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Must be about time they release the final draft of the Sydney Precinct Review
Oct or Nov 3 (depends on rumour source) is the start date for Jet * full self handling at the SIT. All supplementary checks day stops etc
But not a word from management about numbers required to run the terminal and how it will manage the overflow of available manpower.
The next few months will be interesting
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Not sure when they'll actually take over but, Jetstar engineers have from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane (and OOL) been doing (and are currently doing) A330 training as we speak.
Whether or not they will just do transit and overnight checks or services such as A checks (like to know where they'll get a hangar and tooling for such work? No doubt JQ management would have already thought all this through?) is not clear.
JHAS could throw their hat into the ring for the A checks but, it would seem ridiculous to take that away from Qantas who are still tooled up for and required to do the same work on their own A330's.
And let's not forget, all this trouble for an aircraft that is supposedly only filling the gap at Jetstar until the 787 arrives. It will then be returned to the mainline fleet.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing in QF/JQ management. Either that, or in advance of imminent QF engineering EBA negotiations starting again, QF are trying to insulate JQ international from any industrial action that might occur (pitting QF and JQ engineers against each other) in the course of such EBA negotiations such as in 2008.
Interesting few months ahead in Engineering spheres within the Qantas group.
Whether or not they will just do transit and overnight checks or services such as A checks (like to know where they'll get a hangar and tooling for such work? No doubt JQ management would have already thought all this through?) is not clear.
JHAS could throw their hat into the ring for the A checks but, it would seem ridiculous to take that away from Qantas who are still tooled up for and required to do the same work on their own A330's.
And let's not forget, all this trouble for an aircraft that is supposedly only filling the gap at Jetstar until the 787 arrives. It will then be returned to the mainline fleet.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing in QF/JQ management. Either that, or in advance of imminent QF engineering EBA negotiations starting again, QF are trying to insulate JQ international from any industrial action that might occur (pitting QF and JQ engineers against each other) in the course of such EBA negotiations such as in 2008.
Interesting few months ahead in Engineering spheres within the Qantas group.
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Also heard that CNS J* contract lost from Nov-not knowing much about the workload up in FNQ unsure if that will impact on jobs. The same for all bases that lose contracts I guess.What impact on SYD numbers?Again not sure how much of total work J* makes up.
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Glad I'm retired.
I was at Barry Stewarts last supervisors meeting just before he retired, he said "I've seen the future and I feel sorry for you poor bastards".
Nuff said.
I was at Barry Stewarts last supervisors meeting just before he retired, he said "I've seen the future and I feel sorry for you poor bastards".
Nuff said.
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Of course they are training up the JQ engineers.Why is this a suprise to anyone?
If there is any industrial action by the QF engineers,then the JQ guys will just work the QF A330's,as it will be illegal for JQ engineers to not work the QF A330's. That part of Workchoices never made it out of the legislation changes since Labor has been in power.
And as far as management would be concerned, if they have the A330's flying as normal to schedule(supported by JQ), then that leaves the management LAME lackies to concentrate on the 737/767/747 fleet.
Don't be suprised if this is the EBA where the LAME-less tarmac issue comes to the front.
If there is any industrial action by the QF engineers,then the JQ guys will just work the QF A330's,as it will be illegal for JQ engineers to not work the QF A330's. That part of Workchoices never made it out of the legislation changes since Labor has been in power.
And as far as management would be concerned, if they have the A330's flying as normal to schedule(supported by JQ), then that leaves the management LAME lackies to concentrate on the 737/767/747 fleet.
Don't be suprised if this is the EBA where the LAME-less tarmac issue comes to the front.
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What's the bet that over time Jetstar take over all their own A330 maintenance (from transits to A checks) then take over QF's as well. This would be a practice run for the B787. It seems obvious when you here QF managment (and I use that term very loosely) talk about the B787. I doubt very much that if you're wearing QF overalls you will never work on one even when it has a rat on the tail.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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This is f@#$%^A& bullh!t
This is exactly what they did to the pilots
QANTAS Airlines is s disgrace, employee engagement my a@#$
They just want to hold us down and push us around
I'm so angry
BRING ON THE EBA !!!!! LET'S TEACH 'EM A LESSON THEY'LL NEVER FORGET
This is exactly what they did to the pilots
QANTAS Airlines is s disgrace, employee engagement my a@#$
They just want to hold us down and push us around
I'm so angry
BRING ON THE EBA !!!!! LET'S TEACH 'EM A LESSON THEY'LL NEVER FORGET
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It was mentioned that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. From what we are seeing, the left hand knows exactly what the right hand is doing. The right hand is shaking yours, seeking more employee engagement. The left hand has a knife in it and it is about to slash your throat.
The Qantas group have deliberately created a number of different entities to avoid obligations to industrial agreements, Australian laws and the Qantas Sale Act.
The next round of EA discussions at Qantas and then Jetstar for LAMEs and Pilots will be crucial. We are all in this together and need to work with, not against each other.
The Qantas group have deliberately created a number of different entities to avoid obligations to industrial agreements, Australian laws and the Qantas Sale Act.
The next round of EA discussions at Qantas and then Jetstar for LAMEs and Pilots will be crucial. We are all in this together and need to work with, not against each other.
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Speaking of EBA's, does anyone know if ( or when ) the QF LAME EBA negotiations will begin? Or will this be another EBA that will finally get sorted out 12-24months after expiring.
Bring back the old thread, those were the days....
Bring back the old thread, those were the days....
Don't care for what's the politics here or what's been said.
My company and my staff don't fly low cost carriers unless the maintenance is done by competant people.
Sorry Jetstar, while your maintenance is done off shore you dont meet my company policy.
My staff fly Qantas.
Dear Qantas, I hear that you are offshoring maintenance as well. I am already researching this as my staff fly SYD - PER on A330's.
This may mean you loose this sector to Virgin.
I recently had the option to fly between SYD and DPS. I chose Garuda because if I have the necesity to fly an airline maintained in a developing country, it might as well be in real business.
Dear airlines -- customers DO CARE WHERE THE AIRCRAFT IS MAINTAINED.
My company and my staff don't fly low cost carriers unless the maintenance is done by competant people.
Sorry Jetstar, while your maintenance is done off shore you dont meet my company policy.
My staff fly Qantas.
Dear Qantas, I hear that you are offshoring maintenance as well. I am already researching this as my staff fly SYD - PER on A330's.
This may mean you loose this sector to Virgin.
I recently had the option to fly between SYD and DPS. I chose Garuda because if I have the necesity to fly an airline maintained in a developing country, it might as well be in real business.
Dear airlines -- customers DO CARE WHERE THE AIRCRAFT IS MAINTAINED.
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This may mean you loose this sector to Virgin
But does the same error need be perpetuated throughout?
Fed Sec. I disagree,
Jet* are in a mad rush to get a wide body MRO operating at a level that CASA will allow them to handle/operate the 787. To double up on what QF already has is highly inefficient especially when Jet* plan to hand the A330 back to QF upon the 787 arrival. It does not match the business model , So it must be being done out of necessity rather than some great conspiracy. Especially when you look at the management talent or lack of, I doubt you will find anyone capable of hatching such a plot.
E.g., The complete clown and buffoon in charge of the SYD precinct review , This character was so useless he was pushed rather than being allowed to jump. Now history repeats with another know –it- all character whom has never spent a day on a ramp or worked a night shift in base reviewing the area again. No conspiracy just incompetence and it is a common denominator
+ The LAMEs at Jet* are paid well for 1 or 2 types and I am sure most will be part of the ALAEA.
I would support their endeavours as they would mine.
arkmark, you would do well to do your research rather than assuming the lie of the land is as you say. Most JQ maintenance is done in-house on the shorthaul, while the longhaul aircraft have been maintained O/S because at the time that was Qantas policy. Until recently Qantas had full maintenance control over the JQ A330s, so they dictated that they went to Lufthansa Technik Phillippines.
Also, all Qantas A330 heavy maintenance is coming onshore now at the shiny big hangar in Brissy, so you may want to 'loosen' up about loosing the company flying.
Also, all Qantas A330 heavy maintenance is coming onshore now at the shiny big hangar in Brissy, so you may want to 'loosen' up about loosing the company flying.
Perhaps this is how Qantas in Sydney at least is going to deal with the upcoming need for a lot of manpower with the arrival of the next 8 or so A380s by the end of next year. Judging from how many people the first 6 have sucked up, I'm sure no one will not be gainfully employed around the Sydney precinct.
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It seems to me its about time a tickle up was given to those in charge. Or have we lost the will to fight , coz Julia has got a thin margin . And you know who is sweating on a Gov''t Job .Mmmmm. Lets see.