The Moderators of this forum need to grow the hell up
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The Moderators of this forum need to grow the hell up
Dear moderators
I have been a long time watcher and occasional participant of the PPrune forum.
I class my self as a professional aviator that has seen the better of 30 years in a tough industry that's seen the occasional mud thrown in all directions. But I have noticed with more and more regularity that the moderators of this forum are becoming more and more precious when it comes to certain posts, that they either disagree with on a moral grounds or on professional ones.
well may I respectfully say grow the hell up, this is a open forum listed for open frank and DEMOCRATIC views even if you don't agree with them.
The latest was a posting about Jetstar vietnam and and their blatant lack of safety standards as reported by the media, yes I know there was the assertion to connect the story with Jetstar Australia, however canning the post straight away when it had some very good points too make was very short sighted indeed. Isn't up too the general population to decide if a poster goes too far, I can recall on many occasions when fellow professional aviators on this very forum have pulled people into line over ridiculous statements, we don't need over zealous moderators to stiffen free speech in this very rare free open forum about aviation.
The moderators should use his or her power as a last resort not jump in straight away to wield their mighty internet sword.
PLease back off and allow democratic voices be heard, even if you don't agree with them on a personal level.
I have been a long time watcher and occasional participant of the PPrune forum.
I class my self as a professional aviator that has seen the better of 30 years in a tough industry that's seen the occasional mud thrown in all directions. But I have noticed with more and more regularity that the moderators of this forum are becoming more and more precious when it comes to certain posts, that they either disagree with on a moral grounds or on professional ones.
well may I respectfully say grow the hell up, this is a open forum listed for open frank and DEMOCRATIC views even if you don't agree with them.
The latest was a posting about Jetstar vietnam and and their blatant lack of safety standards as reported by the media, yes I know there was the assertion to connect the story with Jetstar Australia, however canning the post straight away when it had some very good points too make was very short sighted indeed. Isn't up too the general population to decide if a poster goes too far, I can recall on many occasions when fellow professional aviators on this very forum have pulled people into line over ridiculous statements, we don't need over zealous moderators to stiffen free speech in this very rare free open forum about aviation.
The moderators should use his or her power as a last resort not jump in straight away to wield their mighty internet sword.
PLease back off and allow democratic voices be heard, even if you don't agree with them on a personal level.
Good point considering the free speech issues in Vietnam itself. JStar Pacific is a very very different airline to jetstar Australia and I'm sure that would have been pointed out very quickly by many of our regulars and an interesting discussion started.
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pondoklabu - Hope you don't mind me suggesting you mug-up on the laws of libel, as practiced and applied in the UK, USA, Australia for example and the responsibilities of a bulletin board owner/administrator to ensure that no libellous comments are allowed to remain in public view any longer than a reasonable time to allow for the board operators to act to remove them. If libellous comments are allowed to remain then the BB owners and operators become liable in law and that could cost millions.
By deleting an entire offending post the Mods are encouraging posters to do their own editing before posting.
By deleting an entire offending post the Mods are encouraging posters to do their own editing before posting.
Yeah.. Pprune ain't a democracy and the mods do a good job to prevent the site being sued for any defamatory or malicious content.. I'd hate to have to start paying an annual membership here because of legal costs or court imposed penalties..
Aviation already has had a enough of that! (Thank you to the litigators in the USA)
Aviation already has had a enough of that! (Thank you to the litigators in the USA)
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There's also thousands of child porn sites, millions of people downloading pirated content etc.
The law on the internet is a fickle thing.
I'm fairly sure that in just about every thread on here regarding an individual/organisation etc I can find a post that could arguably be construed as libel. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be responsible with what they post, and that the moderators shouldn't, well, moderate...but if you jump behind the libel shield half of the threads on this site go missing.
It would become the Professional Pilots Network. No space for rumours
The law on the internet is a fickle thing.
I'm fairly sure that in just about every thread on here regarding an individual/organisation etc I can find a post that could arguably be construed as libel. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be responsible with what they post, and that the moderators shouldn't, well, moderate...but if you jump behind the libel shield half of the threads on this site go missing.
It would become the Professional Pilots Network. No space for rumours
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There is presently a defamation case being played out in the Australian courts over posting on the Internet - site name withheld so I am not guilty of spamming - the results are very much up in the air and it has been expensive for the web master. If the suppression of opinion and free speech troubles you, we only have the litigious, thin skinned progenitors of these cases to thank. The mods are simply stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Have a scotch and a chill Pill mate. No one makes you read the forum. Don't like the rules or how it is run then leave. It will still go on with or without you.
Have a scotch and a chill Pill mate. No one makes you read the forum. Don't like the rules or how it is run then leave. It will still go on with or without you.
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this is a open forum listed for open frank and DEMOCRATIC views
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It always amazes me that people who post on forums owned and run by somebody (or some company) think it is a democracy.
Mate they should of taught you as kid, right or wrong the umpires decision is final.
Go to www.themoderatorsarepickingonme.com and join like minded whingers.
Mate they should of taught you as kid, right or wrong the umpires decision is final.
Go to www.themoderatorsarepickingonme.com and join like minded whingers.
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The last time I checked, Vietnam was part of South East Asia?
PPRuNe has a specific forum:
I'm sure any matter relating to Jetstar Vietnam will be very welcome in the PPRuNe South Asia and the Far East Forum.
This Forum is for:
Perhaps next time you will give some thought for the real reason Moderators take the action they do? 
To those who expressed appreciation for the voluntary work carried out PPRuNe Moderators - thank you!
PPRuNe has a specific forum:
South Asia and the Far East
News and views on the fast growing and changing aviation scene on the planet.
News and views on the fast growing and changing aviation scene on the planet.
This Forum is for:
Airline and RPT issues in Australia, enZed and the Pacific
To those who expressed appreciation for the voluntary work carried out PPRuNe Moderators - thank you!
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Australian High Court - Joseph Gutnik Vs Dow Jones
Here is a link to the Australian High Court decision where Dow Jones defamed Joseph Gutnik in 2002.
It relates to use of the Internet as a medium.
http://www.hcourt.gov.au/media/dowjones.pdf
As i understand it from this decision that absolute care must be exercised when making a comment on the internet.
Mike
It relates to use of the Internet as a medium.
http://www.hcourt.gov.au/media/dowjones.pdf
As i understand it from this decision that absolute care must be exercised when making a comment on the internet.
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Further reference to my above post - The Appeal
Mike
Dow Jones and Company Inc v Gutnick [2002] HCA 56; 210 CLR 575; 194 ALR 433; 77 ALJR 255 (10 December 2002)
Mike
Dow Jones and Company Inc v Gutnick [2002] HCA 56; 210 CLR 575; 194 ALR 433; 77 ALJR 255 (10 December 2002)
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Pondy
The dusty and stressed Mods you refer to have to watch out for Danny's website.
The buck stops there.
This is an anonymous worldwide site, but libelous material published here is the problem of the owner. Hence what may have seen to be an over reaction to what could have been a dangerous post if allowed to go unchallenged could turn around and bite to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.
Are you going to put your hand into your pocket to cover Court costs for Danny and the Moderators if someone takes exception? If that is a yes, then feel free to carry on.
If not consider you are on a United Airlines domestic flight.
Sit down, shut up and we will tell you when you are there.
Participation in these fora is a privelege and not a right, so what the Boss Cockies say is law.
It is fine to disagree and say so. Don't get me wrong, but do not lose sight of the parameters and potential dangers the Mods and Danny are presented with. Erring on the side of safety is not really erring as it keeps our place live.
Best regards Pondy and everyone
EWL
The dusty and stressed Mods you refer to have to watch out for Danny's website.
The buck stops there.
This is an anonymous worldwide site, but libelous material published here is the problem of the owner. Hence what may have seen to be an over reaction to what could have been a dangerous post if allowed to go unchallenged could turn around and bite to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.
Are you going to put your hand into your pocket to cover Court costs for Danny and the Moderators if someone takes exception? If that is a yes, then feel free to carry on.
If not consider you are on a United Airlines domestic flight.
Sit down, shut up and we will tell you when you are there.
Participation in these fora is a privelege and not a right, so what the Boss Cockies say is law.
It is fine to disagree and say so. Don't get me wrong, but do not lose sight of the parameters and potential dangers the Mods and Danny are presented with. Erring on the side of safety is not really erring as it keeps our place live.
Best regards Pondy and everyone
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Truth
I think there is a subliminal message in Pondoklabu's post. He/she commenced the thread with 'Dear moderators' .
The word 'dear' means beloved,or highly valued. So it is quite plausible that in this particular thread the 'poster' when using the word 'dear' is actually expressing some self confusion within one's self.There is a possible struggle between distain and annoyance with the moderators mixed with an appreciation, fondness, even a reverence for the mods.
Furthermore, this hypothesis may mean that pondoklabu's post should be understood from the perspective of the poster's inner turmoil, and compassion, understanding and perhaps even morale support and a cyber hug should be offered up to our friend in need.
xx
The word 'dear' means beloved,or highly valued. So it is quite plausible that in this particular thread the 'poster' when using the word 'dear' is actually expressing some self confusion within one's self.There is a possible struggle between distain and annoyance with the moderators mixed with an appreciation, fondness, even a reverence for the mods.
Furthermore, this hypothesis may mean that pondoklabu's post should be understood from the perspective of the poster's inner turmoil, and compassion, understanding and perhaps even morale support and a cyber hug should be offered up to our friend in need.
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Numerous responses on this thread have correctly identified the D&G Mods as hard working and reasonable. Some of the other forums are not so well blessed.
Reference has been made to Danny and 'his' rules, it is my understanding that the trainset is now wholly owned, controlled and situated in the dear old US of A and has been for a number of years. Hopefully this accounts for the non intrusion and pontifications from self styled lofty heights that previously sullied the D&G forums.
As to the title 'Dear', yes some can be very dear and expensive to inbibe with
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Reference has been made to Danny and 'his' rules, it is my understanding that the trainset is now wholly owned, controlled and situated in the dear old US of A and has been for a number of years. Hopefully this accounts for the non intrusion and pontifications from self styled lofty heights that previously sullied the D&G forums.
As to the title 'Dear', yes some can be very dear and expensive to inbibe with
tipsy
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