jetstar moving Aussie jobs offshore?
A US research group identified the following in a study of outsourcing by US companies.
Not to mention the detrimental effects on morale and engagement in remaining staff who have just seen a whole department sacked. When will it be their turn?
* Nearly 50% of outsourced projects fail outright, or fail to meet expectations
* 76% of companies said that vendor management effort and costs were much higher than expected
* 30% reported ongoing issues with outsourcer management processes (e.g., inadequate governance and conflict resolution procedures)
* 51% reported that outsourcer was not performing to expectations
* 76% of companies said that vendor management effort and costs were much higher than expected
* 30% reported ongoing issues with outsourcer management processes (e.g., inadequate governance and conflict resolution procedures)
* 51% reported that outsourcer was not performing to expectations
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The The, the only flaw in your argument is that poor outcomes occur in the long term, not necessarily in the next reporting period for the purposes of bonus calculations. See the issue?
To put it into perspective, 75% of Jetstar's ports are in Asia.
In Asia, it's main LCC competitors are Air Asia & Tiger Airways.... who's majority of staff are located ... in Asia ...and paid ... in Asian.
It's difficult to fault Jetstar's move.
In Asia, it's main LCC competitors are Air Asia & Tiger Airways.... who's majority of staff are located ... in Asia ...and paid ... in Asian.
It's difficult to fault Jetstar's move.
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BINGO!, Transmit business,offshore,downsize,capsize?
No wonder the Qantas Sale Act is a dirty word amongst Qantas/Jetstar Management. Is this why Team Bazza so unceremoniously dumped said case? Couldn't risk any impediment to the "business plan", could we!
Mav, what's the name of that truck driving school again?
No wonder the Qantas Sale Act is a dirty word amongst Qantas/Jetstar Management. Is this why Team Bazza so unceremoniously dumped said case? Couldn't risk any impediment to the "business plan", could we!
Mav, what's the name of that truck driving school again?
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Originally Posted by Metro Man
There are advantages though, I'm having dental work done in Bangkok at one third of what an Australian dentist would charge.
Interesting that there are many critical posts on this board re QF outsourcing maintenance to Asia, and yet folk are happy to get cheap Asian dental work.
Flying to Bangkok or wherever, of course.
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You need to be very careful where you go for dental work in Asia. Whilst in Australia you can be assured of a minimum standard, excepting the odd one or two that slip through, same doesn't apply over here. Believe me you don't want a backstreet dentist in Bangkok, forged qualifications, poor infection control and counterfeit materials will make you regret it.
Basically you are looking for an established clinic, with modern facilities, in a good area of town. Dentists with foreign qualifications and a waiting room full of overseas patients, preferably on return visits complete the picture.
This link Bangkok Dental Cost Comparison - Hub of Bangkok Dental Clinic Thailand provides a guide to clinics catering to foreigners.
I had work done and was delighted at the cost being only a third of what it would have been in Australia. Then I found that site and discovered the place I went to was the most expensive one for the procedure I had done and I could have saved considerably more.
Still having been treated by a specialist with a Masters degree from the University of Queensland using modern equipment probably accounts for the extra.
It pays to do your research preferably talk to someone who has been to the clinic you are interested in. Usually no problem getting appointments so why not arrive a day or two early and check out your short list before committing.
I'm sure you can find examples of people who are in Bangkok to have problems sorted out that were caused by dentists in their home countries.
I'm very happy with the standard of work I've been getting over the last few years. Presently I'm having problems sorted out which were caused by a western dentist who should never have been allowed to hold a drill. My previous dentist in Australia commented on the poor quality of the work he had done. As a result I'm very fussy about who works on my teeth.
Basically you are looking for an established clinic, with modern facilities, in a good area of town. Dentists with foreign qualifications and a waiting room full of overseas patients, preferably on return visits complete the picture.
This link Bangkok Dental Cost Comparison - Hub of Bangkok Dental Clinic Thailand provides a guide to clinics catering to foreigners.
I had work done and was delighted at the cost being only a third of what it would have been in Australia. Then I found that site and discovered the place I went to was the most expensive one for the procedure I had done and I could have saved considerably more.
Still having been treated by a specialist with a Masters degree from the University of Queensland using modern equipment probably accounts for the extra.It pays to do your research preferably talk to someone who has been to the clinic you are interested in. Usually no problem getting appointments so why not arrive a day or two early and check out your short list before committing.
I'm sure you can find examples of people who are in Bangkok to have problems sorted out that were caused by dentists in their home countries.
I'm very happy with the standard of work I've been getting over the last few years. Presently I'm having problems sorted out which were caused by a western dentist who should never have been allowed to hold a drill. My previous dentist in Australia commented on the poor quality of the work he had done. As a result I'm very fussy about who works on my teeth.
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Didn't someone on this forum say that Jetstar Asia flight crew get an overall better package ex SIN than in Australia?
Anyway I doubt that wages are everything. Singaporeans are paid triple what Malaysians are paid and probably 10 times more what Indonesians are paid. If wages were the be all and end all, every company operating in Singapore would have moved out by now. I mean just across the causeway, (its barely 2km long) the rents are 1/3 that of SIngapore, the labour costs are a third too.....
However, Australia does have the among the highest wages in the world especially for semi to unskilled work (though the average grad salary in SIN after 5 years of work, post tax is probably better than Australia)
I think the SIN cabin crew base operate almost like casual crew. The base pay is S$1000 then they only earn when they fly. If they don't fly they don't earn. And seeing as SQ cabin crew can earn very good money, and they are the benchmark, I don't think Tiger and Jetstar can greatly undercut SQ's cabin crew wages by all that much.
Anyway I doubt that wages are everything. Singaporeans are paid triple what Malaysians are paid and probably 10 times more what Indonesians are paid. If wages were the be all and end all, every company operating in Singapore would have moved out by now. I mean just across the causeway, (its barely 2km long) the rents are 1/3 that of SIngapore, the labour costs are a third too.....
However, Australia does have the among the highest wages in the world especially for semi to unskilled work (though the average grad salary in SIN after 5 years of work, post tax is probably better than Australia)
I think the SIN cabin crew base operate almost like casual crew. The base pay is S$1000 then they only earn when they fly. If they don't fly they don't earn. And seeing as SQ cabin crew can earn very good money, and they are the benchmark, I don't think Tiger and Jetstar can greatly undercut SQ's cabin crew wages by all that much.
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Jetstar are going to bring in pilots from NZ, SING and Vietnam to work for a new Jetstar Group company within OZ.
All future growth aircraft into OZ will be offered to anyone from these company's as well as existing jetstar eba pilots...but not on the eba
The winner to the race to the bottom is about to be announced.....
OF COURSE.........ITS JETSTAR!!!!!!!!!!
Jetstar are going to bring in pilots from NZ, SING and Vietnam to work for a new Jetstar Group company within OZ.
All future growth aircraft into OZ will be offered to anyone from these company's as well as existing jetstar eba pilots...but not on the eba
The winner to the race to the bottom is about to be announced.....
OF COURSE.........ITS JETSTAR!!!!!!!!!!
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"MERIT BASED" very progressive and forward thinking. Who would have thought that one can be promoted or advance because they are good at what they do. What is the world coming to
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Yes, goodness knows it's such a simple thing to rank the 200+ F/Os eligible for promotion in terms of merit from 1-200. So what's the secret Ndicho Moja? How do airlines do this? After everyone has been an F/O for a couple of years and meets the 'experience' criteria, how do you differentiate 200 people all doing the same the same job when they all meet the objective assessments (CAO limits for license renewals).
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The company CAN and WILL do what ever it wants
Just wait until things go gangbusters again, we will see who really is smart and who is a smartar5e.
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Keg... The third most "junior" FO in Jetsar is a fella i used to work with up here, 3 months ago he was a very experienced A330/340 Captain in EK. I beleive people on his course were flying light twins 3 months ago. In the case of Jetstar it is very easy to sort out numbers 1 to 200. I take your point in the case of long established carriers like Qantas.
Ranking the 200 F/Os
Actually it's not that hard, because you're realy only trying to sort out the top few for promotion, not order the whole list.
One way would be to score everyone every so often (check ride, sim session?) as "1" to "5" where "1" is "cleared for promotion" and "5" is "why are we still employing this liability?". Then you need some more detailed reporting on the "1"s. Don't care about the "2" through "4" guys n gals, but maybe any "5"s need some extra training.
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One way would be to score everyone every so often (check ride, sim session?) as "1" to "5" where "1" is "cleared for promotion" and "5" is "why are we still employing this liability?". Then you need some more detailed reporting on the "1"s. Don't care about the "2" through "4" guys n gals, but maybe any "5"s need some extra training.
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In theory good, however, most places won't award 1's or 5's. Simply because, and I quote, "No-one gets a 5, because no-one is perfect". Nobody gets a 1 either, because that would mean exactly what you said. Why are they still here? So, now you have to rank the vast majority, (4's, 3's at least) anyway, as Keg said.