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Old 24th Jul 2010, 09:52
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The Aviation Tax

I started talking on this topic elsewhere, however, I think it should be a new thread, so I'll repeat what I said ...

Dick,

While you await the Government's reaction (knee-jerk or otherwise), I have a suggestion for you. While you're on a roll, why not use your considerable network of contacts and resources to push the Government on the real issue.

In this forum, you are often thwarted by the response ... "we'll work any type of airspace asked of us... provided the appropriate resources, equipment and training are provided".

One of the reasons that those goodies aren't forthcoming is that the Government virtually pilfers large amounts of money from the Industry annually and spirits it away into consolidated revenue... never to be seen by the Aviation sector again.

Most years the "dividend" paid to consolidated revenue has been around the $100M mark. Last financial year, during the GFC, ASA managed to get a raincheck from the Government.

The Airservces Australia Act 1995 Part 5, Division 3, Paragraph 53(3) states:

A service charge must be reasonably related to the expenses incurred or to be incurred by AA in relation to the matters to which the charge relates and must not be such as to amount to taxation
ASA consistently over charges the Industry by around $100m annually. This looks, sounds and smells like a tax to me. If not, then it's consistently dismal financial management.

Could you imagine how $100m a year could be used? Perhaps provide equipment and training to enable the Radar Approach rating of Tower Controllers. Perhaps fund the training of additional Controllers to man low level surveillance airspace?

Your current Tasmanian stir may get the Minister to decree that ATC must be provided for all Jet RPTs or similar. What will then happen is that ASA will say that they don't have the resources to do that ... but they'll include it in their forward planning.

My challenge to you is ... if you really want to make a difference and ensure there's available resources for new Airspace and ATC initiatives ... help us get our money back.
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Old 24th Jul 2010, 09:55
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The Minister, Mr Albanese, during his speech at Airservices' Waypoint 2010, had the cheek to claim that $800m paid by the us, the Industry, via Airnav charges was part of the Government's funding support of Aviation:

Investing in aviation infrastructure

The Government is also supporting vital investments in Australia's aviation infrastructure. Airservices' is investing $800 million in over 80 projects, and its ongoing investment in air traffic infrastructure and rescue and fire fighting services will bolster our great safety record.

I had great pleasure a fortnight ago to officially commission Airservices new $6 million fire station at Sunshine Coast Airport. This project is part of a $122 million to program to modernise aviation fire and rescue facilities at the nation's busiest airports.
Does anyone else find this a bit rich?
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Old 24th Jul 2010, 10:50
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If the Government gave the $100m back to the aviation industry it would have to put up other taxes to replace this loss from revenue.

I am happy to pay a higher tax but every politician tells me that most people are not.

Would you be happy to pay higher taxes so that AsA can operate without a payment to the Government?

Is there a list anywhere which shows how this $800 m is being spent?
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Old 24th Jul 2010, 11:56
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Dick,

It's really not hurting me (as it's the big boys providing most of ASA's income) ... but it's the principle.

So, as long as Qantas, VB, JQ, Tiger et al are happy to pay for Billy Bogan's unemployment benefit at Byron Bay ... and you're happy not to have blanket controlled airspace ... then I'm happy.

But don't come bleating to us when there's not enough resources to provide what you or the Airlines want.
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Old 24th Jul 2010, 16:54
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I am happy to pay a higher tax but every politician tells me that most people are not.
You should therefore get Smiths Dick to pay the taxes then.
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Old 25th Jul 2010, 07:00
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investments in Australia's aviation infrastructure
and Government in the same sentence is a strange combination.

Australia is a second world country when it comes to infrastructure. "User pays" would be great here its "pay but don't get any use as its not available due staff shortges".. etc
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 10:59
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If the Government gave the $100m back to the aviation industry it would have to put up other taxes to replace this loss from revenue.

I am happy to pay a higher tax but every politician tells me that most people are not.

Would you be happy to pay higher taxes so that AsA can operate without a payment to the Government?

Is there a list anywhere which shows how this $800 m is being spent?
This loss from revenue?????

Consolidated revenue takes a dividend as the sole shareholder of AirServices. Dividend...a return on investment?...why doesn't the sole shareholder INVEST in improving the business?
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Old 27th Jul 2010, 13:35
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It's called cost recovery. That means "not for profit", and no profits should flow to consolidated revenue.
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Old 28th Jul 2010, 01:01
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Slasher;

I was going to say something about your post above, but just read your public profile which proves it would be a futile exercise.
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Old 29th Jul 2010, 03:44
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Frank Arouet.....dunno what to say.....




um....





thank you?
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 00:50
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Aussie aviation infrastructue is a joke compared to the taxes & cost recovery we pay.

Again, today diversions willy nilly due fog (BNE/SYD) yet every diverting aircraft is CAT3B capable. For the price of a few primary school shade cloths (Govt. price not real price) we could have CAT3 at all major airports.

You are also hard put to find an alternate in the middle of the night for any resonably sized airliner due no RFF on duty.

What a joke.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 06:33
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Here is your taxpayer dollars at work. A person of great experience of dealing with whingers and malcontents.

When will everybody understand the process of investigating the organisation who employs you is cursed with a vested interest. This process delays any complaint to the Commonwealth Ombudsman who will not take your matter on board until you have exhausted every other means of resolving the problem. CASA, in this means delays your complaint until it is stale.

From the CASA blurb;

New face to handle complaints

CASA has a new Industry Complaints Commissioner. Elizabeth Hampton took over the key role last month with a goal of further enhancing the relationships between CASA and members of the aviation industry and wider community. Elizabeth has a legal background and joins CASA from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC). Prior to working for the ACCC she worked in the Office of the Commonwealth Ombudsman, developing complaint handling policies and procedures. Elizabeth also spent a number of years at Centrelink managing complaint handling, merits review and customer compensation matters. She says a well managed complaints system can help organisations identify problems with systems and processes. “There is great value in dealing with complaints quickly and thoroughly and as a government agency CASA must be accountable and unafraid of scrutiny,” Elizabeth says. “As I come from a non-aviation background I’m looking forward to getting to know lots of aviation people to learn as much as possible about this great industry.”The Industry Complaints Commissioner is dedicated to ensuring legitimate complaints about CASA officers, industry delegates and authorised persons are objectively considered, effectively addressed and fairly resolved in a timely fashion. The Industry Complaints Commissioner operates independently of CASA’s technical and operational line management, under the guidance and, where necessary, the direction of CASA’s Ethics and Conduct Committee. People with complaints about CASA are asked to try to resolve problems in the first instance with the CASA staff member or manager they have been dealing with. Where problems cannot be resolved they can then be easily taken to the Industry Complaints Commissioner.
CASA NEEDS MORE LAWYERS.
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Question

New face to handle complaints

CASA has a new Industry Complaints Commissioner. Elizabeth Hampton took over the key role last month with a goal of further enhancing the relationships between CASA and members of the aviation industry and wider community. Elizabeth has a legal background and joins CASA from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC). Prior to working for the ACCC she worked in the Office of the Commonwealth Ombudsman, developing complaint handling policies and procedures. Elizabeth also spent a number of years at Centrelink managing complaint handling, merits review and customer compensation matters. She says a well managed complaints system can help organisations identify problems with systems and processes. “There is great value in dealing with complaints quickly and thoroughly and as a government agency CASA must be accountable and unafraid of scrutiny,” Elizabeth says. “As I come from a non-aviation background I’m looking forward to getting to know lots of aviation people to learn as much as possible about this great industry.”The Industry Complaints Commissioner is dedicated to ensuring legitimate complaints about CASA officers, industry delegates and authorised persons are objectively considered, effectively addressed and fairly resolved in a timely fashion. The Industry Complaints Commissioner operates independently of CASA’s technical and operational line management, under the guidance and, where necessary, the direction of CASA’s Ethics and Conduct Committee. People with complaints about CASA are asked to try to resolve problems in the first instance with the CASA staff member or manager they have been dealing with. Where problems cannot be resolved they can then be easily taken to the Industry Complaints Commissioner.
Does the above also cover internal complaints ? From what I hear there are a number of internal staff with a number of legitimate legal claims who are taking action with a number of solicitors (external)........
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