Jetstar Hiring.... Cadets?!?!
TO ALL THE CADETS
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
For those idiots quoting the love of flying, You have no idea what real flying is.
You may be super keen and ambitious now at a young age but 10yrs down the line when you're flying with someone who tells you how much fun they had up North, you will regret the fact that you have been a button pusher since the start of your aviation career because you love flying.
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
For those idiots quoting the love of flying, You have no idea what real flying is.
You may be super keen and ambitious now at a young age but 10yrs down the line when you're flying with someone who tells you how much fun they had up North, you will regret the fact that you have been a button pusher since the start of your aviation career because you love flying.
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TO ALL THE CADETS
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
And it very much sounds like you, and eocvictim are saying that Jetstar owes you a job because you've been flying in GA for 1000's of hours. If you have the hours for direct entry, and Jetstar finds you suitable for the job, you'll get in regardless of whether they have a cadet program or not.
DSJ is right flyhard', we're all just "applicants" to whatever scheme the various airlines decide is best for their pilot recruitment. The Cadets, or should I say potential Cadets are merely responding to Jetstar's invite.
The interesting thing of course, will be if it actually does anything to mitigate Jetstar's future crewing issues. My bet is no, not by a long shot. They'll always need at the very least a mix of direct entry experienced guys /girls as well. Qantas know this, and that's why they employ the way they do.
The REX cadet scheme is a case in point. 12 months ago they closed the door to direct entry candidates, and proudly proclaimed that Cadets were the way of the future. Recently (very recently) they flung the doors open to direct entry in response to a rapidly increasing shortage of Captains. Sound familiar? Chr!st Almightly, talk about Re-active rather than Pro-active! But that's the way these people are. The only long term solution to the ongoing rollercoaster of crewing crisis's of course if the improvement of pilot's wages and conditions. Something that airline management will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to.
As far as the Jetstar Cadet scheme is concerned, it was probably instigated by some Pinhead Manager/Accountant type with absolutely no idea what it is like to become and remain a professional pilot. As it probably looks Dynamite on paper, the equally Pinhead/Accountant type guys running the show, paid this clown his short term bonus, and now look set to run with it.
Interesting times ahead.
The interesting thing of course, will be if it actually does anything to mitigate Jetstar's future crewing issues. My bet is no, not by a long shot. They'll always need at the very least a mix of direct entry experienced guys /girls as well. Qantas know this, and that's why they employ the way they do.
The REX cadet scheme is a case in point. 12 months ago they closed the door to direct entry candidates, and proudly proclaimed that Cadets were the way of the future. Recently (very recently) they flung the doors open to direct entry in response to a rapidly increasing shortage of Captains. Sound familiar? Chr!st Almightly, talk about Re-active rather than Pro-active! But that's the way these people are. The only long term solution to the ongoing rollercoaster of crewing crisis's of course if the improvement of pilot's wages and conditions. Something that airline management will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to.
As far as the Jetstar Cadet scheme is concerned, it was probably instigated by some Pinhead Manager/Accountant type with absolutely no idea what it is like to become and remain a professional pilot. As it probably looks Dynamite on paper, the equally Pinhead/Accountant type guys running the show, paid this clown his short term bonus, and now look set to run with it.
Interesting times ahead.
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it was probably instigated by some Pinhead Manager/Accountant type with absolutely no idea what it is like to become and remain a professional pilot. As it probably looks Dynamite on paper, the equally Pinhead/Accountant type guys running the show, paid this clown his short term bonus, and now look set to run with it.
The modern LCC is looking & behaving very much like a sophisticated hedge fund. I wonder if this cadet scheme is constructed as a group "profit centre". Will the bonus model for this scheme be similar to the ones used by the investment banks? That is, the profit is calculate over the lifetime of the scheme, yet the bonus is paid upfront on that notional "profit". Pure speculation, of course.
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No its addressed to the future cadets because jetstar management know that there is a market for this scheme. Read through the posts and you can see the desperation of pilots with actual experience looking to sign up for the cadetship and selling themselves short on terms and conditions. Without a market the airlines wouldn't take this route.
No I never applied to Jetstar because I don't believe in paying for a type rating. Whislt flying a jet was my dream, Its definately not as exciting as GA was. I enjoyed every bit of GA and had alot of fun. I fly with cadets but I'd rather have someone with some GA experience and I know there are plenty of suitably qualified pilots slogging it out just to get a Jetstar interview.
Perhaps you should be addressing that post to Jetstar Management rather than to the cadets, of which, currently there are none.
And it very much sounds like you, and eocvictim are saying that Jetstar owes you a job because you've been flying in GA for 1000's of hours.
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well FWIW, I got the call today - scheduled for the aptitude testing next Sat at YMMB. $300 for an online test - what a ripoff!!! Nice to be selected but I don't think I'm going through with it.
*edit* just read the email - looks like there's a full heap of tests per the website. still though...$300 plus airfare plus accom and could all be for nothing!
*edit* just read the email - looks like there's a full heap of tests per the website. still though...$300 plus airfare plus accom and could all be for nothing!
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TO ALL THE CADETS
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
You may be super keen and ambitious now at a young age but 10yrs down the line when you're flying with someone who tells you how much fun they had up North, you will regret the fact that you have been a button pusher since the start of your aviation career because you love flying.
Perhaps GA wages might increase with the lack of pilots out there just building hours for airline jobs at crap rates of pay. Might be a future in GA yet, perhaps even a career, you might even be able to make a living out of it.
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Managements motto "Divide and conquer and drive t & c's down" to maximise profits= increase bonuses for themselves ... this cadetship achieves their objective. My major concern ... safety. Ask any captain that has flown with not all but some green fo cadets/trainees, it's not a bed of roses.
For aspiring cadets, caveat emptor and in the long run you're not doing any favours for yourself or the pilot profession when it comes to t & c's.
For aspiring cadets, caveat emptor and in the long run you're not doing any favours for yourself or the pilot profession when it comes to t & c's.
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I just clicked on a flashy PATS banner out of interest and the first thing you're confronted with is a "Newsflash" that "due to the extremely high demand of our Jetstar pilot cadetship course, we have added two more course dates...." (sic)
Looks like no expense is being spared in the rush for these seats. Not surprising really.
Looks like no expense is being spared in the rush for these seats. Not surprising really.
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Start date - 9th of August
I've just received an email saying I've been successful in stage 2 and at this time I can expect a contract and start date for the Monday the 9th of August.
Didn't expect everything to happen so soon.
Any other successful applicants PM so we can discuss the contract.
Didn't expect everything to happen so soon.
Any other successful applicants PM so we can discuss the contract.
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The wankers on here crapping on about doing the hard yards in GA are full of it.
The only reason some jonny spent years flogging around the outback in some clapped out piston crate "doing the hard yards" was because HE HAD NO FRIGGIN CHOICE.
That is not the case now.
The only reason some jonny spent years flogging around the outback in some clapped out piston crate "doing the hard yards" was because HE HAD NO FRIGGIN CHOICE.
That is not the case now.
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Actually before september 11 a lot of had plenty of world wide options. I was all lined up for a cadetship with a UK airline... Then I recognised it for what it was. A scam.
Now I'm all settled in a highly fulfilling GA job that on employment paid for me to fly across the country just for a sim ride then paid all expenses during training... Why would I want to pay an airline to be paid less than a Turbo prop captain?
I'm not a sucker.
Now I'm all settled in a highly fulfilling GA job that on employment paid for me to fly across the country just for a sim ride then paid all expenses during training... Why would I want to pay an airline to be paid less than a Turbo prop captain?
I'm not a sucker.
The only reason some jonny spent years flogging around the outback in some clapped out piston crate "doing the hard yards" was because HE HAD NO FRIGGIN CHOICE.
eg 5-10 years in GA returns 40ish years on a good wicket in an airline.
Now; 1-2 years (and 180K) in sausage factory returns 45 years on crap conditions. It's not rocket science - as eocvictim has pointed out, a low cost airline cadet program is a scam.
The only reason jonny should want to work for an airline is for the money and/ or lifestyle, not because he gets a little short term bulge over flying a jet. Try to think beyond tomorrow.
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The invalidity of this argument is palpable. It is akin to Jet* saying they will have 20,000 applications.
There *may* be thousands of qualified pilots in Australia. But I will definitely argue as to their 'suitability.' Anybody can pay money and get a CPL. It just takes time and deep pockets. Anybody can also manage to get hours and tick the requirements box for an airline application. But that doesn't make them suitable for the airline job.
It is like saying because Johnny Ablett has played each week in the local competition for the last 5 years he is owed a position in any AFL team next week. He isn't. And neither is Johnny Yaeger who has 5 years of GA flying entitled to an airline job.
The arrogance of our industry where people think because they have got their licences and got the airline requirements they should be in an airline job is frustrating at best and simply pathetic at worst.
M
Please tell me why you deserve to get into Jetstar when there are thousands of suitably qualified pilots in Australia who have a shed load more experience and have done the hard yards.
There *may* be thousands of qualified pilots in Australia. But I will definitely argue as to their 'suitability.' Anybody can pay money and get a CPL. It just takes time and deep pockets. Anybody can also manage to get hours and tick the requirements box for an airline application. But that doesn't make them suitable for the airline job.
It is like saying because Johnny Ablett has played each week in the local competition for the last 5 years he is owed a position in any AFL team next week. He isn't. And neither is Johnny Yaeger who has 5 years of GA flying entitled to an airline job.
The arrogance of our industry where people think because they have got their licences and got the airline requirements they should be in an airline job is frustrating at best and simply pathetic at worst.
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ATPL subjects?
Just wondering if anyone can shed light on why the ATPL theory passes are listed as a minimum requirement for the Advanced Cadet programme? Apart from Massey people in NZ, I can't think of anyone else (in NZ) who'd have their ATPL theory subjects. Does this mean people without their ATPL subjects wont be considered at all?
What about the Qantas trainee program? Once again, min requirements include ATPLs. Will you be considered for a spot on the course if you say you'll have your ATPL subjects done by the time the course starts?
Do you guys (and girls) in OZ tend to do your ATPL subjects as soon as you have your CPL? Because I know very few people in NZ who have any of their subjects and people here only usually start doing them once they're 1000TT+.
NB: interesting thread- a lot of hot air and some very negative sentiments. It is really sad to see the (not so slow) downward spiral of the T&Cs of the industry. To all the guys who've done the hard yards through GA, I'm at the end of my 1st year in GA and its been pretty lacklustre. If I keep this up I'll be grey before a good paycheck. So barring a decent GA job, I'll be stoked if I get the J* cadetship. I know the numbers look a bit bleak but they're a bloody kings ransom compared to what I'm earning! Any advice re: cadetship appreciated. Any abuse re: cadetship welcome.
Cheers
HS
What about the Qantas trainee program? Once again, min requirements include ATPLs. Will you be considered for a spot on the course if you say you'll have your ATPL subjects done by the time the course starts?
Do you guys (and girls) in OZ tend to do your ATPL subjects as soon as you have your CPL? Because I know very few people in NZ who have any of their subjects and people here only usually start doing them once they're 1000TT+.
NB: interesting thread- a lot of hot air and some very negative sentiments. It is really sad to see the (not so slow) downward spiral of the T&Cs of the industry. To all the guys who've done the hard yards through GA, I'm at the end of my 1st year in GA and its been pretty lacklustre. If I keep this up I'll be grey before a good paycheck. So barring a decent GA job, I'll be stoked if I get the J* cadetship. I know the numbers look a bit bleak but they're a bloody kings ransom compared to what I'm earning! Any advice re: cadetship appreciated. Any abuse re: cadetship welcome.
Cheers
HS
The arrogance of our industry where people think because they have got their licences and got the airline requirements they should be in an airline job is frustrating at best and simply pathetic at worst.
Works both ways bud
No GA guy that I know thinks they are entitled to an Airline job, but for most this is why they entered the industry and what they have been working towards for X amount of time. It can be frustrating that the goal posts keep moving especially when the industry is so volatile and most people are carrying large debt to finance the dream or have made a hell of a lot of sacrifices in their private life.
GG,
Did you actually read what I wrote, or simply have tunnel vision at my last statement?
M
Did you actually read what I wrote, or simply have tunnel vision at my last statement?
M
Did you read mine?
Out of all the guys I know, nobody has the opinion that they deserve an airline slot, they are just working towards it like most other Pilots in the GA game. The frustrations on here are from the guys that see a light at the end of the tunnel only to never quite be able to reach it as it keeps on moving.
Anyone can be taught to fly an airliner, 'the right stuff' seems to mean 'the right stuff in the bank' with regard to the prospects of airline employment these days.
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This thread is just going around in circles, is there any point to it now?
There are some very arrogant people here who are unable to see anything from anyone else's perspective.
Unless you are walking in someone's shoes how dare you criticize the choices other people make for their OWN lives.
Maybe those that attack schemes like this and the pilots that choose to do them, could give some CONSTRUCTIVE advice and things that pilots could do to work TOGETHER rather than just attacking people.
And those that are concerned about airline T&C, what did you do when you were in GA? Were you concerned about the T&C for pilots in GA? Did you get your hours up and simply get in to an airline as soon as you could? Did you try and make any improvements? Did you stand up for anything or did you fly for free, do ferry flights for free, pay for your endorsements, keep quite when when pilots were pushed to fly illegally or broken machines? Did you give a **** about anyone but yourself when you were in GA? It would be interesting to know!
There are some very arrogant people here who are unable to see anything from anyone else's perspective.
Unless you are walking in someone's shoes how dare you criticize the choices other people make for their OWN lives.
Maybe those that attack schemes like this and the pilots that choose to do them, could give some CONSTRUCTIVE advice and things that pilots could do to work TOGETHER rather than just attacking people.
And those that are concerned about airline T&C, what did you do when you were in GA? Were you concerned about the T&C for pilots in GA? Did you get your hours up and simply get in to an airline as soon as you could? Did you try and make any improvements? Did you stand up for anything or did you fly for free, do ferry flights for free, pay for your endorsements, keep quite when when pilots were pushed to fly illegally or broken machines? Did you give a **** about anyone but yourself when you were in GA? It would be interesting to know!