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Bruce Buchanan rejects pilots union 'scaremongering'
Interesting quote:
The AFAP are quite comfortable with it, however the JPC which was set up to represent the interests of the Jetstar Pilot group has been part of it.
I just hope that the overseas members of the AFAP have not been able to have any input into the "comfort" factor felt by the AFAP.
Help yourselves lads, the enemy lies within.
Good luck.
Source: Bruce Buchanan rejects pilots union 'scaremongering' | The Australian
"They (the AFAP) are quite comfortable with it and the Jetstar Pilot Council, which is our employee representative body, has been part of it," he said.
I just hope that the overseas members of the AFAP have not been able to have any input into the "comfort" factor felt by the AFAP.
Help yourselves lads, the enemy lies within.
Good luck.
Source: Bruce Buchanan rejects pilots union 'scaremongering' | The Australian
BB thanks for the link and yes I did misunderstand 777s post (thanks for the crisp precis 777). To clear up further misunderstanding who negotiated that? Why are helicopter weights still in pounds? And I don't get what the 760% IFR allowance is all about.
What I find odd about Jetstars assertion that it is good for the pilots to be given opportunities to fly overseas with Jetstar, is that they were able to recruit plenty of expats who were overseas who did not want to be overseas any longer. Why do they think that pilots from here are going to rush o/s for less money than they are on now?
What I find odd about Jetstars assertion that it is good for the pilots to be given opportunities to fly overseas with Jetstar, is that they were able to recruit plenty of expats who were overseas who did not want to be overseas any longer. Why do they think that pilots from here are going to rush o/s for less money than they are on now?
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The AFAP are certainly not comfortable with it.
The JPC was definitely NOT a part of it.
While I do agree that the enemy lies within, this enemy is NOT any of the representative bodies of Jetstar pilots.
Don't fall for executive spin.
The JPC was definitely NOT a part of it.
While I do agree that the enemy lies within, this enemy is NOT any of the representative bodies of Jetstar pilots.
Don't fall for executive spin.
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slightly off topic
so does that mean everyone flying aust reg planes under casa rules for aust company are covered by the Air Pilots Modern Award 2010?
ie Jetstar nz
Jetstar needs a union to cover all its operations under one umbrella to provide collective bargaining power. No more part time pilots part time negotiators (no disrespect to previous union representatives
) Union negotiators with Law degrees and experience in dealing with quality of life slashing bonus banking managers.
Atleast start with Australian and New Zealand unionisation.
ie Jetstar nz
Jetstar needs a union to cover all its operations under one umbrella to provide collective bargaining power. No more part time pilots part time negotiators (no disrespect to previous union representatives
) Union negotiators with Law degrees and experience in dealing with quality of life slashing bonus banking managers. Atleast start with Australian and New Zealand unionisation.
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Jetstar NZ pilots, I believe, work for a NZ registered company. They pay income tax to the NZ IRD. They work under a contract that complies (I presume) with NZ labour laws. Australian unions get very little say in what goes on in other countries.
Why do you think they started JQNZ in the first place?
And yes, it is no secret that AIPA is on the phone to NZALPA.
Why do you think they started JQNZ in the first place?
And yes, it is no secret that AIPA is on the phone to NZALPA.
Jetstar is about to commence a new style of contract for new pilots within Australia. The new terms and conditions will be a deterioration to the present pilots EBA 2008 and will be offered firstly to Jetstar Asia and Jetstar New Zealand employees who may wish to transfer to Australia to take up promotion opportunities within Australia, possibly at the expense of those already on the Australian EBA.
After such discussion it is then reasonable to expect that your concerns would then be presented to management, backed by the solidarity of a professional workforce that are determined not to let the current conditions slip!
Its great to see a united front of pilots, concerned at the pay and conditions of new hires!
Good luck guys, I'm sure your concern and solidarity will prevail and this attempt at lowering the standards of tech crew in Australia will be cut off
(By the way my niece is about to graduate from high school and is keen on the Jetstar cadetship, if anyone has any pointers on the selection process any info would be much appreciated! PM me if you like. Any info much appreciated
)
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I once heard of an Indian airline who was treating their pilots quite badly. Apparently there was a very bad flu that went through the entire pilot group one day and all the aircraft were grounded. Terrible, I hope the pilots all recovered.
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Don't worry....Pay freeze and a reduced hours base with the Golden Carrot of extra flying hours pay and the one off, sign-off bonus will get the troops signing up. 
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With a few factors coming into play recently (Aus/NZ exchange rate, stalled EBA),
The kiwi JQ A320 contract is not looking so bad (relatively speaking):
New base salary now one year after ratification:
$180k + 4.5% super = $188,100 plus overtime at >65hrs of $172/hr (AUD)
$188,100 x 0.93 = 174,900k AUD (plus about $3500AUD in ZQN allowance)
EBA:
163,418 + 9.25% super = 178,500K AUD plus overtime >75 of $208/hr
The kiwi JQ A320 contract is not looking so bad (relatively speaking):
New base salary now one year after ratification:
$180k + 4.5% super = $188,100 plus overtime at >65hrs of $172/hr (AUD)
$188,100 x 0.93 = 174,900k AUD (plus about $3500AUD in ZQN allowance)
EBA:
163,418 + 9.25% super = 178,500K AUD plus overtime >75 of $208/hr
I reckon Jane's breathing a sigh of relief. After "cleverly" telling the JPC they should model their claims on the Tiger EA, the Tiger boys and girls then successfully negotiate a superior deal, putting serious egg on the face of the Jetstar CEO. Oops!
Then Joyce comes along shooting from the hip in all directions, and with the group wide pay freeze, provides a convenient out for her!
I mean fair dinkum! The only thing missing is the lion tamer!
Then Joyce comes along shooting from the hip in all directions, and with the group wide pay freeze, provides a convenient out for her!
I mean fair dinkum! The only thing missing is the lion tamer!