Jetstar pilot EBA dead
 

Around 6 weeks ago, Jetstar cancelled the courses of around 15 pilot new hires to the Australian EBA, many of these guys had already resigned from their jobs.

This morning we found out why:

Jetstar is about to commence a new style of contract for new pilots within Australia. The new terms and conditions will be a deterioration to the present pilots EBA 2008 and will be offered firstly to Jetstar Asia and Jetstar New Zealand employees who may wish to transfer to Australia to take up promotion opportunities within Australia, possibly at the expense of those already on the Australian EBA.

For current employees of Jetstar Australia, promotion and transfer opportunities may well become very difficult indeed! This is because once again, seniority is only "a major consideration" for promotional opportunities or transfers.

For anyone considering the cadetship, think very carefully before signing the dotted line.

This mob are the cancer of our "profession".:yuk:

Pretty soon we're going to have to pass the collection plate down the aisle in order to 'buy' a coffee before descending into a dark stormy airport.

Do pax really want their pilots stressing about how to meet their mortgage repayments while trying to carry out an instrument approach?...

Did Michael O'Leary secretly slip into Jetstar management while you guys were'nt looking :confused:

They continue to lead the race to the bottom, uncontested.:hmm:

Unfortunately this is a case of reap what you sow. Ultimately, the only beneficiaries will be those on bonuses. People can't claim they weren't told...

This may be a stupid question, but on what grounds would non Australian residents be allowed to work for Jetstar Australia? In Australia Im assuming?

If they hold Aussie or NZ passports or other suitable visa. Plenty of Jetstar Asia pilots are Aussies who might like to come home (yes, being pedantic about difference between residents and those with rights to residency).

UTR

It won't be non oz residents.
It will be oz pilots working in these countries that want to come home.
And Jetstar NZ pilots who want to come and work in OZ.
The maggot who runs this airline will stop at nothing until here completely destroys our profession (although we a good at that ourselves), until the Jetstar OZ pilots stand up and be heard and tell this prick that they will no longer take it up the arse, we are all screwed!

What a great industry....

LJS... I've been worrying about that for years!

Folks,
Last time I noticed, "pilots" were on the 457 visa list. We are not short of examples of 457 visa employees displacing Australian citizens in jobs. In particular, quite a few South African pilots have been coming in on 457 visa.
Tootle pip!!

It just gets better!! And the worst thing is that there will be those saying "Yes, pick me pick me!!I'm happy with your new contract, sign me up!!"

Will we ever learn??

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At the end of the day it will be the choice of the employee. If he is prepared to accept, be prepared for the bitching that will occur when they see you on a different scale.

Maybe the JPC need to wise up and seek some advice on behalf of their members, but unfortunately the group is so fragmented and disunited there is a snow flake in hell chance of it ever changing!

Mr.Buchanan has played a master stroke in industrial relations on a splintered group of individuals, welcome to the new frontier!

Maybe more Jetstar pilots should be looking towards AIPA... There is currently a very good proportion signed up, but I doubt AFAP will be of any use in trying to fight this.

Pilots are off the 457 list.......happened last year.....the whole thing was reviewed and they were taken off.

These jokers (Pornstar) and their cheapskate competitors all play on the fact that the majority of pilots WILL AT ANY COST take a sideways pineapple to fly their nice shiny jets.

A 3000 hour pilot says NO WAY, a 2000 hour pilot may say yes. No MAY about it... They clearly have no 'minimum' requirements (read Cadetship), or was it an apprenticeship, the pay certainly is fitting...

WHEN will we reach the bottom? :sad:

Ok I am a prospective pilot for jetstar (Australia),

however, what I would like to know is if anyone can put up the EBA so we can see the terms and conditions so that we know if we are jumping from the "frying pan into the fire" so to speak.

pm me if you need to send it, but i reccomend that you upload it via "rapid share".

thanks in advance!

I am confused. You guys are still covered by an EBA under the laws of the country aren't you? Those laws actually let you DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS rather than simply whingeing about it and capitulating?

Virgin started the rot with 'low cost' wages, but this mob really is leading the race to the bottom. An absolute disgrace. :yuk:

Thats exactly right. At a time when airlines have started re-hiring they have lowered the bar in regards to T&C's yet everyone still jumps at it. Don't blame airline management for playing you guys for a fool, they're just out there to increase their bonus's. They couldn't give a rats a$$ if you can't pay your mortgage or if you worked 10yrs to get there.
Who wants to pay for a rating.... Pick me :ugh:
Who would like to pay to join the cadet scheme then work for bugger all and possibly be bankrupt because i want to fly,but not a little cessna thingy... Pick me :ugh:
Who still wants to fly a jet, do the same job as all the pilots hired several months ahead of you but get paid a lot less... Pick me. :ugh:

Pilots will only work together to have a winge on PPrune. :D

Welcome to Europe.
Ryanair and Easyjet (Ryanair in particular) started this nonsense, I guess it was only a matter of time before it started to filter down under.
In the UK under normal circumstances there would be between 250-300 jobs per year for pilots, this is against a nominal figure of roughly 1200 pilots coming out of the sausage factories, so about 900 per year never made it, period. With these "new" schemes it gives these 900 wannabes a glimmer of hope of employment, and most will stop at nothing to sit in the right hand seat. I would imagine this scenario would hit Australia even harder than Europe purely because it is much more difficult to "get into the system" over there, thus making these people even more determined to undertake such "schemes".
The other problem, which is a problem we face over here is the fact that the very people who could make a stand are the pilots within, unfortunately, as with over here is that most of them are sat fat, dumb and happy in their job and this "cancer" doesn't affect them, so they are not willing to stand up against it.

Good luck chaps.