Jetstar pilot EBA dead
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Heard that there seems to be an email going around stating that pilots on hold file can expediate their employ with Jetstar by taking a position in NZ!
I would hope that pilots at this level will be smart and not do this, as I believe that this would pave the way for erroding of the EBA........
Can anyone an shed some further light on this?
I would hope that pilots at this level will be smart and not do this, as I believe that this would pave the way for erroding of the EBA........
Can anyone an shed some further light on this?
Have to agree with jibba jabba...
Given the insulting T&C's regarding a position in SIN on the A330, its unlikely any local crew will take up the offer, consequently no temp positions will come up in OZ, until more A320's arrive in the coming months. (Heard JQ Asia A320 pilots have looked at the A330 offer and said its less than what they're on!). Its JQ NZ offer all over again, raise it a little more next month and see who takes the bait...
Heard in NZ recently, quite a few flights have been cancelled due to lack of crew, so apparently there has been a requirement for upgrades for JQ NZ pilots. With these upgrades, availability for JQ NZ F/O's are now available. For those interested on these below average conditions beware, you cannot transfer from JQ NZ to JZ OZ onto better conditions, as average as they are. Find out from the local guys exactly what the flying rosters provide on the NZ contracts conditions before even thinking about applying.
Given the insulting T&C's regarding a position in SIN on the A330, its unlikely any local crew will take up the offer, consequently no temp positions will come up in OZ, until more A320's arrive in the coming months. (Heard JQ Asia A320 pilots have looked at the A330 offer and said its less than what they're on!). Its JQ NZ offer all over again, raise it a little more next month and see who takes the bait...
Heard in NZ recently, quite a few flights have been cancelled due to lack of crew, so apparently there has been a requirement for upgrades for JQ NZ pilots. With these upgrades, availability for JQ NZ F/O's are now available. For those interested on these below average conditions beware, you cannot transfer from JQ NZ to JZ OZ onto better conditions, as average as they are. Find out from the local guys exactly what the flying rosters provide on the NZ contracts conditions before even thinking about applying.
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Heard in NZ recently, quite a few flights have been cancelled due to lack of crew
JQ had to delay a departure ex NZ for AUS pre dawn till after morning twilight due crew not night recent!!
Sounds like an exceptional operation !!
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Within this group the modus operandi was to undercut and oversee the demise of one regional airline followed by the undermining of another airline.
Which regional airlines demise was that ?
I suggest you do a tad more research there digger, actually here's a hint for you.
There was a certain QF Regional airline that operated a small fleet of Dash8's and BAe 146's. It was very lean/efficient and profitable. The turnover of crews, both Tech and Cabin was nigh on zero because there was job progression, people were treated decently and respected, and the lifestyle was second to none. Still haven't figured it out??
Southern Australia Airlines!! RIP.
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Within this group the modus operandi was to undercut and oversee the demise of one regional airline followed by the undermining of another airline.
Which regional airlines demise was that ?
I suggest you do a tad more research there digger, actually here's a hint for you.
There was a certain QF Regional airline that operated a small fleet of Dash8's and BAe 146's. It was very lean/efficient and profitable. The turnover of crews, both Tech and Cabin was nigh on zero because there was job progression, people were treated decently and respected, and the lifestyle was second to none. Still haven't figured it out??
Southern Australia Airlines!! RIP.
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"I would hope that pilots at this level will be smart and not do this, as I believe that this would pave the way for erroding of the EBA........"
Sadly there will always be those who'll take the poor contract (NZ IEA). Either to get a start, return to their homeland or get Command.
The EBA FOs taking LWOP, get a command and return back to Oz when they can, probably do more to erode the EBA than any one else.
"I would hope that pilots at this level will be smart and not do this, as I believe that this would pave the way for erroding of the EBA........"
Sadly there will always be those who'll take the poor contract (NZ IEA). Either to get a start, return to their homeland or get Command.
The EBA FOs taking LWOP, get a command and return back to Oz when they can, probably do more to erode the EBA than any one else.
I don't work for an airline at present but I am trying to understand why guys on the current EBA are willing to sacrifice long term pay for a quicker command? Can you really not wait the extra year or whatever it is?
The short term benefits of a quicker command can't possibly outweigh the long term benefits of better remuneration can they? I can understand if you want to live out your days in NZ (actually no I can't) but apart from that it just doesn't seem to make long term financial sense.
Doesn't make sense to me, but like I said, I'm from the outside looking in.
The short term benefits of a quicker command can't possibly outweigh the long term benefits of better remuneration can they? I can understand if you want to live out your days in NZ (actually no I can't) but apart from that it just doesn't seem to make long term financial sense.
Doesn't make sense to me, but like I said, I'm from the outside looking in.
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Some guys will take the quick command because they are planning to move to greener pastures (good luck with that 
) & it is smarter (some would say essential) to do that as a captain, rather than as an F/O.
) & it is smarter (some would say essential) to do that as a captain, rather than as an F/O.
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Unfortunately some guys will not get a command for more like 5-7 years , and some will never live in their homes with their families to get a reasonable basing.
These things cannot wait and unfortunately the company can use this to generate larger profits. Rejecting a command to wait for unity is long gone. AIPA was too slow off the mark and busy wasting money attacking things that really were irrelevent.(deliberately I feel) AIPA is only in Jetstar to get QF pilots a job if they all of a sudden need one, this will again be at the expense of JQ f/os upgrades, yet they follow like lost sheep.
Good luck........
These things cannot wait and unfortunately the company can use this to generate larger profits. Rejecting a command to wait for unity is long gone. AIPA was too slow off the mark and busy wasting money attacking things that really were irrelevent.(deliberately I feel) AIPA is only in Jetstar to get QF pilots a job if they all of a sudden need one, this will again be at the expense of JQ f/os upgrades, yet they follow like lost sheep.
Good luck........
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Looks like workchoices all around. Save your money boys dump the union, the only payrises now will be the saving in fees...
Looks like workchoices all around. Save your money boys dump the union, the only payrises now will be the saving in fees...
but on a lighter note.........anyone been called up for a Jetstar Oz ground school??
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Don't know how that's possible?
The people on hold might be a little disappointed when they find out they are going to be offered an employment agreement outside the EBA.
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That's what I'm wondering too. Have tried to find out what Australian legislation there is to stop it but can't find any. It's not really individual agreements, just another group agreement??
I heard that their FAs were in the same boat. ie they had an EBA with Jetstar but in an effort to drive down the $$, the company then started employing them outside on a separate agreement (on lesser conditions).
Sounds sadly like any new pilots will be facing a simillar situation.
I heard that their FAs were in the same boat. ie they had an EBA with Jetstar but in an effort to drive down the $$, the company then started employing them outside on a separate agreement (on lesser conditions).
Sounds sadly like any new pilots will be facing a simillar situation.
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Heard the new F/O contract has no endorsement costs . No day off payments. Overtime at 80 hours. base pay 50 k till 1 year from check to line. increasing 5 k per year until reaching 100k upper limit.
super at 9% of base pay only. No bonuses.leave 6 weeks .
super at 9% of base pay only. No bonuses.leave 6 weeks .
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Heard the new F/O contract has no endorsement costs . No day off payments. Overtime at 80 hours. base pay 50 k till 1 year from check to line. increasing 5 k per year until reaching 100k upper limit.
super at 9% of base pay only. No bonuses.leave 6 weeks .
Heard the new F/O contract has no endorsement costs . No day off payments. Overtime at 80 hours. base pay 50 k till 1 year from check to line. increasing 5 k per year until reaching 100k upper limit.
super at 9% of base pay only. No bonuses.leave 6 weeks .
my god, i could earn better money being a P.A , labourer, bank teller..... pffff
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A mate's friend's mother's cousin's distant relative's cat told me blah blah blah. They can't do it. Even if they start a new entity the bottom line is called the MODERN AWARD. If they try to go below that ... well they'll be in deep doo doo with the workplace ombudsman. Ignorance is not bliss ... its slavery in this instance. Wake up pilots!
A mate's friend's mother's cousin's distant relative's cat told me blah blah blah. They can't do it. Even if they start a new entity the bottom line is called the MODERN AWARD. If they try to go below that ... well they'll be in deep doo doo with the workplace ombudsman. Ignorance is not bliss ... its slavery in this instance. Wake up pilots!
They are not changing the Award, that is the sneaky bit they are starting a new "Company" and you work for that entity on the conditions of that Company. Dixon stated when Jetstar was started that no Mainline pilot will be required to take a paycut or a reduction in conditions BUT the fine print was if you want that command then you have to sign on to the "new" conditions.
If the Court Case regarding Jetconnect does not succeed then it will be the new Workchoices. The only way to change it will be through legislation which will be a long slow process and more than likely not retrospective.
It would be naive to think that they won't get anyone to sign up to the "new" award.
If the Court Case regarding Jetconnect does not succeed then it will be the new Workchoices. The only way to change it will be through legislation which will be a long slow process and more than likely not retrospective.
It would be naive to think that they won't get anyone to sign up to the "new" award.
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Lookleft, I think you may misunderstand what bo777 is saying. Any entity employing pilots must have as minimum the Air Pilots Award 2010 [pdf]. If another entity employs pilots, yes the Jetstar EBA is dead, but the Air Pilots award will still be the minimum. The race to the bottom is over.
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Sorry mate you're talking crap. The bottom line minimum wage, T&C's are outlined in the Air Pilots Modern Award 2010(feel free to look it up sometime). Current J* pilots are on a specific industry award atm. Any pilot based on less than the conditions outlined in the Air pilots award needs to contact the union and workplace ombudsman ASAP. Sorry was still writing when BB posted. What BB said.
Sorry mate you're talking crap. The bottom line minimum wage, T&C's are outlined in the Air Pilots Modern Award 2010(feel free to look it up sometime). Current J* pilots are on a specific industry award atm. Any pilot based on less than the conditions outlined in the Air pilots award needs to contact the union and workplace ombudsman ASAP. Sorry was still writing when BB posted. What BB said.