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Interesting to see all the bickering from the naysayers sitting in their glass houses criticising Impulse/Jetstar pilots from jumping ship to Singas.
The small number of these JQ pilots heading over to Singas are mainly ex-Ansett ,not ex-Impulse.
The small number of these JQ pilots heading over to Singas are mainly ex-Ansett ,not ex-Impulse.
The Professor
Greedy? For maintaining and improving your wage throughout your airline career.So that would make you the working poor for doing the opposite Mr Low Cost Pilot.
Even more so, when the ATO garnishes your wage if you leave your family in Oz.
Greedy? For maintaining and improving your wage throughout your airline career.So that would make you the working poor for doing the opposite Mr Low Cost Pilot.
Even more so, when the ATO garnishes your wage if you leave your family in Oz.
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Market forces or was it the corrupt nature of the monetary system that enriched you? Being one of the "elite" allowed you to be complicit in, and benefit from the "steal from the poor & give to the rich" nature of the system, professor.
Have a look at his previous posts.......
High end manager? Doubt it. At best, a contract pilot and self-promoter who probably used draconian employment laws abroad, to shaft his colleagues for a Judas sum.
High end manager? Doubt it. At best, a contract pilot and self-promoter who probably used draconian employment laws abroad, to shaft his colleagues for a Judas sum.
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For the last few years, I have read the posts made by The Professor on a wide range of subjects on this BB.
He (she?) unfailingly champions "free market" forces whereby any employee within an organisation who attempts to improve their lot by achieving a higher wage must be a grubby, greedy individual. Management, however, are perfectly justified in doing all in their power to reduce their costs and maximise their profits. The Professor, presumably, finds that the outrageous bonusses and golden parachutes paid to managers pre-GFC are justifiable through the largesse of "market forces" and "world's best practice".
After reading his/her last two posts on this thread which are, at least, consistent (if not in any way constructive to the debate), I would offer the following observation.
At best, The Professor is a troll who takes every opportunity to make provocative and inflammatory remarks on a variety of debates with respect to an industry that is undergoing unprecedented change. Presumably he/she draws some level of satisfaction from provoking people who wish to make the piloting profession a sustainable industry in an industrial/management environment that is increasingly being dominated by people who feels as he does. At worst, The Professor is, as he simply states in his most recent post: "Not a pilot, a retired but very high cost manager." Such smug arrogance is indeed in character with the despised group of indiuviduals in which The Professor seems to claim likemindedness.
I have no problem with informed robust debate, but I do have a problem with people making deliberately provocative posts on a BB on which they are not entitled (or qualified) to post on.
Since this BB is clearly called the "Professional Pilots Rumour Network" I would request that the moderators of this BB revoke his right to make any further posts on this forum.
He (she?) unfailingly champions "free market" forces whereby any employee within an organisation who attempts to improve their lot by achieving a higher wage must be a grubby, greedy individual. Management, however, are perfectly justified in doing all in their power to reduce their costs and maximise their profits. The Professor, presumably, finds that the outrageous bonusses and golden parachutes paid to managers pre-GFC are justifiable through the largesse of "market forces" and "world's best practice".
After reading his/her last two posts on this thread which are, at least, consistent (if not in any way constructive to the debate), I would offer the following observation.
At best, The Professor is a troll who takes every opportunity to make provocative and inflammatory remarks on a variety of debates with respect to an industry that is undergoing unprecedented change. Presumably he/she draws some level of satisfaction from provoking people who wish to make the piloting profession a sustainable industry in an industrial/management environment that is increasingly being dominated by people who feels as he does. At worst, The Professor is, as he simply states in his most recent post: "Not a pilot, a retired but very high cost manager." Such smug arrogance is indeed in character with the despised group of indiuviduals in which The Professor seems to claim likemindedness.
I have no problem with informed robust debate, but I do have a problem with people making deliberately provocative posts on a BB on which they are not entitled (or qualified) to post on.
Since this BB is clearly called the "Professional Pilots Rumour Network" I would request that the moderators of this BB revoke his right to make any further posts on this forum.
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I would expect that someone playing devils advocate would provide a valuable service to any forum, otherwise you are in danger of just having people agreeing with each other. Especially if the viewpoint expressed is not one that would otherwise be expected to be made known on this forum.
'I may not agree with what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it.' (Voltaire)
'I may not agree with what you say but i will defend to the death your right to say it.' (Voltaire)
"....you are in danger of just having people agreeing with each other."
Herd mentality always trumps balanced debate. Dissent is to be feared. Contrary opinions are to be ignored. Alternative voices are to be shouted down.
History is to be repeated.
Herd mentality always trumps balanced debate. Dissent is to be feared. Contrary opinions are to be ignored. Alternative voices are to be shouted down.
History is to be repeated.
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"I would request that the moderators of this BB revoke his right to make any further posts on this forum."
As oic has alluded to, the best thing you guys can do right now is listen to opinions that are contrary to your own.
To "revoke his right to make any further posts on this forum" is to ignore the pitfalls of those who have trodden this path before you.
Jetstar is just the beginning of the demise of organized labor within QF. Entrenching yourselves will only accelerate this process.
Lets wait and see what JQ has plans for beyond Singapore.
As oic has alluded to, the best thing you guys can do right now is listen to opinions that are contrary to your own.
To "revoke his right to make any further posts on this forum" is to ignore the pitfalls of those who have trodden this path before you.
Jetstar is just the beginning of the demise of organized labor within QF. Entrenching yourselves will only accelerate this process.
Lets wait and see what JQ has plans for beyond Singapore.
Jetstar is just the beginning of the demise of organized labor within QF.
Prat!!!!!
Nunc est bibendum
Actually, I reckon that J* and Bruce Buchanan are doing more to ensure the future of organised labour within the QF group than anyone else over the last 20 years. Just goes to show the 'vision' of Dixon, Joyce, et al. 
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"And this must make you so happy eh Prof? You'd just love to see the demise of Qantas mainline and everybody lose their jobs so that you could smugly pontificate about "market forces"
And this post is where the problem lies.
My argument has never been about what makes us "happy" or what I would "love to see". I have never attached emotion to the vagaries of the market place. The market does not "care" about your feelings or mine.
You should stop beating your fists on the table and howling to the moon about how unfair life is and start planning a strategy for coping with change instead of playing victim.
And this post is where the problem lies.
My argument has never been about what makes us "happy" or what I would "love to see". I have never attached emotion to the vagaries of the market place. The market does not "care" about your feelings or mine.
You should stop beating your fists on the table and howling to the moon about how unfair life is and start planning a strategy for coping with change instead of playing victim.
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Dear Professor, the "free market" that you write of has not existed since Dec 23 1913. Every market, has been manipulated since that date. The "free market" is just another illusion, another shell game. You got wealthy perpetuating the market myth, so you want to see it continue. Did you actually create any wealth during your working life? Or were you one of the parasites feeding on the host, transferring wealth from those that actually create wealth to those that control the system.
The market does not "care" about your feelings or mine.
You think that there should be no emotion attached to the "vagaries of the market place". What management parasites like you forget is that "the market place" as you term it consists of people and their lives.
People tend to be emotional beings, and when the way they live their lives is under threat from people who have no qualms about taking money out of their mouths to feather their own nests, they tend to get a little bit emotional.
You think that you are free to pontificate in your ivory tower, make your plans for "the market place", improve your own financial position through cutting other people's remuneration and then just shrug your shoulders and say its "just a vagary of the market place" without thinking of the consequences to the people in that market place.
People who think like you make me sick, Prof, especially when they have the temerity to boast about how well "market forces" have served them. Your mindset is straight out of the Dixon playbook and I feel the same about you as nearly every frontline employee of Qantas felt about him.
I do not have to howl at the moon, Prof, because I will probably be retired before the current management industrial plans at Qantas are complete. I just feel sorry for the young aspiring pilots who are starting off in this industry who will have to continue to deal with "people" like you!!!!
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Corporate culprits
And this is the problem with your post Prof (and the other sociopaths who think like you).
That is akin to shooting the messengers when you don’t like their message. The following premise is advocated by the documentary called ‘The Corporation’ (2004) which is based on the book ‘The Corporation: The Pathological Pursuit of Profit and Power’ by Professor Joel Bakan:
modern Corporations are driven by the motive to generate profits for shareholders, regardless of how this affects the interests of workers, society, or the environment. The corporation, in fact, is so driven by self-interest and financial greed that it fits the personality profile of a psychopathic individual.
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"You think that there should be no emotion attached"
I am not suggesting that employees are not emotionally involved. I am suggesting that the market does not account for this. It’s a simple fact. I understand your frustration but the market is not me. I cannot control it and I certainly cant force hedge fund managers in Beverly Hills or Nice to be kind and understanding when shifting trillions of dollars of capital from a western country with inflexible high cost labor to an emerging market with low cost pliable labor.
I am not suggesting that employees are not emotionally involved. I am suggesting that the market does not account for this. It’s a simple fact. I understand your frustration but the market is not me. I cannot control it and I certainly cant force hedge fund managers in Beverly Hills or Nice to be kind and understanding when shifting trillions of dollars of capital from a western country with inflexible high cost labor to an emerging market with low cost pliable labor.
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Jack Ranga
Checked a few previous pages, apologies if you have already expanded previously.
Two questions:
- what, in the view of JR, are the actions required to stop the SIN exercise;
- why haven't these been actioned or, equally, why wouldn't they be actioned by the group(s) so adversely affected.
Just interestered.
The Professor
Well played!
I do prefer captainrats statement regards your good self, thought Shark Patrol's a little over the top IMHO (having seen your picture I see no resemblance between yourself and Jack the Ripper).
Although on revisiting maybe a few similarities??
To make people agree, decry or centralise - maybe not a bad moniker.
Checked a few previous pages, apologies if you have already expanded previously.
Two questions:
- what, in the view of JR, are the actions required to stop the SIN exercise;
- why haven't these been actioned or, equally, why wouldn't they be actioned by the group(s) so adversely affected.
Just interestered.
The Professor
Well played!
I do prefer captainrats statement regards your good self, thought Shark Patrol's a little over the top IMHO (having seen your picture I see no resemblance between yourself and Jack the Ripper).
Although on revisiting maybe a few similarities??
To make people agree, decry or centralise - maybe not a bad moniker.