you in this until a satisfactory resolution is found with all the resources the ALAEA can muster.
Steve, these guys will be under some stress, please make it as quick as possible for such as resolution so they can get back on track with their lives. If you need a fighting fund just put the word out.
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SP this needs a bigger forum and one with some clout like 4 corners.
ACA and TT have a big audience but lack the gravitas of 4 corners.I'm sure there are decent journo's out there right now looking for good story.
Mark Colvin from the ABC did a piece on qantas maintenance years ago, maybe him?
I am sickened by what I have just read.Utterly disgusted.
ACA and TT have a big audience but lack the gravitas of 4 corners.I'm sure there are decent journo's out there right now looking for good story.
Mark Colvin from the ABC did a piece on qantas maintenance years ago, maybe him?
I am sickened by what I have just read.Utterly disgusted.
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Why then, hasn’t Lufthansa grounded its A380’s for engine inspection/engine change.
If 'QF is now no safer (but not less safe) than BA and LH in regard to its engines, since they are all maintained in exactly the same way.'