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I reckon the first major teething problems will be in a few months with delays from fuel discrepancies due to incorrect procedures being carried out during stop-overs.
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Your post does not make make sense!!!!
You might consider that J* have their own refueling procedures (QF dont have a handle on the world operation of A330's)
What an incredible post...
I reckon the first major teething problems will be in a few months with delays from fuel discrepancies due to incorrect procedures being carried out during stop-overs.
You might consider that J* have their own refueling procedures (QF dont have a handle on the world operation of A330's)
What an incredible post...
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Gee, it's a shame when God was dishing out the aviation expertise to all QF Engineers, he didn't dish out some humility and respect for their fellow Aviation Industry workers who have spent just as much time in this industry as they have.
Such small people..........
Such small people..........
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You might consider that J* have their own refueling procedures (QF dont have a handle on the world operation of A330's)
However Ngineer made no comment about refueling. Ngineer's comments may be more about Jetstar engineers possible lack of experience with the A330 not necessarily their ability.
I did see JQ engineers with a large bucket and sump drain tool in their hands the other day.
Just so everyone knows. QF are the registration holder of 6 of the 7 JQ painted A330's.
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Good on Jet* for taking on their own Transit servicing using their own full time blokes.
It's the A Check maintenance that's being passed on to the J Holland hacks that stinks!
It's the A Check maintenance that's being passed on to the J Holland hacks that stinks!
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No, Jetstar don't have their own refueling procedures for the A330. They are on the Qantas System of maintenance!
By your own reasoning, when the QF engineers were first introduced to the A330 they must have screwed up the refuelling due to not understanding their own refueling procedures as they were lacking experience on type.
I guess the vast experience on the A320 that the J* guys have has no cross correlation to the A330!!!
I did see JQ engineers with a large bucket and sump drain tool in their hands the other day.
Just so everyone knows. QF are the registration holder of 6 of the 7 JQ painted A330's
It's the A Check maintenance that's being passed on to the J Holland hacks that stinks!
Gee, it's a shame when God was dishing out the aviation expertise to all QF Engineers, he didn't dish out some humility and respect for their fellow Aviation Industry workers who have spent just as much time in this industry as they have.
Such small people..........
Such small people..........
In a previous life I worked with a number of ex QF engineers. Some were fantastic engineers who worked hard and did their job extremely well. Some you would not let pump up the tyres on your bicycle. Some were plain experts at doing nothing except ensure they were selected for the next round of training.
The point is that every employer has all types of employee...INCLUDING QANTAS.
The guys at J*, JHAS, or any other MRO besides Qantas have an equal amount of everything it takes to be a cohesive, professional workforce as those employed at QF.
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Understood...You see the employment conditions as less than QF offer at the other MRO's in Australia.
How does this translate into the comment regarding "JHAS hacks"?
Are QF opening the doors to employ the hacks down at JHAS...I think not. So what do these hacks do to feed their families?
I am honestly not trying to have a fight, but the QF 'attitude' is so overwhelmingly apparant that it gets a bit tiring reading post after post on PPRUNE with the subconcious ideal that QF is the be all and end all of aviation.
It is a big world out there.
GB
How does this translate into the comment regarding "JHAS hacks"?
Are QF opening the doors to employ the hacks down at JHAS...I think not. So what do these hacks do to feed their families?
I am honestly not trying to have a fight, but the QF 'attitude' is so overwhelmingly apparant that it gets a bit tiring reading post after post on PPRUNE with the subconcious ideal that QF is the be all and end all of aviation.
It is a big world out there.
GB
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gas bags, firstly I agree with the drift of your thoughts however you may be a victim of prank posting of someone purporting to be a qf engineer.
I have worked at a number of places and the only ones who think qf are the be all and end all of everything are the ones who never been anywhere else or are not engineers to start with.
There are oxy thieves everywhere in life gb.
It is a shame the divide and conquer style at qf over the years has brought us to where lame's are slagging off lame's (if they are indeed lame's).
many vested interests around.
I have worked at a number of places and the only ones who think qf are the be all and end all of everything are the ones who never been anywhere else or are not engineers to start with.
There are oxy thieves everywhere in life gb.
It is a shame the divide and conquer style at qf over the years has brought us to where lame's are slagging off lame's (if they are indeed lame's).
many vested interests around.
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By your own reasoning, when the QF engineers were first introduced to the A330 they must have screwed up the refuelling due to not understanding their own refueling procedures as they were lacking experience on type.
QF system of maintenance = QF procedures.
I'm sure JQ engineers can follow any procedures required QF, JQ or any other.
What a terrible thing to say about the employees of JHAS. I think you might find an awful lot of experienced and professional people working over at JHAS....Even though they may not have been trained by QF!
I guess the vast experience on the A320 that the J* guys have has no cross correlation to the A330!!!
The guys at J*, JHAS, or any other MRO besides Qantas have an equal amount of everything it takes to be a cohesive, professional workforce as those employed at QF.
However Ngineer made no comment about refueling
I did see JQ engineers with a large bucket and sump drain tool in their hands the other day.
My comment was supposed to counter Ngineers comments about fuel discrepancies.
Oh my god...I hope you were straight on the confidential hotline to CASA to report this earth shatteringly dangerous practice being carried out across the tarmac from your hallowed engineering ground. So this has never happened at QF?......I doubt that.
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Does everyone agree that this thread should be about QF engineering loosing JQ A330 work, and not about the abilities of Engineers?
One question? If QF were to repaint some JQ A320's with red tails, should JQ engineering hand them over to QF engineering?
One question? If QF were to repaint some JQ A320's with red tails, should JQ engineering hand them over to QF engineering?
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The issue with Jetstar is not the people but the system by which it has been created.
QF people like to be recognised for their toils aswell.
If our toils are being gifted to another and then told we are struggling what does anyone expect.
You have a premium carrier gifting its new aircraft to its LCC subsidiary whilst it keeps an aging fleet afloat.
Concerns also lie with flying LCC passengers on QF flights alongside those who paid a premium to have there aircraft checked at a higher level, to be fed, support when their aircraft goes tits up and other premium ticket privileges.
GSE equipment, Maintenance systems overheads etc etc.
The real fact do any 2350's (charge outs) ever get paid
It is sad to see an airline which can afford to pay its staff premium conditions be siphoned by the manipulation and greed of unbridled execs
bonus's and a somewhat dubious subsidiary carrier.
As most know this came within moments of destroying QANTAS, yet they are some how praised and idolised.
Why do so many stand by and smile while something so prosperous for all is being destroyed by something less robust, employs people on lesser conditions and fewer of them.
After all is the goal to be working poor ?
Why do we only ever see Jetstar adds now?
Common get real
Don't attack fellow workers when your being screwed by management.
QF people like to be recognised for their toils aswell.
If our toils are being gifted to another and then told we are struggling what does anyone expect.
You have a premium carrier gifting its new aircraft to its LCC subsidiary whilst it keeps an aging fleet afloat.
Concerns also lie with flying LCC passengers on QF flights alongside those who paid a premium to have there aircraft checked at a higher level, to be fed, support when their aircraft goes tits up and other premium ticket privileges.
GSE equipment, Maintenance systems overheads etc etc.
The real fact do any 2350's (charge outs) ever get paid
It is sad to see an airline which can afford to pay its staff premium conditions be siphoned by the manipulation and greed of unbridled execs
bonus's and a somewhat dubious subsidiary carrier.
As most know this came within moments of destroying QANTAS, yet they are some how praised and idolised.
Why do so many stand by and smile while something so prosperous for all is being destroyed by something less robust, employs people on lesser conditions and fewer of them.
After all is the goal to be working poor ?
Why do we only ever see Jetstar adds now?
Common get real
Don't attack fellow workers when your being screwed by management.
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Plenty of top QF lames jumped ship, don't hear too many regrets.
As for the vagaries of the QF maintenance system, i guess the JQ guys will catch on, hell, many a domestic brother are still struggling with fuel record forms and check sheets. Just takes time, eh.
Presumably the JQ boys will be getting the constant barrage of memos, bulletins, safety alerts and ammendments to digest. That could well be their greatest challenge.
If the knobheads would just stop messing with the system, everyones life at the coalface would be a hell of a lot easier.
As for the vagaries of the QF maintenance system, i guess the JQ guys will catch on, hell, many a domestic brother are still struggling with fuel record forms and check sheets. Just takes time, eh.
Presumably the JQ boys will be getting the constant barrage of memos, bulletins, safety alerts and ammendments to digest. That could well be their greatest challenge.
If the knobheads would just stop messing with the system, everyones life at the coalface would be a hell of a lot easier.
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Qf it's time to face the facts
Don't you guys from qf get it? The cost of your operation is now way out of step with all others. The public has now figured out that a box lunch is not worth $100 or more! All the others are growing at huge rates. What of qf domestic? You guys hide from competition ant this can only be to your long term detriment. Joyce has no choice but to back the best return. Safety is driven by casa regs. It is just rubbish to suggest that the others are cutting corners! Just look at the fleet age of qf 737s compares to dj tt or jq.
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Blind Freddy can see QF can't supply a lame for a price anywhere near the 'hacks', operators working out of utes, or even JQ with their NO man handling proceedures.
When they get burdened with the crap heaped onto QF lames the tables might be set more evenly. What sort of costs ride on the lames back associated with nonsense like that seen in the last couple of years
Du Pont know how
Amazing People
various consutants and pyramid schemes
Grand master organisers
Lighthouse groups
Marlin project
Bloated ohs depts.
Stategy maps, pillars etc
Qfutures
and all those little things like e-tools, nonsense courses, lifting, falling, drinking, phoning , spilling, crying, bashing. toolbox meetings, safety observations, networking, hugging, buggering. the list is endless.
management that just wastes money plain and simple like hiring hundreds of scabs at 200k to do nothing. Constantly creating new management levels.
How much does that add to the cost of a QF lame servicing aircraft?
When they get burdened with the crap heaped onto QF lames the tables might be set more evenly. What sort of costs ride on the lames back associated with nonsense like that seen in the last couple of years
Du Pont know how
Amazing People
various consutants and pyramid schemes
Grand master organisers
Lighthouse groups
Marlin project
Bloated ohs depts.
Stategy maps, pillars etc
Qfutures
and all those little things like e-tools, nonsense courses, lifting, falling, drinking, phoning , spilling, crying, bashing. toolbox meetings, safety observations, networking, hugging, buggering. the list is endless.
management that just wastes money plain and simple like hiring hundreds of scabs at 200k to do nothing. Constantly creating new management levels.
How much does that add to the cost of a QF lame servicing aircraft?
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The cost of your operation is now way out of step with all others