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PA, there hasn't been a release to the pilots yet with actual fiqures. Also only around 35% of VA pilots belong to VIPA or AFAP and that says something, and of those only a handfull are really doing anything to promote their conditions. The AFAP have meeting scheduled re this at various cities.
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PammyAnderson So no one in VA brave enough to say what the company offer was hey???
EBA-time is a time for playing your cards wisely and VIPA and AFAP members will be kept abreast through union briefings. If you have an actual interest in the outcome of the VA EBA-negotiations and you're NOT a member of either union, you bloody well DESERVE to be kept in the dark. I can't be any more blunt about that. If you're a V Australia flight crew member and STILL not a union member - get off you're arse - call your preferred union and register as a member, and in return you will receive the acceptance of your peers, protection if you f#$k something up and experienced negotiators going to bat for your terms and conditions at this critical time.
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In a nut shell,
Super 9%
10 Days off in 28
Salary
From the first full pay period after 1 July 2011 , the following salary structure will be implemented.
Level CRFO...SFO...CAPT
1 $60,000 $90,000 $160,000
2 $65,000 $98,000 $166,000
3 $70,000 $195,000 $172,000
4 $75,000 $112,00 $179,000
5 $80,000 $119,000 $186,000
Level SFO.....CAPT
6. $126,000 $193,000
7. $132,000 $201,000
8. $138,000 $209,000
9 $144,000 $217,000
10 $150,000 $225,000
Basically the deal is this, if you are currently employed by VA you will come in at level 3 for a CRFO and level 7 SFO/Capt, the clincher is this, when your upgraded or if you are a new recruit, you will fall back to level 1. i.e. a SFO get’s a command in 2 years, will fall into level 1 command pay =$160,000 a $10K pay rise……………
Annual leave is based on 42 Days
Overtime to be discussed
Cancel accommodation $80
URTI = 10 Days
Career Progression (to be inserted)
No own way travel
Allowances Time Period Ammount
Breakfast 0600-0800 ......$25,00
Lunch 1200-1400 ...........$35.55
Dinner 1800-2200 ...........$49.50
Incidentals For each 24hr period $24.05
I for one will be voting for an application to the powers that be for a "stop work" approval. Enough is enough, months of talks and the company put this forward. Only a few weeks ago JB asked for our assistance in helping him fix internal issues to do with moral an general management problems that have surfaced from the Gallop survey, and now this, just a few weeks out from the holiday season
Apparently VIPA walked out on talks last week, and the AFAP stayed on until the end, both have put out memos, asking member for a get together and chat next month.
I see a $H!t storm on the horizon.
Sorry pprune dosent seem to like tabs and spaces so pay structure a bit hard to understand in more ways than one.
Super 9%
10 Days off in 28
Salary
From the first full pay period after 1 July 2011 , the following salary structure will be implemented.
Level CRFO...SFO...CAPT
1 $60,000 $90,000 $160,000
2 $65,000 $98,000 $166,000
3 $70,000 $195,000 $172,000
4 $75,000 $112,00 $179,000
5 $80,000 $119,000 $186,000
Level SFO.....CAPT
6. $126,000 $193,000
7. $132,000 $201,000
8. $138,000 $209,000
9 $144,000 $217,000
10 $150,000 $225,000
Basically the deal is this, if you are currently employed by VA you will come in at level 3 for a CRFO and level 7 SFO/Capt, the clincher is this, when your upgraded or if you are a new recruit, you will fall back to level 1. i.e. a SFO get’s a command in 2 years, will fall into level 1 command pay =$160,000 a $10K pay rise……………
Annual leave is based on 42 Days
Overtime to be discussed
Cancel accommodation $80
URTI = 10 Days
Career Progression (to be inserted)
No own way travel
Allowances Time Period Ammount
Breakfast 0600-0800 ......$25,00
Lunch 1200-1400 ...........$35.55
Dinner 1800-2200 ...........$49.50
Incidentals For each 24hr period $24.05
I for one will be voting for an application to the powers that be for a "stop work" approval. Enough is enough, months of talks and the company put this forward. Only a few weeks ago JB asked for our assistance in helping him fix internal issues to do with moral an general management problems that have surfaced from the Gallop survey, and now this, just a few weeks out from the holiday season
Apparently VIPA walked out on talks last week, and the AFAP stayed on until the end, both have put out memos, asking member for a get together and chat next month.
I see a $H!t storm on the horizon.
Sorry pprune dosent seem to like tabs and spaces so pay structure a bit hard to understand in more ways than one.
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O yes and VIPA walked out on talks last week, and the AFAP stayed on until the end, both have put out memos, asking member for a get together and chat next month.
And that's all I have to say about that.
The Bunglerat
I think you need to get the facts correct with regard to the VA EBA and Vipa. Vipa appear to be ill prepared. Both unions have called for breaks etc. If you call that walking out then both sides have done it. And no, I dont believe any union has left the other alone with the company. But lets not let the facts get in the way... after all it is a rumour network.
I think you need to get the facts correct with regard to the VA EBA and Vipa. Vipa appear to be ill prepared. Both unions have called for breaks etc. If you call that walking out then both sides have done it. And no, I dont believe any union has left the other alone with the company. But lets not let the facts get in the way... after all it is a rumour network.
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Voz1
As you already probably know a VB 737 Capt will be on $190,334 on the 1 July 2011.
Taking into account our overtime payments/day off payments/rostering principles and lifestyle they are offering a **** sandwich for the 777 operation and they know it.
As you already probably know a VB 737 Capt will be on $190,334 on the 1 July 2011.
Taking into account our overtime payments/day off payments/rostering principles and lifestyle they are offering a **** sandwich for the 777 operation and they know it.
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Voz1
I think you have delusions of grandeur for Level 3 SFO salaries!
That is what it should be at, but you know who continue the race to the bottom for conditions, it is a neck and neck race and the good oil is on them taking the cup!
Onya
I think you have delusions of grandeur for Level 3 SFO salaries!
1 $60,000 $90,000 $160,000
2 $65,000 $98,000 $166,000
3 $70,000 $195,000 $172,000
4 $75,000 $112,00 $179,000
2 $65,000 $98,000 $166,000
3 $70,000 $195,000 $172,000
4 $75,000 $112,00 $179,000
Onya
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Holly S*itballs !!!! No wonder some wanted to keep it quiet.
What a disgraceful offer. A pay cut for new captains ! WTF !
I really hope you all band together and through this back at them and hard...
What a disgraceful offer. A pay cut for new captains ! WTF !
I really hope you all band together and through this back at them and hard...
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Pammy,
Can nearly guarantee that they won't band together.
After all that is how they got in - individual contracts and every 'man' for them self. What would make them change their attitude now - even when the thrill of flying the big new jet has worn off. As they say 'the thrill has gone'.
Conditions for international airline pilots - I don't think so. Conditions are so low they should be driving a submarine!
Can nearly guarantee that they won't band together.
After all that is how they got in - individual contracts and every 'man' for them self. What would make them change their attitude now - even when the thrill of flying the big new jet has worn off. As they say 'the thrill has gone'.
Conditions for international airline pilots - I don't think so. Conditions are so low they should be driving a submarine!
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One thing has become quite clear throught these discussions, the CURRENT AFAP is in bed with VB management.
If your going to make that kind of claim on a public forum, at least back it up with some substance.
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I have just read the AFAP memo as well. It certainly does not suggest an organization in bed with the company, quite the opposite in fact. Yet another accusation based on utter rubbish. For Christ sake yet your facts straight before posting such rot!
This is very disapointing $160 for 777 command upgrade. PB pay more than that.
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PBN says:
Not when you convert it to OZ dollars from Hobbit dollars. Is more like A120.
But either way both pays are woeful...
WTF!!!!!! This is very disapointing $160 for 777 command upgrade. PB pay more than that.
But either way both pays are woeful...
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At least we know now why 'our saviour' Mr Borgehetti kept that D**k as the head of the HR dept, is that what they term 'good guy' 'bad guy' ? JB don't ask your staff for any more favours when the S**t hits the fan again if you are going to offer this sort of Garbage and as far as Va senior flight management you should hang your heads in shame if you are support this nonsense.
Mr Hat. and ors
In no way seeking to undermine the fundemental right of every worker to extract the maximum available, I think a reality check is in order.
The published figures, for Captains, is considerably in excess of that on offer in many contracts around the world.
Lowest paid international widebody's in Australia, most emphatically YES. Lowest in the world, not by a long shot.
A bit of research is in order before making wild unsubstantiated claims.
In the meantime, go your hardest guys. Get whatever the market will bear. That is your right, and your obligation to the fraternity.
Maui
In no way seeking to undermine the fundemental right of every worker to extract the maximum available, I think a reality check is in order.
The published figures, for Captains, is considerably in excess of that on offer in many contracts around the world.
Lowest paid international widebody's in Australia, most emphatically YES. Lowest in the world, not by a long shot.
A bit of research is in order before making wild unsubstantiated claims.
In the meantime, go your hardest guys. Get whatever the market will bear. That is your right, and your obligation to the fraternity.
Maui
