Emirates to recruit 700 pilots in next 18 months
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Emirates to recruit 700 pilots in next 18 months
After largely closing its doors to new recruits during the 2009 downturn, Emirates plans to hire more than 700 pilots over the next 18 months to support new routes and aircraft.
The airline has embarked on a recruitment roadshow that will take in much of Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas. It kicked off on 4 June in Madrid, one of six new destinations this year. It has already begun services from Dubai to Tokyo and Amsterdam, with Prague, Baghdad and Dakar to follow.
Emirates - which has a 147-strong fleet with six aircraft due to arrive this year, part of 144 on order - traditionally recruits only first officers.
Capt Alan Stealey, divisional senior vice-president flight operations, says Emirates is recruiting at a time when much of the industry is cutting back. The airline recently took delivery of its ninth Airbus A380 and will accept number 10 within days.
"That's two giant aircraft to staff in the space of a fortnight," he says. "By the end of the year we will have recruited more than 250 pilots. Next year, we're looking to double that figure and recruit 500."
http://http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/06/03/342734/emirates-to-recruit-700-pilots-in-next-18-months.html
The airline has embarked on a recruitment roadshow that will take in much of Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas. It kicked off on 4 June in Madrid, one of six new destinations this year. It has already begun services from Dubai to Tokyo and Amsterdam, with Prague, Baghdad and Dakar to follow.
Emirates - which has a 147-strong fleet with six aircraft due to arrive this year, part of 144 on order - traditionally recruits only first officers.
Capt Alan Stealey, divisional senior vice-president flight operations, says Emirates is recruiting at a time when much of the industry is cutting back. The airline recently took delivery of its ninth Airbus A380 and will accept number 10 within days.
"That's two giant aircraft to staff in the space of a fortnight," he says. "By the end of the year we will have recruited more than 250 pilots. Next year, we're looking to double that figure and recruit 500."
http://http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/06/03/342734/emirates-to-recruit-700-pilots-in-next-18-months.html
one of six new destinations this year
The premium market is supposedly picking up and for the first time in the last 3 years, Qantas may have some excess capacity available when the next A380s arrive. So what's the big picture plan? Retire 400s to the desert, leave many, many mainline pilots sitting around on assigned leave, set up a new (even cheaper no doubt) low-cost operation in Singapore to fly low-cost operations to Europe and hire cadets for Jetstar.
Unbelievable!!!!!
Unfortunately Shark Patrol QF is poorly geographically positioned as opposed to Emirates. QF are really only looking at an Australian market as opposed to Emirates who can take you from one part of the world to the other. Emirates open Madrid and they can offer flights from all of Asia and Australia and Africa connecting to the Madrid flight. QF are not going be able to expand like that.
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It may be worthwhile updating the CV and submitting an application especially
if you are employed by VA. With the impending reduction in flying and therfore a surplus of crews it may be one of the only options available.
if you are employed by VA. With the impending reduction in flying and therfore a surplus of crews it may be one of the only options available.
I'd urge anyone looking to apply for Emirates to check the Middle East section of this forum for news and information. It makes for excellent reading. The money may look good in AUD, but Dubai isn't all sugar and spice.
Cheers,
Showa.
Cheers,
Showa.
How do they crew their larger aircraft in regards to a second officers?
Do they use FOs, cadets or what??
Do they use FOs, cadets or what??
Three crew is 1 Captain, 2 F/Os.
We recently got approval to crew 4 man crews as one Captain 3 f/os, but for ops flexability still crew all ULR (JFK,LAX,SFO,IAH,YYZ and GRU) 2 Captains, 2 F/Os
I'd urge anyone looking to apply for Emirates to check the Middle East section of this forum for news and information. It makes for excellent reading. The money may look good in AUD, but Dubai isn't all sugar and spice.
It's not as good as it was, but it's still a good package.
Ah yes Wizofoz but to get even a third pilot, your EK crew has to fly a LOT longer than anyone else. Otherwise it's TWO pilots. Back of clock sectors, both ways on some trips, NINE hours plus. TWO pilots. Enjoy fellas.....
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Why bother going on a roadshow...just go to the 'ol U.S...should be able to draw a sizeable crowd in the outer carpark of LAX..
..in fact if they offer hot soup and bread long queues of veteren jet pilots will begin to form quickly in most cities!
..in fact if they offer hot soup and bread long queues of veteren jet pilots will begin to form quickly in most cities!
Ah yes Wizofoz but to get even a third pilot, your EK crew has to fly a LOT longer than anyone else. Otherwise it's TWO pilots. Back of clock sectors, both ways on some trips, NINE hours plus. TWO pilots. Enjoy fellas.....
It's almost identical to the exemption to CAO 48 I used to fly under at Ansett, EXCEPT we could do 1000hrs/year under that, while we are limited to 900 here.
Much more restrictive than US. Canadian or most other European FTL schemes.
Yes, there are night trips and they are no fun- they very much remind me of the BOC SYD-PER-SYD trips that made up 80% of my flying for 4 years as a 767 FO at Ansett, or the three-in-a-row night trips to Greece I used to do flying Charter in the UK.
But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.....
Wiz,
You seem to be one of the more level-headed respondents wrt the ME. What would be the attraction of a domestic Oz pilot to Emirates? (I say that considering the relatively high mins required for Emirates) What promotion prospects? Any hint at all of Oz basings for Mrats bograts?
Cheers
You seem to be one of the more level-headed respondents wrt the ME. What would be the attraction of a domestic Oz pilot to Emirates? (I say that considering the relatively high mins required for Emirates) What promotion prospects? Any hint at all of Oz basings for Mrats bograts?
Cheers
Wiz of oz is full of ****.
Our FTL is the loosest on earth. E.G ICN - DXB pushing 10 hours flight time. Depart midnight. sign on 1 hour before departure, except you really start
1 hr 45 mins before departure. Discretion ( I never do ) extensions of duty, annex 1. That is just one flight.
The package is average. It is defiantly not worth leaving the best country on earth for. The cost of DXB is very high. The package will increase in the near future. The new recruits are not up to par, we need 700 good guys and gals, ie
you lot for one, they will start to pay for quality again soon.
I don't want to be all negative. Good route structure, excellent flight crew to work with, decent roster bidding, and good lifestyle to see your mates. You will work for your money, and some of the back of the clock flying is nothing like your used to at home.
Good luck, think long and hard, do your research, and if at the roadshow ask if what you read in the mid-east forum is true.
PS to answer a question above. NEVER EVER Basings anywhere. EK would not get away with most things if unions were involved. In DXB they have absolute Power over you.
Our FTL is the loosest on earth. E.G ICN - DXB pushing 10 hours flight time. Depart midnight. sign on 1 hour before departure, except you really start
1 hr 45 mins before departure. Discretion ( I never do ) extensions of duty, annex 1. That is just one flight.
The package is average. It is defiantly not worth leaving the best country on earth for. The cost of DXB is very high. The package will increase in the near future. The new recruits are not up to par, we need 700 good guys and gals, ie
you lot for one, they will start to pay for quality again soon.
I don't want to be all negative. Good route structure, excellent flight crew to work with, decent roster bidding, and good lifestyle to see your mates. You will work for your money, and some of the back of the clock flying is nothing like your used to at home.
Good luck, think long and hard, do your research, and if at the roadshow ask if what you read in the mid-east forum is true.
PS to answer a question above. NEVER EVER Basings anywhere. EK would not get away with most things if unions were involved. In DXB they have absolute Power over you.
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I personally know about 5 ex VB Captains who went chasing the widebody dream and greener pastures a few years ago. ALL are trying to get back to VB as EMB FO's just to get back to oz. As someone said do your research carefully. Anyone who knows about EK will tell you the golden days are long gone.
Wiz of oz is full of ****.
Our FTL is the loosest on earth.
Our FTL is the loosest on earth.
ICN is a ball-breaking trip. It would also be legal under British, US, Canadian and the Australian exemption some airlines operate under.
Ansett used to do Tokyo-Sydney, BOC in both the 767 and 747. 11hrs at some times of the year.
Under the US FARs a two man crew can do a 16hr, unlimited sector day after an 8hr rest period.
Our FTLs allow rosters that are very tiring. They are imperfect and being pushed to the limit.
But making statements like "Loosest on Earth" (ignoring the fact you were needlessly insulting as well as plain wrong) is the sort of stupid, exagerated, hysterical hyperbola that makes so much of our proffestion look like spoilt school girls.
If you like, I'll PM you my mobile and I'm more than happy to discuss how "Full of ****" I am in person.
Motley,
Thank you for your level-headed
response. It would be interesting to know why VB Captains no less, allegedly have moved to Dubai and now wish to return. The golden age of aviation appears to have passed in many countries including Australia.
Thank you for your level-headed
response. It would be interesting to know why VB Captains no less, allegedly have moved to Dubai and now wish to return. The golden age of aviation appears to have passed in many countries including Australia.
Anyone who joins EK with a view to one day getting a basing ANYWHERE EXCEPT DUBAI is joining under a complete delusion. Company policy is NO BASINGS...PERIOD! (NB this may one day be revisited if there is a complete change of Senior Management, but EK is an integral part of DXB Inc-that means recycling Money with TOTAL AND COMPLETE control. Unions , or indeed organised labour, are illegal).
At present the seniority list stops somewhere North of 2300. Normal attrition is approximately 2-3%. If you joined now with any idea that you will have a Command within 8-10 years you are again delusional-or unable to compute simple arithmatic! If you took a long term view, and keeping in mind that proviso for D.E.C's still exists, and want to see the world then come and have a look. It IS great experience, and most guys you work with are great: although as far as the pilots go staff disengagement is TOTAL; but bloody hard work with multiple back of the clock 11hr plus duties, plus huge East/West Time Zone changes on a weekly basis (B777).
Finally, this is the Middle East-it is VERY DIFFERENT, you have NO right to challenge or question anything the company does: I will repeat that: You have NO right to challenge!!!. Your contract pertains to the bond only, all other conditions are subject to change at the Company's whim, and the changes are non-contestable. Look at the Middle East Forums to see how things have degraded in the last few years. Come here with your eyes wide open. Whatever you choose, ultimately it is your decision, they don't make you sign on. Caveat Emptor.
At present the seniority list stops somewhere North of 2300. Normal attrition is approximately 2-3%. If you joined now with any idea that you will have a Command within 8-10 years you are again delusional-or unable to compute simple arithmatic! If you took a long term view, and keeping in mind that proviso for D.E.C's still exists, and want to see the world then come and have a look. It IS great experience, and most guys you work with are great: although as far as the pilots go staff disengagement is TOTAL; but bloody hard work with multiple back of the clock 11hr plus duties, plus huge East/West Time Zone changes on a weekly basis (B777).
Finally, this is the Middle East-it is VERY DIFFERENT, you have NO right to challenge or question anything the company does: I will repeat that: You have NO right to challenge!!!. Your contract pertains to the bond only, all other conditions are subject to change at the Company's whim, and the changes are non-contestable. Look at the Middle East Forums to see how things have degraded in the last few years. Come here with your eyes wide open. Whatever you choose, ultimately it is your decision, they don't make you sign on. Caveat Emptor.
You seem to be one of the more level-headed respondents wrt the ME. What would be the attraction of a domestic Oz pilot to Emirates? (I say that considering the relatively high mins required for Emirates) What promotion prospects? Any hint at all of Oz basings for Mrats bograts?
As you can see, being "level headed" is akin to being a heretic with some at EK!
It's very much up to the individual as to whether coming here would be a good move. From a financial standpoint you are probably going to do better in the long run than the likes of J* or Tiger, but money isn't everything.
Command probably 5 or 6 years for someone joining now.
Lifestyle? Definatley not a laid-back existence like Aus. The driving is crazy, service is hit-and-miss and during summer it is just STUPID hot.
It is, however, an interesting look at how the world works, the machines are nice and the destinations second to none.
Were I currently a VB 737 Captain, I wouldn't leave it for an F/O slot here.
But a newish Tiger F/O? I can see the attraction.
Basings? We live in hope but I wouldn't come here on the expectaion.Good chance it will never happen.
At present the seniority list stops somewhere North of 2300. Normal attrition is approximately 2-3%. If you joined now with any idea that you will have a Command within 8-10 years you are again delusional
Finally, this is the Middle East-it is VERY DIFFERENT, you have NO right to challenge or question anything the company does: I will repeat that: You have NO right to challenge!!!. Your contract pertains to the bond only, all other conditions are subject to change at the Company's whim, and the changes are non-contestable.