Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Merged: Joe Eakins: Brave?....or....

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Merged: Joe Eakins: Brave?....or....

Old 11th Oct 2010, 03:28
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Roguesville, cloud cuckooland
Posts: 1,178
Merged: Joe Eakins: Brave?....or....

Pilots In Legal Action Against Jetstar

Regardless of my sympathy for the viewpoint, I wonder if this was a good move on the part of the author?

I guess we are all entitled to an opinion.
Capt Kremin is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 03:50
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: All at sea
Posts: 1,805
It takes bottle to go public as he has done. Is it likely to be a CLM (career limiting move)? I very much doubt it. Management may seek to recruit him to their side on the basis that it is better to have someone inside the tent p!ssing out than the reverse. Otherwise they will leave him well alone for fear of being had for victimisation. An excellent article.
Mach E Avelli is online now  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 04:04
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: 41,000'
Posts: 278
Well said Joseph. Hopefully all the mainstream folk see the point of the article...safety first and foremost and the protection of Australian jobs and conditions second.
piston broke again is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 04:41
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Melbourne
Age: 34
Posts: 54
Same thing happened in France with Ryanair , Irish based Airline, paying french pilots under Irish rules...

Some complained and took action...

As a result Ryanair will leave the french town of Marseille and the pilots look like the bad guys, because people around will now loose their job...

Those offshore-based wages are.....
The fight has to be done...but carefully... what are those airline really afraid off?

If someone's not happy they just find someone else...
Turban is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 05:21
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: australia
Age: 56
Posts: 11
this guy should stand for PM. Balls, straight talking, no BS or spin subterfuge. He's got my vote! Canberra would crap itself.
worked to death is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 05:48
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Hotel, Crew Bus, Flight Deck, Hotel
Posts: 50
Well written and factual article.

Well done Joseph.

If there were more individuals like this willing to speak up, I believe the situation would change.
Mr Pilot 2007 is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 06:54
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 339


Great article, too bad the only way I saw it was from this site. Which fairfax publication was it published in? I have a peek at smh.com.au numerous times a day and didn't catch it.
Fonz121 is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 07:07
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rarotonga
Posts: 204
My sincere compliments to Joseph Eakins on presenting the facts from his perspective.

The standard of writing indicates someone who has an excellent grasp of the issues, the commitment to put his name to them, and the potential for higher responsibilities within the industry.

Joseph, my best wishes for a high flying career.
Frank Burden is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 07:12
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: All over the Planet
Posts: 787
Hypricosy?

This guy complains about certain people under-cutting his pay and conditions. Hasn't he, and all of his colleagues at JQ, done the same to his brothers at QF? It's easy to see why he "went public".
Ken Borough is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 07:27
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Melbourne
Age: 50
Posts: 113
Fonz, direct link to SMH article by Joseph and public responses to what he has to say from>

Pilots In Legal Action Against Jetstar

WorthWhat is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 07:34
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 339
Fonz, direct link to SMH article by Joseph and public responses to what he has to say from>
Thanks mate!

I was more getting at the fact that I didn't see this article on my own accounts with smh.com.au. Therefore it mustn't have been too visible on the site (which is a shame).
Fonz121 is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 08:06
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 105
Ken B makes the best point here.

The word hypocritical comes to mind!
Autobrakes4 is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 09:41
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: All at sea
Posts: 1,805
'Brothers' and 'pilots' in the same sentence is an oxymoron. What he is on about is not further lowering the bar to 3rd world standards and conditions.
Mach E Avelli is online now  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 10:34
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The Beech or the Office.
Age: 10
Posts: 331
Mach,

They are already 3rd world, actually the 3rd world carries pay better.

There are turboprop and corporate gigs that leave this shyte for dead. It's all about "the jet horn", and that lasts 5 mins after being screwed adnorsiasm.
Normasars is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 10:45
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Round the corner
Posts: 11
Good Work mate. If only there were more in the industry such as you we wouldnt find ourselves in the current long drop.

MCD
ManillaChillaDilla is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 10:45
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 137
Kudos to Joe.

The only hypocrisy I see, is a man willing to stand up for what he believes in, AND using his real name, and the people criticizing him are the ones under the guise of a pseudosim here on PPRuNe.

Australian pilots have NO chance of winning this battle when we have no solidarity amongst our peers, irrespective of airline or company.
Flava Saver is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 11:19
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 187
Jo - Outstanding! I was blown away a couple weeks ago when I listened to you, and I'm amazed once again at your passion, intellect and integrity. It's an honor to be counted as one of your colleagues.

Ken B, and AB4 - dinosaurs is the first word that comes to mind about your pathetic comments; dinosaurs because you live in the past; sure, Jetstar's inception was certainly bad for most QF pilots. But please tell me that you don't seriously believe that non-jet pilots should have been asked to forgo the opportunity to fly for JQ when the jobs were offered?! Several COMs ago, AIPA didn't realise the ramification of their attitude towards JQ and all that went with it. Sadly, we are now seeing the result of 'too-little-too-late'.

What the two of you (and the ever-diminishing like-minded amongst you) are too 'archaic-thinking' to realise, is that the past must now be firmly relegated to it's appropriate place; the past!

What you appear to fail to realise with your 'hypocrisy/hypocritical' comment is that JQ is - and always was - a test case, whose 'strategic initiatives' (management speak, not mine) will probably find fruition in future pilot EBAs of mainline if allowed to go unchecked.

So, rather than being smug 'I-told-you-so's', it might be more productive if you came onboard at this critical time. If this goes the company's way - well...let's just say that there will be no future for you to be smug about in future.

Now, more than ever in the last long while, it's time to show solidarity in whatever way works for the individual, while being obvious to the many.
RAD_ALT_ALIVE is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 12:09
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In da Big Smoke
Posts: 2,502
But please tell me that you don't seriously believe that non-jet pilots should have been asked to forgo the opportunity to fly for JQ when the jobs were offered?! Several COMs ago, AIPA didn't realise the ramification of their attitude towards JQ and all that went with it. Sadly, we are now seeing the result of 'too-little-too-late'.
So using that logic why should someone who is willing to go live in Singapore and accept the deal be stopped from doing so just because it undercuts Jetstar conditions? A hypothetical person who accepts that deal is only doing to Jetstar pilots what Jetstar did to QF pilots. I believe the AIPA decision was somewhat influenced by a particular president who managed to benefit out of the deal.

I believe we should do all we can to stop the rot but Jetstar pilots need to understand why some QF drivers might be a little bemused by the whole turn of events.
neville_nobody is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 20:34
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 105
I'll tell you what's also hypocritical. Not too many Jetstar pilots were willing to join AIPA at first when Jetstar was first thought of. Now that they're feeling a bit threatened by their bosses actions, they're joining in droves!

Very greedy.

This bloke is feeling threatened about his work reducing and going to other entities. I didn't see him worrying when he was taking the work from us. If the shoe fits...
Autobrakes4 is offline  
Old 11th Oct 2010, 21:06
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: The Hornets Nest, NSW
Posts: 833
This thread is full of what is most rotten in this industry. Grown men and women from positions of trust within our industry blaming everyone else for their lot and being as petty and as juvenile as they can about someone who should be applauded and supported for drawing a line in the sand.

No wonder our industry is up s#!t creek when even QF pilots start whining and moaning about everyone else's capitulation instead of their own. Yes I am very aware of what went on thank you very much... however it is always going to be the public attitudes of 's like Ken B and Autobrakes that tar many really good people in QF with a that same brush.

Oh, and Ken.... its hypocrisy not Hypricosy, obviously the standard wasn't all that high when you applied.

Regards,

OpsN.
OpsNormal is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.