Qantas Employee Censorship
It's pretty simple isn't it? If you were to slag off the company in real life you probably wouldn't stand up in a shopping centre with a microphone and amplifier and proclaim "I work for Qantas and this is why they suck!" Or if you did you'd reasonably expect them to be unhappy with you. Same if you started shouting out stuff that they consider to be commercial in confidence. When you slag the company in real life you probably do it in private to friends and work mates.
Well when you post stuff on social networking sites you are metaphorically shouting from the top of a tall building. The more "friends" you have the more public your ramblings are. Needless to say that if the company find out what you've been saying then you haven't been discrete enough.
Well when you post stuff on social networking sites you are metaphorically shouting from the top of a tall building. The more "friends" you have the more public your ramblings are. Needless to say that if the company find out what you've been saying then you haven't been discrete enough.
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Originally Posted by Buai Bob
I am sorry if my lack of technical savy cause any offence, however it would seem to me that the obvious solution to this problem would be to ensure that you are not identifiable to the company when you are the process of slagging them off - simple!!
If QANTAS (or any other company) paid me 24/7 then I would be obligated to follow their rules but they don't. Now what people have to learn is what gets posted online stays online and NEVER disappears. Just 10 seconds on Facebook and then you decide to delete your comment/image etc is 11 seconds too long online. Even email can come back to bite you on the bum. As has been stated on several TV programs lately, if you can't say it to a person's face then do NOT post it online.
For the record, I would like to say I hold every single person on the Internet in the highest possible esteem.
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".... it would seem to me that the obvious solution to this problem would be to ensure that you are not identifiable to the company when you are (in) the process of slagging them off - simple!!"
You have no anonymity when the law gets involved. Buai Bob, Check your PMs!
Criticise or libel your employer, even anonymously on the internet, and you are probably inviting termination of employment.
Solution: Don't post anything on PPRuNe, Facebook etc that you would not say or publish publicly in person.
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Freedom of Speech
According to all the above comment Freedom of Speech is a Myth.
Corporations cannot be criticized by employees publicly.
We have gone backwards by a hundred years
Corporations cannot be criticized by employees publicly.
We have gone backwards by a hundred years
According to all the above comment Freedom of Speech is a Myth.
Corporations cannot be criticized by employees publicly.
We have gone backwards by a hundred years
Corporations cannot be criticized by employees publicly.
We have gone backwards by a hundred years
HOWEVER right cut both ways. Companys have rights as to what they expect from their employees. You are paid in order that your service benefit the company.
If you actions make that not so, the company has the right to terminate you.
Is it the case that you want your rights protected, but companies rights curtailed?
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Wizofoz,
That is all very true.
Many posts on these forums tend to point out perceived errors that individual managers have made. Not really denigrating the company per se, but through frustration, highlighting from the individuals point of view, where they believe a manager/s have stuffed up.
Is it therefore okay for 'mismanagers' to silence those who highlight their mistakes under the guise of 'protecting the company'. What they are really attempting is to protect themselves and their jobs.
Sure there are supposed to be internal mechanisms inside companies to allow 'top-to-bottom and bottom-to-top communication' in line with 'worlds best practice' delivering a 'flattened manangement structure'.But in reality with todays current management practices how often does this really occur.
How often would you see a manager pass up the chain of command that they had come up with an idea or proposal that those underneath pointed out with constructive criticism would not work in its present form. Said project falls over for exactly the reasons those below said it would. Does the manager look at the end result , realise they stuffed up and fall on their sword. Correspondingly, a manager realises that something that comes down to them to implement is a dogs' breakfast and will not work in the real world. Does the manager point out to their superiors that in its current form that it is unworkable and be seen as a non-team player, or go through the motions and wait for the idea to die a natural death.Path of least resistance?
More often than not it is an individuals frustration with a lack of accountability that leads them to make disparaging remarks on the internet, rather than a genuine desire to harm the company that puts the food on their plate.
You are paid in order that your service benefit the company.
Many posts on these forums tend to point out perceived errors that individual managers have made. Not really denigrating the company per se, but through frustration, highlighting from the individuals point of view, where they believe a manager/s have stuffed up.
Is it therefore okay for 'mismanagers' to silence those who highlight their mistakes under the guise of 'protecting the company'. What they are really attempting is to protect themselves and their jobs.
Sure there are supposed to be internal mechanisms inside companies to allow 'top-to-bottom and bottom-to-top communication' in line with 'worlds best practice' delivering a 'flattened manangement structure'.But in reality with todays current management practices how often does this really occur.
How often would you see a manager pass up the chain of command that they had come up with an idea or proposal that those underneath pointed out with constructive criticism would not work in its present form. Said project falls over for exactly the reasons those below said it would. Does the manager look at the end result , realise they stuffed up and fall on their sword. Correspondingly, a manager realises that something that comes down to them to implement is a dogs' breakfast and will not work in the real world. Does the manager point out to their superiors that in its current form that it is unworkable and be seen as a non-team player, or go through the motions and wait for the idea to die a natural death.Path of least resistance?
More often than not it is an individuals frustration with a lack of accountability that leads them to make disparaging remarks on the internet, rather than a genuine desire to harm the company that puts the food on their plate.
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Very true, max1.
The current huge divide between managers and doers is harming businesses everywhere. Until each group starts to trust and respect each other, inefficient, stupid ideas from people with no real world experience will continue to fail despite the doers' best attempts to warn them, staff will be demotivated and bitter and they will continue to voice their frustration wherever they can.
Correct. Show me an Act of Parliament that guarantees your freedom of speech. Don't say the Constitution, because it doesn't.
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/coml...itutionAct.pdf
Australia has no Bill of Rights and Australians have no inherent, inalienable rights to anything. There are certain legislated rights provided by Acts of Parliament such as the right to remain silent et al (Crimes Act 23F-W) and workplace rights as listed above, but you only get those 'rights' because the government has granted them by legislation. Theoretically, they could all be repealed the next time parliament sits. Australians solidly voted against the bill of rights proposal included in the 1988 referendum.
While the country is signatory to a number of UN conventions, the UN has no legal power to enforce compliance and about the worst thing they can do is throw your country out of the UN.
The current huge divide between managers and doers is harming businesses everywhere. Until each group starts to trust and respect each other, inefficient, stupid ideas from people with no real world experience will continue to fail despite the doers' best attempts to warn them, staff will be demotivated and bitter and they will continue to voice their frustration wherever they can.
According to all the above comment Freedom of Speech is a Myth.
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/coml...itutionAct.pdf
Australia has no Bill of Rights and Australians have no inherent, inalienable rights to anything. There are certain legislated rights provided by Acts of Parliament such as the right to remain silent et al (Crimes Act 23F-W) and workplace rights as listed above, but you only get those 'rights' because the government has granted them by legislation. Theoretically, they could all be repealed the next time parliament sits. Australians solidly voted against the bill of rights proposal included in the 1988 referendum.
While the country is signatory to a number of UN conventions, the UN has no legal power to enforce compliance and about the worst thing they can do is throw your country out of the UN.
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I was always taught... 'If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, don't say anything at all'
On a more serious note, if you are going to post something derogatory or bash whatever company or person that has pissed you off, you had better be prepared to defend your actions in court.
The days of anonymously posting is over see:
Bladeslapper • View topic - Cyber Poison Pen
Food for thought before you decide to go and be nasty.
Cheers & Beers
LT
On a more serious note, if you are going to post something derogatory or bash whatever company or person that has pissed you off, you had better be prepared to defend your actions in court.
The days of anonymously posting is over see:
Bladeslapper • View topic - Cyber Poison Pen
Food for thought before you decide to go and be nasty.
Cheers & Beers
LT
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Worrals: an Excellent Summation
In one post WITW has managed to put the frustrations and feelings of QF employees in a nutshell.
He has also highlighted the shortcomings of our constitution and the absurdity of not having a Bill of Rights
For years there has also been debate as to whether or not the Australian government actually has the legal right to collect taxes
He has also highlighted the shortcomings of our constitution and the absurdity of not having a Bill of Rights
For years there has also been debate as to whether or not the Australian government actually has the legal right to collect taxes
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I joe do solemnly rescind, abrogate, annul, revoke & repeal any & all negative comments that I might have made, alleged or insinuated about QANTAS. Further to this I do not believe that the nom de plume fishers ghost bears any simile or comparison to Fysh’s ghost i.e. the ghost of Hudson Fysh. Further to this, Fishers ghost is not an identity borne from the QANTAS IT Security department. If there was a QANTAS IT security department, which there is not, it would most definitely not be trolling internet forums looking for dissention amongst employees by appearing to post as an individual. Said department, if it did hypothetically exist, would not seek to manipulate forum moderators, knowingly or otherwise, into responding. QANTAS is in no way involved in tracking & spying on individuals. Furthermore, Qantas is the true spirit of Australia. QANTAS management are the most brilliant in their field, if not any field, seek only the best for their subordinates and are the finders of lost children. This statement was in no way coerced.
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Wrong. You post on the internet (or even visit many web sites) they record your IP address. An aggrieved or offended party (including your employer) applies to an appropriate Court for an Order requiring the site publisher to release the IP address and your ISP to release your name and address. It has happened a number of times over the years with PPRuNe.
There are already pseudo firewall softwares routing your IP address so I guess it comes down to how much you know about the net hehe!
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God, all the fun has been taken out of flying, not like the good ol days! QF managers should be taken on a tour of aircrew bars around the globe if they want a first hand view of what employees really think of them! Start with NRT always a good read, some of it been there for years, shows nothing changes, just the faces....
