The Moderators of this forum need to grow the hell up
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Yeah! And while we're at it, I don't like the colour!!!
At least after closing time at any rate....
Concerns about libel aside, this is a privately owned and operated forum that is no more subject to the concepts of free speech or democracy than a restaurant. You are somehow confusing government with private entities.
...accurate, but harsh.
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The funniest part is how Google Ads screen the site and attempt to provide relevant advertising. The result? An ad at the bottom of the page for Defamation Lawyers... 
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Firstly, thankyou everyone for your replies and views. Gauging the average reaction of the forum collection, the majority believe the moderators do hard job under a difficult situation with the constant threat of being sued.
Well I bow to the over all opinion and say if you are happy with that then I will be too.
But may I also add, just because something is free and run by volunteers, doesn't mean we can never be judgmental or negative. In the hope what we are saying may improve the overall quality of the site.
The Mod that goes by the name Tailwheel commented by saying the Jetstar Vietnam post( which started this whole thread) was pulled not because of any libel threat but because of bookkeeping issues. Tailwheel commented the thread should have been listed in the south East Asia forum not the Aus section, this is despite Jetstar Vietnam being owned by an Australian company and Australian executives being investigated by authorities. I strongly disagree with tailwheel, the Jetstar Vietnam thread has a place in the Aus section of PPrune and to shut down the thread after only a couple of replies is part of the problem.
This site is not about the moderators its about the people who participate in the forums and I believe ( apparently in the minority) that the mods should just pull back a bit and loosen up, sometimes the best moderators are the other participants in the forum who reply to these threads themselves.
Well I bow to the over all opinion and say if you are happy with that then I will be too.
But may I also add, just because something is free and run by volunteers, doesn't mean we can never be judgmental or negative. In the hope what we are saying may improve the overall quality of the site.
The Mod that goes by the name Tailwheel commented by saying the Jetstar Vietnam post( which started this whole thread) was pulled not because of any libel threat but because of bookkeeping issues. Tailwheel commented the thread should have been listed in the south East Asia forum not the Aus section, this is despite Jetstar Vietnam being owned by an Australian company and Australian executives being investigated by authorities. I strongly disagree with tailwheel, the Jetstar Vietnam thread has a place in the Aus section of PPrune and to shut down the thread after only a couple of replies is part of the problem.
This site is not about the moderators its about the people who participate in the forums and I believe ( apparently in the minority) that the mods should just pull back a bit and loosen up, sometimes the best moderators are the other participants in the forum who reply to these threads themselves.
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Interesting thread comments.
As far as Mods go, my experience is that PPrune mods are very reasonable and allow a wide variety of viewpoints. There are countless ideologically inclined website forums out there which are ruthless in suppressing certain types of commentary which contradicts their narrow views. The bottom line is that mods here are trying to tread a fine line between allowing posters to speak their mind, and keeping PPrune from being shutdown or Danny from being bankrupted.
Quite frankly, over the last 10 years or so I've been more amazed at some of the things they actually allow to be posted on the website, rather than the stuff they don't!
But then, it's easy to demonstrate low intelligence or complete irrationality without actually defaming someone. 
The only place you're going to get truly free speech on the internet is if you start your own website. Then you can make whatever rules you want. However defamation laws are defamation laws, and it doesn't really matter what medium you use. All it takes is for a big company with deep pockets to be offended at something on this website, and Danny's bank balance starts to look very bad if he doesn't remove it immediately (even if the legal action is frivolous and without foundation).
As far as Mods go, my experience is that PPrune mods are very reasonable and allow a wide variety of viewpoints. There are countless ideologically inclined website forums out there which are ruthless in suppressing certain types of commentary which contradicts their narrow views. The bottom line is that mods here are trying to tread a fine line between allowing posters to speak their mind, and keeping PPrune from being shutdown or Danny from being bankrupted.
Quite frankly, over the last 10 years or so I've been more amazed at some of the things they actually allow to be posted on the website, rather than the stuff they don't!
But then, it's easy to demonstrate low intelligence or complete irrationality without actually defaming someone. The only place you're going to get truly free speech on the internet is if you start your own website. Then you can make whatever rules you want. However defamation laws are defamation laws, and it doesn't really matter what medium you use. All it takes is for a big company with deep pockets to be offended at something on this website, and Danny's bank balance starts to look very bad if he doesn't remove it immediately (even if the legal action is frivolous and without foundation).
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Surprised to see that no one (Obie?) has yet mentioned that one of the Mods here on Dunnunda seems unable to abide any mention of That-Year-We-Dare-Not-Mention-Here, at least no comment critical of what an outsider would call the winning side, particularly what some would call the brave soldiers of that winning side.
A case of the victor writes the history books?
A case of the victor writes the history books?
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I'm not getting the message across here! 
The deleted thread had the ludicrous and totally misleading title:
27% equity constitutes an investment; it does not constitute Qantas or Australian corporate control.
There is already a thread running:
Which does contain Australian content and relevance.
There was no libel issue - unless Qantas took umbrage at the ludicrous, misleading title of the deleted thread. The thread clearly was not relevant to this forum and I did not move the thread to the South East Asian Forum as the thread title was totally misleading and inappropriate.
I don't see the relevance of that statement in respect to Moderating an Australian aviation forum, but if it is any consolation, the three Dunnunda Mods collectively have around seventy five years aviation and airline industry experience and collectively around thirty years experience moderating the PPRuNe Dunnunda forums.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but libel and defamation laws do apply to an internet bulletin board. Had you been around a bit longer than only the last fourteen days, you may be aware of previous libel action against PPRuNe and it's registered users.
Everytime you post on PPRuNe (or access or post on any internet site) your IP address is recorded. This forum is not anonymous when Courts order disclosure of user IP details.
Tailwheel commented the thread should have been listed in the south East Asia forum not the Aus section, this is despite Jetstar Vietnam being owned by an Australian company and Australian executives being investigated by authorities. I strongly disagree with tailwheel, the Jetstar Vietnam thread has a place in the Aus section of PPRuNe and to shut down the thread after only a couple of replies is part of the problem.
Qantas is a dangerous airline
"....Jetstar Pacific is actually part owned (27%) by Qantas, and not by Jetstar."
There is already a thread running:
Aussie Jetstar workers held in Vietnam
There was no libel issue - unless Qantas took umbrage at the ludicrous, misleading title of the deleted thread. The thread clearly was not relevant to this forum and I did not move the thread to the South East Asian Forum as the thread title was totally misleading and inappropriate.
I class my self as a professional aviator that has seen the better of 30 years in a tough industry...
The law doesn't apply on the internet.
Everytime you post on PPRuNe (or access or post on any internet site) your IP address is recorded. This forum is not anonymous when Courts order disclosure of user IP details.
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Keep up the good work Taily et al, some people will just never get it!
Wiley do you really believe that anybody actually 'won'?
Wiley do you really believe that anybody actually 'won'?
Damn appropriately given on this occasion.
Keep up the good work.
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But may I also add, just because something is free and run by volunteers, doesn't mean we can never be judgmental or negative. In the hope what we are saying may improve the overall quality of the site.
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Although I do NOT always agree with everything they do, as ''tail wheel'' can confirm they do a very difficult job and as volunteers, so give them a break. 
Also as regards just who can and cannot see you, this was posted on another bulletin board just yesterday.
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Just wanted to let you know that the New Homeland Security Bill has passed.
Things will be different now and Internet surfing as you know it will be tracked by what the FBI calls a 'nonintrusive method.' The FBI says you will hardly notice anything different.
they do a very difficult job and as volunteers, so give them a break. Also as regards just who can and cannot see you, this was posted on another bulletin board just yesterday.
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Just wanted to let you know that the New Homeland Security Bill has passed.
Things will be different now and Internet surfing as you know it will be tracked by what the FBI calls a 'nonintrusive method.' The FBI says you will hardly notice anything different.
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The FBI says you will hardly notice anything different.
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There has never been a totally unregulated forum that hasn't ended up, self-destructing in an orgy of internet graffitti, libel and slander, and straight-out garbage.
All forums need moderating, it's a proven fact - just as society needs Police and Laws for civil and peaceful behaviour.
The forum is owned by the webmaster or the group or organisation responsible for setting it up -and they take the legal hits if someone takes offence at unproven allegations being posted, and hires a Rottweiler Lawyer to get redress.
I'm a moderator of another forum - it's a thankless task, and one has to regularly educate users, to THINK before posting.
The fact that many forum users feel the need to add some turps (alcohol) to themselves, before posting off a missive detailing a personal grievance they feel the need to air, and you can see the extent of the problem that develops. Roll on the Moderators, you are needed.
All forums need moderating, it's a proven fact - just as society needs Police and Laws for civil and peaceful behaviour.
The forum is owned by the webmaster or the group or organisation responsible for setting it up -and they take the legal hits if someone takes offence at unproven allegations being posted, and hires a Rottweiler Lawyer to get redress.
I'm a moderator of another forum - it's a thankless task, and one has to regularly educate users, to THINK before posting.
The fact that many forum users feel the need to add some turps (alcohol) to themselves, before posting off a missive detailing a personal grievance they feel the need to air, and you can see the extent of the problem that develops. Roll on the Moderators, you are needed.
Evertonian
You still haven't addressed the serious issue of colour Taily... 
Sycophant! 
Keep up the good work Taily et al, some people will just never get it!
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We've been promised site renovations for more months than I care to remember............
Personally, I'd settle for the site owners fixing the multitude of &%$#@ problems we've had over the past year, including database errors; slow access; time outs; date stamp errors et al
The Mods have been collectively campaigning for site improvements for many months and some of the Mod's posts in our Mod House forum would earn instant banning if published in our "open" forums.... There is a lot more to PPRuNe Moderating than than simply reading all the posts in this forum each day!
Despite the site problems over the past year or so, this site continues to grow at an ever increasing rate: Members: 285,171.
On January 22, 2000, PPRuNe registered it's 10,000th Member - a growth rate of 2,851% in the last ten years!
We've been promised site renovations for more months than I care to remember............
Personally, I'd settle for the site owners fixing the multitude of &%$#@ problems we've had over the past year, including database errors; slow access; time outs; date stamp errors et al
The Mods have been collectively campaigning for site improvements for many months and some of the Mod's posts in our Mod House forum would earn instant banning if published in our "open" forums.... There is a lot more to PPRuNe Moderating than than simply reading all the posts in this forum each day!
Despite the site problems over the past year or so, this site continues to grow at an ever increasing rate: Members: 285,171.
On January 22, 2000, PPRuNe registered it's 10,000th Member - a growth rate of 2,851% in the last ten years!
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If I knew what you were tallking about Buster, I would probably agree...