QF Strike threat may ground planes.
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I repeat, this is not just a QF thing, it SHOULD be adhered to by all reputable Airlines world wide.
QF say they have contingency plans in place, I hope they are creditable!
Lastly (well hopefully) remember back when Ansett shut down a few times not long before it's demise, their PE guys overlooked some rather important AD's which grounded the 767 fleet and say the end of the airline. Was this because of the stress of working conditions? Is QF heading this way?
QF PE's are probably too exhausted to even bother looking here and most LAME's are 100% backing them in their situation of buggery by the new team at qf.
I post is their support.
QF say they have contingency plans in place, I hope they are creditable!
Lastly (well hopefully) remember back when Ansett shut down a few times not long before it's demise, their PE guys overlooked some rather important AD's which grounded the 767 fleet and say the end of the airline. Was this because of the stress of working conditions? Is QF heading this way?
QF PE's are probably too exhausted to even bother looking here and most LAME's are 100% backing them in their situation of buggery by the new team at qf.
I post is their support.
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You Qantas people really live in a different World. 
Or are you one of these PEs just stirring.
I have worked with many Airlines all over the World, often with only one aircraft, and IF I had of grounded the whole Airline over a toilet light not working, well..........
Or are you one of these PEs just stirring.
I have worked with many Airlines all over the World, often with only one aircraft, and IF I had of grounded the whole Airline over a toilet light not working, well..........
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Airsupport, toilet lite may not have been the best example to use(I know it sounds trivial and I'm no sparkie, but if it's not in manual then Prof Eng req'd for EA. Else LAME is risking his licence or a fine from CASA or poss termination of employment - as was said rules is rules, and it is their train set) But if say a bird strike causes a ding in fuse/radome etc and is outside MM limits then need EA provided by Prof Eng to continue (or catering truck/cargo loader etc). Hope this helps
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Airsupport,
Yes, a world where aircraft maintenance is carried out in accordance with the AMM & company system of maintenance.
If you have not worked IAW AMM & Company System of Maint, you have been fraudulent in you certification. But I doubt you have a maintainers licence with your comments.
In an airline with 250 plus aircraft and 1,500 certifying LAME's it does not take long for billions of pax to be at the fate of the certifiers of the airline. You obviously have no idea of the compounding errors that could be introduced into a single airframe with an attitude you express above.
We do and so the toilet light example stands firm. .
You Qantas people really live in a different World.
I have worked with many Airlines all over the World, often with only one aircraft, and IF I had of grounded the whole Airline over a toilet light not working, well.......... 
In an airline with 250 plus aircraft and 1,500 certifying LAME's it does not take long for billions of pax to be at the fate of the certifiers of the airline. You obviously have no idea of the compounding errors that could be introduced into a single airframe with an attitude you express above.
We do and so the toilet light example stands firm. .
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Airsupport, toilet lite may not have been the best example to use(I know it sounds trivial and I'm no sparkie, but if it's not in manual then Prof Eng req'd for EA. Else LAME is risking his licence or a fine from CASA or poss termination of employment - as was said rules is rules, and it is their train set) But if say a bird strike causes a ding in fuse/radome etc and is outside MM limits then need EA provided by Prof Eng to continue (or catering truck/cargo loader etc). Hope this helps
I am not a sparkie/conehead either, airframes and engines, well I was, I am retired now thank God, but IF I had of grounded a whole airline (one aircraft) over a U/S toilet light i KNOW my employment would have been terminated, NO possible about it.
Of course I am (was) used to working with sensible practical people, LAMEs and Pilots, something as silly as the toilet light would (hopefully) not have been written up IF we couldn't fix it or didn't have a conehead available to clear the defect.
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You obviously have no idea of the compounding errors that could be introduced into a single airframe with an attitude you express above.
For over half my working Life as an LAME I was with Airlines with many aircraft, and yes it is different then, because you may NOT see each aircraft daily, or for a long time, and you could easily lose track of what is happening to every aircraft, I guess it is the same at Qantas.
However the instances I was quoting are where we ONLY had the one aircraft to look after (the whole Airline), and usually in very remote parts of the World, and usually ONLY myself and one Avionics LAME looking after the aircraft, so we knew everything that was going on with the aircraft, and ANY faults whether logged or not. A lot of the time I actually flew around with it too, so even IF I didn't care about the safety of the Pax and Flight Crew (which I DID), I wasn't going to risk my Life.
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You werent willing to risk your life airsupport but you were more than willing to bend, ignore and break the law. I for one am glad you have retired.
Your attitude to the rules is the reason so many of these one aircraft "airlines" get banned from flying in european airspace. Every time you duck a rule you line up a hole in the swiss cheese.
Your attitude to the rules is the reason so many of these one aircraft "airlines" get banned from flying in european airspace. Every time you duck a rule you line up a hole in the swiss cheese.
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Qantas' version of the Risk Model Swiss cheese analogy is now almost down to 1 slice of mouldy old cheese almost gnawed away to nothing by the "rats".
Executive Bonus' before
Pofitability before
Safety before
Schedule!
The New Qantas Corporate Mission Statement!
Executive Bonus' before
Pofitability before
Safety before
Schedule!
The New Qantas Corporate Mission Statement!
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You werent willing to risk your life airsupport but you were more than willing to bend, ignore and break the law. I for one am glad you have retired.
Your attitude to the rules is the reason so many of these one aircraft "airlines" get banned from flying in european airspace. Every time you duck a rule you line up a hole in the swiss cheese.
Your attitude to the rules is the reason so many of these one aircraft "airlines" get banned from flying in european airspace. Every time you duck a rule you line up a hole in the swiss cheese.
I am very glad I am retired too, however during my 40 something years in the Industry I never ever broke any Laws, and I am very proud of the fact that on all these contracts we never had ANY incidents or accidents and only 1 or 2 unavoidable mechanical delays.
Certainly NOT banned, in fact those Airlines had a better safety record while we were there than dare I say it even Qantas, thank you.
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I propose an honary Sky God title be awarded to Airsupport for his 40+ yrs of upstanding service to the airline industry.
will any other P-Pruner second my proposal?
will any other P-Pruner second my proposal?
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I propose an honary Sky God title be awarded to Airsupport for his 40+ yrs of upstanding service to the airline industry.
will any other P-Pruner second my proposal?
will any other P-Pruner second my proposal?
Although very much deserved, I must decline the honour, as I was just doing my job that I was being paid to do all that time, keeping the aircraft safe #1, and on time IF possible #2.
Some people here, if they are even real Airline people, seem to do everything they can to delay aircraft and inconvenience their Company and the paying Passengers.
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something as silly as the toilet light would (hopefully) not have been written up IF we couldn't fix it or didn't have a conehead available to clear the defect
and ANY faults whether logged or not
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Although very much deserved, I must decline the honour
I can see that as well as the importance of following the rules, sarcasm is beyond you too.
blow.n.gasket, I will nominate him for two awards, the Ten Foot Spanner (biggest tool) and the Golden Door Opening Implement.
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, how goes the negotiation?
If we all take a deep breath, this is probably a bog standard EBA negotiation. Leave the negotiators be and don't believe 80% of your own propoganda would be my advice.
Incidentally, it's also PE who do evaluations on manufacturers' proposals and start the new type selection process.
If we all take a deep breath, this is probably a bog standard EBA negotiation. Leave the negotiators be and don't believe 80% of your own propoganda would be my advice.
Incidentally, it's also PE who do evaluations on manufacturers' proposals and start the new type selection process.
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Thanks Wod, quite correct, it's back to the thread, but I do not see any of the PE posting at all.
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P.S. I do take offence at cowboys signing out "roman candles" and I would imagine any pilot / LAME / Pax would also.
The operations I was talking about all over the World were only so successful BECAUSE of the cooperation and flexibility of ALL involved, especially the LAMEs and the Pilots.
Another great trip I had about 21 years ago was a ferry flight from Melbourne through to England with 3 Captains, (no pax though of course), a smaller aircraft and took some 10 days. Had to do routine basic maintenance on the aircraft daily and a check around half way, funny thing was we never had even one defect in the logs all that way until on descent on the final leg, then I had to write up some 18 defects.
IF you guys were there it wouldn't have got out of Australia.
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'Short Circuit' - thanks for the example it was kind of what I was getting at earlier.
After finally re-reading this thread it's clear that some people are coming at this issue with a bit of a 'cowboy' GA attitude. Easy to get away with when operating low volume private ops, I would argue that it's a different story for HC RPT...
Good luck to the PE's, some of us see your value!
After finally re-reading this thread it's clear that some people are coming at this issue with a bit of a 'cowboy' GA attitude. Easy to get away with when operating low volume private ops, I would argue that it's a different story for HC RPT...
Good luck to the PE's, some of us see your value!
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As I said before I am hoping that most of you, judging by your posts, are PEs with lots of University Qualifications but NO practical experience OR AMEs/LAMEs in a heavy maintenance environment.
PLEASE PLEASE tell me that none of you are LAMEs on Line Maintenance with high capacity aircraft.
PLEASE PLEASE tell me that none of you are LAMEs on Line Maintenance with high capacity aircraft.