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Old 28th Jul 2014, 16:59
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Extract:
Roger Chambers will be presenting a seminar about team factors, the opportunities to harness those factors to improve safety within the an organisation through the Safety Management System, and the hazards that can manifest within and between teams that history shows can lead to incidents and accidents. Roger will also provide an update about safety promotion material that has been developed by CASA in the past 18 months that is now available for industry. CASA Safety Promotion staff will be on hand to provide safety materials to participants.
Interesting all this Human Factors and SMS stuff! The real and only question that needs asking is why was the work Ben Cook did excluded from the Chambers report if it is that important? Follow up why was the chambers report not passed to the Atsb for consideration.

I expect there will be representatives from legal there.

The iOS need to blend in so he has no idea who will ask the questions.
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 21:00
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Ziggychick, post #2101 sums up why we need change!

Thread back on track.

Ziggychick, well said That is exactly the reason why we need an overhaul of our aviation environment. You have related a reality check of what the outcome of an aviation accident leaves behind. One example from a survivor. You and Shane Urquhart together on the road talking to our industry would be a formidable team and provide much better insight and understanding than someone like Wodger dribbling on about pony pooh.

Our industry desperately needs help, it is sick, it is AOG. Let's just hope that change comes before we end up being the country that is sifting through the ashes of 200 or 300 pax after Sunny's giant smoking hole occurs.
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 22:09
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Ziggy

The only glimmer of hope for any substantive change is the non-major party aligned Senators. If you want to put your energy to most effective use, lobby them.

CASA as an organisation doesn't care. Protesting at their gab-fests will make no difference.

ATSB as an organisation doesn't care. Protesting at their gab-fests will make no difference.

Almost none, if any, of the chest-beaters on PPRuNe will be there with you.

The Laborials as a group don't care. The Laborials as a group are very happy with the job CASA and ATSB do. Nothing that CASA and ATSB have done or not done has made an iota of difference to the opinion polls. That's why nothing substantive has happened in the wake of the Senate Aviation Accident Investigation Inquiry report or the ASRR Panel report.

The only glimmer of hope is that the non-majory party aligned Senators can be convinced to do something. Talk to the PUPs, the Lib Dem, the Family First as well as Nick X and the Greens.
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Old 28th Jul 2014, 23:01
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The IOS are, from my dealings with many of them, impecunious. CAsA have made them "straw men/women" in their quest for safe skies for all. This little fact seems to be lost on the fat cats who believe they can intimidate, threaten and bully them further.


They have nothing left to loose! This makes them dangerous.


CAsA will never take anybody to a real court of law. Some of the IOS have dared them to do so. Recent administrative audits have been thwarted by legal intervention and still they refuse to take legal action for obstruction. CAsA only have clout via their own perversion of the regs and the umbrella of "safety" in the bureaucrat friendly AAT.


By their own actions CAsA are inviting public disobedience and what better place to demonstrate this than the RAS shindig at "Tammany Hall".


Somebody should ring the police before it gets out of control.

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Old 29th Jul 2014, 00:52
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If you cut and paste from a couple of different posts you can come up with some good advice for Ziggy.

You and Shane Urquhart together on the road talking to our industry would be a formidable team and provide much better insight and understanding. The only glimmer of hope for any substantive change is the non-major party aligned Senators. If you want to put your energy to most effective use, lobby them.

CASA as an organisation doesn't care. Protesting at their gab-fests will make no difference.

ATSB as an organisation doesn't care. Protesting at their gab-fests will make no difference.

Almost none, if any, of the chest-beaters on PPRuNe will be there with you.

The Laborials as a group don't care. The Laborials as a group are very happy with the job CASA and ATSB do. Nothing that CASA and ATSB have done or not done has made an iota of difference to the opinion polls. That's why nothing substantive has happened in the wake of the Senate Aviation Accident Investigation Inquiry report or the ASRR Panel report.

The only glimmer of hope is that the non-majory party aligned Senators can be convinced to do something. Talk to the PUPs, the Lib Dem, the Family First as well as Nick X and the Greens.
The rest is like watching monkeys in a zoo.
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 01:38
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Back on track.

004:
Ziggychick, well said That is exactly the reason why we need an overhaul of our aviation environment. You have related a reality check of what the outcome of an aviation accident leaves behind. One example from a survivor. You and Shane Urquhart together on the road talking to our industry would be a formidable team and provide much better insight and understanding than someone like Wodger dribbling on about pony pooh.
Agree totally 004.., back on track & very glad to see Ziggy once again able to add to the debate with such a succinct post... (unlike some on here...).

It is sometime self-satisfying to attack the man (or wabbit), especially a wabbit such as Wodger who has been the instigator of many embuggerances of individual industry stakeholders & some, like Ziggy, innocent bystanders. However at the end of the day the likes of Wodger really do not signify, as he really was only doing the bidding of his (soon to be former) Sociopath master in helping perpetuate the PelAir cover up.

The bigger picture, which Ziggy & 004 allude to, is much more important and is best summarised (before we started drifting) by "K" at post #2061
IMO - Between CASA and Beaker people like Ben Cook and Mal Christie have been treated abominably by those with very few qualifications and much less integrity. Any accountant can run the books, hell a qualified book keeper could do it. We have no need of these administrative types to be running critical safety investigations or managing essential organisations. Look at the buggers muddle Pel Air turned out to be if you think they should.

Would a Houston have recovered the Pel Air black box?

Would a Ben Cook have smudged the ledger to make the page add up?

Would either have manipulated facts and ignored evidence?

Would they tell the world about the life vest issues?

Yet it smugly stands there, the Beaker; reappointed and with enough neck to slither in front of a camera at every opportunity and flap his jaw. Perhaps there is a case for military or AMSA intervention if the minuscule can't see where the ATSB is heading. Why persist with Beaker?, why does he stay where no one, bar the co conspirators want him? Why do we keep him, let some one else mind the tea money while all the real, qualified talent and front line investigators have gone to the Ukraine. I'd bet a beer that when they come home, Beaker will be puffing out his chest, capering about the place picking up the kudos crumbs, like a puppy at a BBQ. It's disgusting, truly, really, absolutely disgraceful.
And from a PT article yesterday (MH17 Admissions of safety failure by Malaysia Airlines?)Ben discretely slid this into the mix..

"...They also go to the heart of the ‘accountability’ factor in modern airline managements, which are incidentally, held to be personally liable for safety outcomes under Australian law according to this country’s Civil Aviation Safety Authority when it isn’t suppressing embarrassing internal documents in such cases at the Pel-Air crash near Norfolk Island in 2009, or letting joy ride pilots like the late Barry Hempel fly unsuspecting customers to their doom because it decided to turn a blind eye to its own responsibilities..."

So by all means Ziggy (& whoever) attend Wodger's lecture, as long as people adhere to..

"...Whilst there, I'd like to bring attention to facts and justice. Which I believe I have the right to do. So I will.
Presence and connecting with others to speak of the truth regarding the shortcomings of the distorted system/s. Ask logical questions.

Going for the right reasons. To listen, then question..."

...there can be no harm done...

IMO Ziggy your presence at the event will speak much louder than words but if you are after intel for the Q&A that follows I am more than happy to oblige, you could start with reviewing my post...Third MoP sponsor: The case of the shrinking Attachment B??

However until such time as the miniscule decides to blink IOS impatience will continue to grow...

I'll finish with a quote from Kharon:
What CASA can't seem to accept is that major change is demanded and industry expects those changes; but the concept is alien to them. They have become very used to, and good at ignoring the likes of coroners, ATSB, FAA and ICAO; but this time the step from the sublime to ridiculous trod on a lot of toes. Since Pel Air and the Forsyth report, the way in which government perceive CASA, particularly in the Senate has changed. Make no mistake – the winds of change are indeed heading towards the ivory tower, like it or not.

In short, perhaps CASA will no longer be able to thumb their nose at industry, Senate and the recommendations of 'other' organisations; not with impunity anyway. CASA have, by a fair minded, impartial jury of peers been weighed, measured and definitely been found wanting. Speculating, but I reckon the Rev. Forsyth wisely allowed to overseas guru's enough latitude to form their own opinions; without his input. Their considered, expert opinion fully justified the Senate findings on the Pel Air ditching. CASA~have arrogantly been the architects of their own demise and must now attempt to be reconciled with industry as the WLR demands.
MTF..
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Old 29th Jul 2014, 02:44
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Thread drift what thread drift?

Your request here Sarcs:

So by all means Ziggy (& whoever) attend Wodger's lecture, as long as people adhere to..

"...Whilst there, I'd like to bring attention to facts and justice. Which I believe I have the right to do. So I will.
Presence and connecting with others to speak of the truth regarding the shortcomings of the distorted system/s. Ask logical questions.

Going for the right reasons. To listen, then question..."

...there can be no harm done...
Seems at odds with this:

They have nothing left to loose! This makes them dangerous.

CAsA will never take anybody to a real court of law. Some of the IOS have dared them to do so. Recent administrative audits have been thwarted by legal intervention and still they refuse to take legal action for obstruction. CAsA only have clout via their own perversion of the regs and the umbrella of "safety" in the bureaucrat friendly AAT.

By their own actions CAsA are inviting public disobedience and what better place to demonstrate this than the RAS shindig at "Tammany Hall".

Somebody should ring the police before it gets out of control.
And do you really think the quiet corridors of the RAeS are interested in admitting someone wearing a T-shirt with overtones of terrorism? Although to give some credit to Jinglie he at least has said he is going which is more than other people have so far failed to do.
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First principals Clarisse.

When Lefty sets up a derailment, the first thing to do is ignore it; the second and most important is to work out why. This leaves us with two less pages of heroic tattoo's (no pictures - please), wild artwork (yes - but is it art?) and keeps us on topic (Click). The topic, before 'trouble at t' mill' kicked off, was the notion of the RAeS embracing safety culture and having the author of that Senate favourite. "the" Chambers report paraded as the doyen of all safety issues. We have previously discussed the Pel Air 8 day recovery wonder, the CAIR report and the other serious anomalies which the Pel Air inquiry threw up.

It is of course up to the RAeS who they ask to speak; how the society chooses to sully it's reputation is entirely their business. I simply reserve my right to decline an invitation and as insignificant as my absence may be it is preferable. Rather than embarrassing the society with raucous, noisy crowd scenes; much as they are great fun. No, if you feel you must protest make it a silent one, don't dignify this charade by attending. No doubt, in due course a transcript will turn up and we can have a little look at that; just for fun.

Ziggy – good on you; but as brother Creampuff says the odds are slim, but hope springs eternal. If we can keep the Senators respect and interest and if Truss delivers on the election promises, there is a chance things may change for the better. Hang in there – smile whenever you can; shame to waste such a lovely thing.

As an aside. There are three traditional methods for hunting rabbits, the first is aback a horse using a the stirrup and swatting the little buggers with the iron, a polo swing - this whilst potentially lethal to rider is bloody good sport. Another is the shotgun and lamp method, which is wet, cold, dreary, expensive, time consuming and, in the wrong company potentially lethal. The oldest method is the poachers line trap, set and forget; soon or late your dinner will arrive; cheap effective and no patience required; for the well set rabbit trap is the most patient of all.

But - Jorrocks had the right of it -

I am a sportsman all over, and to the back-bone - 'Untin is all that's worth living for – all time is lost wot is not spent in 'unting – it is like the hair we breathe – if we have it not we die – it's the sport of kings, the image of war without its guilt, and only five-and-twenty per cent of its danger.
Toot toot..

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Nice rationalization! "I will be the first to mention it and encourage others to attend but my supreme sacrifice is to not attend in the interests of dignity and promoting the cause." You will lead the howling mob but not support the damsel in distress. Not much of a knight in shining armour. More like a silly old git in a Ned Kelly costume.
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Straight out of CAsA industry management 101.


Lesson 1: Divide and conquer.


Lesson 2: Exploit the conservative values, avoid or ignore overt hostility.


Lesson 3: See lesson 1.


Interesting that both the radical stance or the soft option have the same aim. It must be confusing to be hated by both. Chivalry and CAsA are an alien conception and I question your exploration of someone else's motives Leftwing. It would appear you have nothing to offer, now you are resorting to ridicule, so can you go and "ping" somewhere else. You are a most irritating identity.

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Typical Frank, when you have nothing to say accuse someone of being from CASA, straight out of Chairman Maos Little Red Book.

The only thing irritating you (and others) is a different point of view and highlighting hypocrisy. My crime, according to the howling mob, was asking who was going to attend the function at the RAeS with Ziggy. Who after all these years is still after answers as to why she she was left permanently disabled when CASA should not have allowed the operation to have approval in the first place. She wanted to know who, amongst the loyal K followers who after all these years still talk endlessly about Beakers and Screaming Skulls, was going to join her. A reasonable request given the tone of the regulars posting. Surprise surprise only one has actually said they are attending. The rest just descend into the usual monologue about Wabbits and Wodgers, to my dismay even Sarcs who normally plays with a straight bat but is now very much afflicted by the Stockholm Syndrome.

If I irritate you (thanks by the way that cheered me up a lot), 004, Kharon, Jinglie etc etc etc then there is simply the ignore function.
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Senate Estimates QON index finally released??

The normally extremely efficient RRAT committee have finally linked the QONs for the 2014-15 Budget Estimates.

As we all know (from past experience & much to the Senators angst) the AQONs are never answered by the Dept & its agencies by the due date. Indeed we will be lucky to see the answers earlier than a week before the next Estimate hearings.

It is quite unusual for the Secretariat not to release the index till after the published due date for the actual answers (25 July). However in this case I think I can see where the delay has occurred. The QONs index, in comparison to last year, has grown exponentially from 49 pages to this year a 107 pages. Most of the additional 58 pages seem to have been gobbled up in a large number of written QONs, some of which would have taken the Senators considerable time to research & compose...interesting??

Anyhow for those interested here is the link - QON Index

A couple of QONs of interest.
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FAWCETT
AFM Data

Senator FAWCETT: The runway length required really then comes down to the AFM data factored appropriately—I think it is 1.2 for short grass runways and 1.25 for certain weights of aircraft, and there are a couple of factors go in there. But the bottom line is that it is a greater number than is in the AFM itself and that is the legal requirement for operators to operate to.
Mr Leeds: I could not quote those figures exactly. I do not have that information to hand but those other factors do exist.
Senator FAWCETT: With a situation like the master plan for Essendon, where they are proposing to shorten runways, the assurance to the aviation community is that it is a process that will be considered. When CASA provides its input to that process, is that the kind of process that your people will be going through to say that the minimum strip length, particularly for those non-transport category aircraft, is not just what the AFM has but it includes all those factors that an operator is required to consider to operate the aircraft safely?
Mr Leeds: Yes, we would be looking at those sorts of things consistent with the ICAO standards for aerodromes but the exact details I would have to take on notice.
Senator FAWCETT: What I am getting at is, if the proponent for a master plan said the AFM says, 'We need 1,000 metres,' that the aircraft operator would be quitelegitimately be able to say, 'What CASA requires is the AFM minimum plus the factors,' which might make it 1,200 metres, that that is actually the minimum strip length required or the accelerate stop distance available, as opposed to the 1,000 metres from the AFM.
Mr Leeds: Again, I am not familiar with the exact science. I would have to take that on notice.


264
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FAWCETT
Archerfield Case

Senator FAWCETT: Could I take you to the Archerfield case, where there was a proposal to change the orientation of one of the grass runways and make it essentially north-south. My understanding is that CASA has endorsed the consultant's calculation of strip length based on the AFM data as opposed to the factored data. Are you able to shed any light on whether CASA did in fact apply the factors so that the end result is a clear indication of what the operator legally has to have to take off and land—with landing it is even greater—or was that advice purely on the AFM data?
Mr McCormick: I will have to take that on notice for Archerfield. We will get back to as soon as we can. I know where you are going with this.
Senator FAWCETT: Okay, take it on notice, but as a principle the operator's requirement is to comply with his ops manual, which has to take into account engine failure situations in terms of the take-off and landing length available.
Mr McCormick: Certainly for the accelerate stop distance available when we are talking about balanced fields length, I should imagine. The grass case is one where I am not too sure what we have said about the grass orientation. I agree with you, and we will take that on notice and get it back to you as soon as possible. We do not have Archerfield in front of us, unfortunately.
Sen Fawcett in regards to CVD/O'Brien AAT hearing:
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FAWCETT
AAT: O’Brien Tribunal

Senator FAWCETT: …
Mr McCormick, may I move on to answers that you gave at estimates last year about the costs associated with an AAT case relating to colour vision deficient pilots. You indicated that, as of 1 December 2013, the costs were $43,500. Can you tell me, in terms of forecast costs, how many expert witnesses CASA plans to call for that inquiry or tribunal?
Mr McCormick: Are you talking about the upcoming O'Brien tribunal in July?
Senator FAWCETT: Yes.
Mr McCormick: I will ask the manager of the legal branch to give you that figure, Senator.
Mr Rule: There will obviously be a number of specialist witnesses called to give evidence.
Senator FAWCETT: Two? Ten? Fifteen?
Mr Rule: I am not across the precise number that would be—
Senator FAWCETT: Would I be wrong if I said 12?
Mr Rule: I could not say that that number is wrong. We are out of the ballpark, but I cannot give a confirmed number at this stage. The exchange of evidence between the parties only just finished at the end of last week, I believe, so there will be some to-ing and fro-ing as to which evidence and which witnesses are required. I can certainly take that on notice and provide a more settled estimate of that for you, if that would assist.

266
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CASA
FAWCETT
AAT: O’Brien Tribunal

Senator FAWCETT: …you must also have metrics from previous inquiries. Knowing what expert witnesses charge for their appearances, the travel and accommodation costs, the whole cost of conducting the inquiry in terms of transcript fees et cetera, have you made a provision in your budgeting for how much you anticipate this AAT case will cost?
Mr Rule: Obviously, we do do forward estimates of how much we think a case is likely to cost. Generally we do it across quarterly budget considerations, so total cost can get washed out as you conduct these cases piecemeal.
Senator FAWCETT: I am happy to add the figures up, Mr Rule, if you could give me the figures across those quarterly milestones.
Mr Rule: We can certainly take that on notice and provide those figures.

267
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CASA
FAWCETT
Mandate the CAD Test

Senator FAWCETT: I understand. You did also say in that period that you did not believe there was any intention to mandate the CAD test and that was not the direction CASA was going. But I have subsequently seen a couple of examples where CASA refused to renew the medical of people who previously had multiple renewables of their medical unless they sat the CAD test. Does that not contradict your comment that that is not CASA's intended direction?
Mr McCormick: I will go back and check what I actually said at the time, my recollection of the conversation was that we were talking about using the CAD test as the principal test rather than the Ishihara test or something like that. As I said, I will check that on notice.
What I found most interesting was this written QON from DF...:
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CASA
FAWCETT

Cost of Investigations
1. What was the cost of the investigation ‘Antidepressant Usage and Civilian Aviation Activity in Australia 1993-2004’?
2. What has been the financial cost to CASA of the last five AAT Hearings in which CASA has been involved? Please provide the following:
a. Staff involved;
b. Number of witnesses called;
c. Length of time;
d. Legal fees;
Written
But my particular favourite was the Heff's extremely annoyed QON to Beaker after DF's questioning on UAVs...:
Mr Dolan: I am happy to give you a response on notice.

CHAIR: Then will you come back to the committee—or through the secretary or through the department or through the minister—and explain to the Australian public and this committee what their protection is from the growing plethora of unmanned vehicles in the air?
The body language of which was priceless and can be relived at the tail end of this poohtube vid...

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Clarity

I have the answers I need.
I will challenge the answers with questions.
I have been to many conferences, as a guest speaker too. I can hold myself.
Overall, the aim is for a rather serious cause. Aviation Safety that is transparent and true.
Maybe look to the middle a bit more. Ya need balance.

I slammed into the ocean, high speed impact that broke the aircraft underneath me seat. Plane sinking, seatbelt stuck. Release, in angry, dark ocean, injured, half-inflated life vest, held my patient in shark infested waters for over an hour, terrifying. The aftermath. Disgraceful. Next time you are flying over the ocean at night, think of me. Hypocrisy is really falseness. Therefore the blatant evidence that has been found, after it was hidden, is where the real hypocrisy lands. Safety first. How?
I am not a damsel in distress, nor do I need rescuing. A damsel is a single woman. I am happily divorced. A few may judge me as a "distressed damsel", just let me check. Brain mapping my neuro feedback system via quantum neuro biomechanics. Yep. I'm not a damsel, just Ziggy.
Cosmology, chemistry, politics plus much more. Understood.

"Glimpses of hope" means more to me than you CP. So I ignore the negative blindness to the clear "in your face facts" regarding this matter.
Can't argue the truth. Some try.

I'm just going to the shindig. My will is good. Lighten up fellas.
I shall disappear for a bit.
I do not wish to cause iarguments over such an important issue.
Thank you to all the "Monkeys" for the insight and support.

Keep the bastards honest...escapes me who said it, but, I bloody agree!

Humbly yours,
Ziggy.

"I fell apart, but got back up again"..."to battle is the only way we feel"
Jared Leto.
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keep the bastards honest was a quote of Don Chip leader of the now defunct democrats.
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I am not a damsel in distress, nor do I need rescuing.
Ziggy, the IOS agree You are a tough girl and have earned our absolute respect. You plunged into the ocean and suffered serious injury, but you survived. Your mental strength and determination helped you remain afloat while still caring for your patient - you saved two lives in that hour, you both survived. You have stood up to the Beast known as CAsA, amid legal threats and intimidation, and you have survived. You mention the physical and emotional pain, the moments of doubt and the periods of anger, yet again you continue to survive.
You have experienced something that the absolute vast majority of us would likely never experience in a 1000 lifetimes. For that you earn my absolute respect. You are not a 'damsel in distress'. Only a conceited, ignorant, self opinionated sexist batty boy would think that you are.

Ziggy, a lifetime supply of Kharons chocolate frogs is on its way
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Nice tribute 004, pity you had to spoil it with the rant at the end.
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I spoke to Dom James yesterday. He has moved to DRW an is applying for jobs in a cafe. What a joke. The man deserves much better than that. Is this a democracy? I'm starting to wonder! Watch the Senate hearings and make your own mind up.
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Didn't Dom depart the aircraft before any of his passengers and crew? Did he attempt to go back down after the people he was responsible for?

Just asking.
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The great glacier race.

Sarcs # 2115 "Most of the additional 58 pages seem to have been gobbled up in a large number of written QONs, some of which would have taken the Senators considerable time to research & compose...interesting?"
Having a friendly bet on how far a glacier will travel in a given amount of time is a lifelong project; you'd need to go back every decade or so, to check your marker; even then at the age of 70 you could probably kick a football further than the marker travelled. We are watching the great glacier race the Truss Flash v the Senate Speedy Bill. The only interesting part is the Fawcett commentary – have a look at the 'Fawcett 263' question posted @2115. You could reasonably expect a brand new CPL to answer that question – it's not a difficult one. However, the considered response is some months away, but more importantly the impetus and relevance of the question is lost, leaving the simple 'beer mat' calculations required wallowing in the mists of time; waiting only to return as some bland statement saying that CASA will 'check' the runway lengths to ensure robust safety is maintained. Your glacier may have progressed more than the question in the six months it takes to get that predictable answer.

Of course the Senate is in a race with the Truss entry – the poser is "Will you adopt the recommendations of the report you commissioned and we paid for? Once again, not a difficult question: check your glacier, no surprises there – in the same time period it is a racing certainty that the glacier will have actually moved.

The Rev. Forsyth report in recommendations 6, 7, 18, and 34 maps out a perfectly acceptable, do-able system for speeding thing up. With an active board and the reforms in place, perhaps the six month hiatus between questions being asked and answers returned could be diminished. The need to spend Senate time trapping slippery creatures in dark corners could be significantly reduced, just for lack of questions. Then, perhaps we could get progress reports instead of a fortune being wasted on producing obvious answers to questions that should not ever need to be asked.

Time could then be spent productively: maybe even on a review system to prevent the double jeopardy horrors of the Quadrio case or the persistent administrative embuggerance inflicted on James. Neither of these cases can be considered with pride or satisfaction. But stand they do, along with so many other instances as examples of just how the system is manipulated, by the unscrupulous as and when required. Peer review not trammelled by an 'in-house', solo ICC would help. Imagine, Boyd + 2 looking over a charge sheet rather than a CASA employed, career minding lawyer – now that beats watching glaciers moving any day.

Aye well – I expect by this time next year a clear decision on the colour scheme for the executive dunny will have been made; but that's the cost of progress.

Toot toot.
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Old 30th Jul 2014, 20:23
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Jingle – It's not just Ziggy doing it the hard way though is it? What about the passengers who survived the ditching; I hear the patient/husband team have almost gone broke, the wife still requiring psychiatric and medical care, the husband not in good shape. Now I can't verify any of this yet, it's just the way I understand it; happy to be hopelessly wrong. The insurance company which carries their medical insurance, the package including 'medivac' transport (i.e. the insurer arranged and paid for the flight), does not and is not required to insure them against flight risk (prang). It seems that some very old clauses from the 1929 'law' (statute?) mean that for medical evacuation flight – there is no coverage and so no compensation in the event of a prang. (Chances of survival rated at near zero).

It all seems very complex and 'legal' but apparently the Department (MM) has been aware of this 'black hole' for a very long while. There have been many attempts to have the law changed and this insurance company get out of jail free card removed from play, but no action has been taken. While the insurer has probably acted within 'the law', which is fine, this is of small comfort to the people who's lives have been so drastically altered, through no fault of their own; except perhaps by not reading the fine print on an insurance policy. Ziggy's research into the matter is truly awesome (well done), lets hope that with better health we see a more concise appraisal from her, of how exactly the much vaunted Australian safety system let these innocent, trusting folks down so very badly.

It's a sad indictment though; Pel Air slip through the CASA safety net, the insurance company through the legal net and to add insult to injury, the ATSB bypass the nets altogether and fail to produce any one thing toward preventing a similar event. Every protection we believe we have, rendered null and void. Right down to the life jackets; and even they failed this hapless group in time of need.

But, don't worry, newly minted safety 'experts' are on the job. Who knows, perhaps when enough platitudes have been uttered, and when the newly learned 'safety speak' words have assuaged the disturbed masses; and, enough newly published educational material has been distributed, all will be well; until the next time...

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned," W. Congreve.
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