VA EBA ???
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While everyones' mouths are dropping at the figures put on the table, what I'm astonished at is the fact that when HR were queried on what the company's expectations were for productivity/hours worked by the pilot group in return for these figures, their response was "38 hour week."
In other words, the people representing HR and the company in these negotiations simply have no concept of the working hours and environment of a professional pilot. If we're going to go down that path, does this mean we should now be pushing for time-and-a-half pay for weekends? How about double-time for public holidays too? Or are we now going to close down over Christmas and Easter?!?
In other words, the people representing HR and the company in these negotiations simply have no concept of the working hours and environment of a professional pilot. If we're going to go down that path, does this mean we should now be pushing for time-and-a-half pay for weekends? How about double-time for public holidays too? Or are we now going to close down over Christmas and Easter?!?
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Seems the global aviation industry is emerging from the GFC.
The latest inbox missive includes a mix of jobs for Line Capts, F/o's, Trainers and Examiners with B777 experience. The airlines include Asiana, Korean, Vietnam and someone in India.
Singapore and China are accepting non-type rated B744 drivers to haul cargo.
And let's not forget the opportunities in the Middle East.
It's about to get interesting...
The latest inbox missive includes a mix of jobs for Line Capts, F/o's, Trainers and Examiners with B777 experience. The airlines include Asiana, Korean, Vietnam and someone in India.
Singapore and China are accepting non-type rated B744 drivers to haul cargo.
And let's not forget the opportunities in the Middle East.
It's about to get interesting...
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George,
VA FOs are on a base of $123k + bonus (ave about $3k) + 12% super and the company supplies the type rating. Not quite Qantas, but better than Jetstar.
Although the EBA proposal is crap, I think that some aspects will be seriously considered. In along way management is relying on the pilot group recognising that there is some thing it it for most existing crew:
Remembering that super will go down to 9% so will be less attractive than initially appears.
For existing crew, it could represent a very slight improvement. For the crew that are subsequently employed, it is retrograde. A combined VB/VA EBA would probably mean that there is no career path for the VA FOs. For that reason, a joint EBA would not be supported by that (crucial) group.
Enhanced conditions gained by way of a joint EBA will have to facilitate a career path for current VA FOs into command positions on the B777, in accordance to what was offered to them at initial interview.
VA FOs are on a base of $123k + bonus (ave about $3k) + 12% super and the company supplies the type rating. Not quite Qantas, but better than Jetstar.
Although the EBA proposal is crap, I think that some aspects will be seriously considered. In along way management is relying on the pilot group recognising that there is some thing it it for most existing crew:
- CFOs get a payscale up to $80k.
- FO get up to $150k and will have a career path onto the B777
- Captains will have the prospect of up to $225k.
Remembering that super will go down to 9% so will be less attractive than initially appears.
For existing crew, it could represent a very slight improvement. For the crew that are subsequently employed, it is retrograde. A combined VB/VA EBA would probably mean that there is no career path for the VA FOs. For that reason, a joint EBA would not be supported by that (crucial) group.
Enhanced conditions gained by way of a joint EBA will have to facilitate a career path for current VA FOs into command positions on the B777, in accordance to what was offered to them at initial interview.
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If any existing 'V' crew member even considers this ridiculous 'offer' then they really are as silly as management hopes.
Sit down and do some simple sums based on something like 2 years as a cruiser then another 5 years to a command, you will see based on going back to level 1 with each 'promotion' it will take many many years to re-coup your losses based even on todays miserable package.
The only person that MAY benefit slightly is an existing cruiser who hopes to 'move' to VB in a year or so and if thats the case ask the poor existing cruisers who have been well and truly screwed by the existing system and have been considered 'not worthy' of an f/o slot in VB despite having 1000's of hours,but hey go back to 'V' because you are good enough for that job.
The offer is CRAP and should be treated as such.
Sit down and do some simple sums based on something like 2 years as a cruiser then another 5 years to a command, you will see based on going back to level 1 with each 'promotion' it will take many many years to re-coup your losses based even on todays miserable package.
The only person that MAY benefit slightly is an existing cruiser who hopes to 'move' to VB in a year or so and if thats the case ask the poor existing cruisers who have been well and truly screwed by the existing system and have been considered 'not worthy' of an f/o slot in VB despite having 1000's of hours,but hey go back to 'V' because you are good enough for that job.
The offer is CRAP and should be treated as such.
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That cuts both ways tho Timewise. There were several good captains at VB who wanted to go over, some with 777 time who were also told "not suitable", but "you're welcome to stay on the 737" Go figure.
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Why do pilots refer to superanuation contributions as being additional to their salary. As far as I Know they are not. If you get anything over what is legally mandated then mention that, not what you would be getting anyway.
It's not a criticism of anyone in particular, you see it in all threads re pilots wages, be it QF, JQ, VB or TT.
It's not a criticism of anyone in particular, you see it in all threads re pilots wages, be it QF, JQ, VB or TT.
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Why do pilots refer to superanuation contributions as being additional to their salary
I've worked for VB for a looooooong time. Didn't stick my hand up for the tripler because as previously mentioned, "it's a **** sandwich." We all wondered why the head of HR survived the purge, now we know. I would hazard a guess that as soon as T####r screws over all the different work groups over the next few years, running his black ops style negotiation, then he will cop his bonus and either leave or be pushed. This move by management with regards to the VA EBA in their opinion is brilliant I'm sure. The SFO's and FO's are trapped here. Most have left good paying legacy jobs, albeit overseas jobs, and come home for some of the worst conditions in the world. Now, they will vote this in because they desperately need the job, they cant go back. The conditions may improve slightly through negotiation but not much. Reaping what has been sown, I suppose. Just hope our EBA goes better.
Now, they will vote this in because they desperately need the job, they cant go back.
I would suggest that it continually gets voted down until such stage as it is taken to FWA or Protected Industrial Action is granted by the commission.
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AIPA
I agree with you guys, but thought you may need to hear this = heaps of VA crews (pilots) have joined AIPA! 
(no, not VIPA)
They have a tad more experience with EBA's but equally important, if your "in the sh-t" whilst OS they will help.
PCP
(no, not VIPA)They have a tad more experience with EBA's but equally important, if your "in the sh-t" whilst OS they will help.
PCP
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Why join AIPA anyway ? All the pilots are spineless desperate jerks who have received their punishment for cowardness in the form of low salary and crud conditions. You reap what you sew you clowns.I left this outfit before pilot conditions eroded and I started flying for a real airline when I saw the writing on the wall. Enjoy your pay as it will only get less over time as you gutlessly fold at every bargaining session from now until eternity. If you even had a half a spine you would stick together but that is not the Virgin way is it ? You all think of yourselves, and bend over and take a fulllength from management on every possible occasion. I love talking to some of you and hearing stories of you working two jobs, losing houses and having to putyour kids into public schools. I love it, how absolutely justified, oh how you cry for the goodold days when flying got you laid and got you a house at Ascot, now you cant get laid at Inala and you are in debt for house at Woodridge.
Im off to Costarica now for a milk run and top dollar with two bludge days in between sectors, Reap it losers.
Im off to Costarica now for a milk run and top dollar with two bludge days in between sectors, Reap it losers.
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Virgin Musthave says
Yes i don't work for them (VA) or know who this clown is.
But come on moderators, time to do something useful for once. People this bitter, nasty and inciting anger should be banned. Get on it.
Pathetic Musthave ! lets be happy about people who may be doing it tough.
You may have done well Goose Stepping through Poland in the 40's.
I love talking to some of you and hearing stories of you working two jobs, losing houses and having to put your kids into public schools. I love it, how absolutely justified
But come on moderators, time to do something useful for once. People this bitter, nasty and inciting anger should be banned. Get on it.
Pathetic Musthave ! lets be happy about people who may be doing it tough.
You may have done well Goose Stepping through Poland in the 40's.
