Tiger Loads Bags onto wrong flights
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Tiger Loads Bags onto wrong flights
Heard off the grapevine that bags for two TT flights leaving Adelaide were put on the wrong flights... apparently all bags going to Melbourne were loaded onto the Gold coast flight, and the bags for Gold coast were loaded onto the Melbourne flight... does that seem possible? If so, i feel sorry for the passengers and the staff that have to put up with them when they all get to their destination!
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I've witnessed the same 
up twice, by two different airlines (one LCC and one full service carrier). Unfortunately it can and does happen occasionally, I believe it caused substantial load control related issues on one of those occasions as the aircraft was much lighter than planned for.
up twice, by two different airlines (one LCC and one full service carrier). Unfortunately it can and does happen occasionally, I believe it caused substantial load control related issues on one of those occasions as the aircraft was much lighter than planned for.
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Interesting post by 'aviator's_anonymous'.
Yes.The chance of this happenning is quite sadly highly possible.If it did occur, then obviously the poor old pax will be inconvenienced. And this has happenned on many occasions before that incorrect bags have been loaded onto the wrong aircraft. But that is the least import issue here if any truth exists in the story.
My concerns would be with the following ?
Heard off the grapevine that bags for two TT flights leaving Adelaide were put on the wrong flights... apparently all bags going to Melbourne were loaded onto the Gold coast flight, and the bags for Gold coast were loaded onto the Melbourne flight... does that seem possible?
My concerns would be with the following ?
- How and why did the mistake occur ?
- Has the incident been reported to the ATSB ?
- What was notated on the final LIR, and who and how many people signed it off as being correct ?
- As a result of the incorrect loading, did the Cof G of either aircraft shift to a point that aerodynamics may have been adversely compromised during all phases of flight ?
- Has Tiger launched an internal safety investigation of their own ?
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'Worrals' I agree that such an incident would not be the first and at this rate wont be the last in Australia. Sadly any attention or focus within an airline ends to center on the Drivers upfront and very little else.
The reality is that this sort of incident will one day result in a passenger jet not getting off the ground and ploughing into a residential estate, airport infrastructure or an adjacent ocean to an airport. The risk of a stall or aircraft entering an undesired state also should be added to the list.
To put it bluntly, I dont know how the ATSB is keeping up with the investigations of these sort of occurences, surely they must be recruiting of late so they can get through the ever increasing workload?
The safety standards of aviation within Australia is slipping by the week. We all know whats next around the corner dont we ?
The reality is that this sort of incident will one day result in a passenger jet not getting off the ground and ploughing into a residential estate, airport infrastructure or an adjacent ocean to an airport. The risk of a stall or aircraft entering an undesired state also should be added to the list.
To put it bluntly, I dont know how the ATSB is keeping up with the investigations of these sort of occurences, surely they must be recruiting of late so they can get through the ever increasing workload?
The safety standards of aviation within Australia is slipping by the week. We all know whats next around the corner dont we ?
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Remember oleo, high viz vests, asic cards, random drug testing and nail clippers. This is what safety's all about.
Cutting to the core of safety issues on a daily basis.
Cutting to the core of safety issues on a daily basis.
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In Tiger's case, loading bags on the wrong flight probably won't put the aircraft outside CofG limits as everything is loaded into the back anyway. It might make rotation interesting if the stab is set in the wrong position for the weight though...
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Sorry Mr.Hat, it seems that I lost my focus for a moment and forgot all those important safety issues you mentioned !!
I appreciate you reminding me of the things that seem to count as safety these days. I am certain that the below items will also be a valuable contribution to the list of safety initiatives that are going to prevent a 'smoking hole in the ground' -
I appreciate you reminding me of the things that seem to count as safety these days. I am certain that the below items will also be a valuable contribution to the list of safety initiatives that are going to prevent a 'smoking hole in the ground' -
- Steel capped boots
- Hearing protection
- Kneepads
- Empty spill kits on the tarmac filled with old editions of 'The Australian',coke cans and sandwich crusts
- Witty little sayings by Management such as "Safety Before Schedule". An absolute personal favourite .
I remember a case in a previous employer where all the freight was loaded correctly in the right aircraft for its destination. The pilot managed to take another aircraft by mistake and only noticed after landing that the destination labels didn't correspond to where he was.
Happens sometimes.
BTW It wasn't me.
Happens sometimes.
BTW It wasn't me.
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LIR correct; based on ACTUAL load
The reality is that this sort of incident will one day result in a passenger jet not getting off the ground and ploughing into a residential estate, airport infrastructure or an adjacent ocean to an airport. The risk of a stall or aircraft entering an undesired state also should be added to the list.
I could be wrong, and if I am, I'm more than happy to be corrected.
.....but:As far as I know, all Load Instruction Reports (LIR's) are made based on the actual load, as supervised by the Load Controller. As Worrals mentioned, if incorrect bags are loaded, the LIR could read significantly different to the planned load, but it will always represent the actual load on the aircraft.
Because the LIR and W&B sheet are created at the same time by the person actually supervising the loading of the aircraft, the W&B sheet will always contain the actual LIR information, and as such, the W&B sheet will always represent the actual load.
Could any ground crew out there confirm/deny this summary?!
The reality is that this sort of incident will one day result in a passenger jet not getting off the ground and ploughing into a residential estate, airport infrastructure or an adjacent ocean to an airport. The risk of a stall or aircraft entering an undesired state also should be added to the list.
But let's play hypotheticals for a bit: Even IF an aircraft was loaded with more cargo than planned, I doubt that it would cause it to be "unable to get of the ground and plough into the houses at the end of runway". The recent incident in Melbourne with Emirates showed that even an aircraft with a 100 tonne discrepancy can get off the ground.
And I doubt that the difference between MEL and OOL bags will ever be close to 100 Tonnes!
(If 200 people had 30kg of bags each, and 'the other' flight had NO planned bags at all, we're talking about 6 tonnes difference)
Six tonnes.... and that's assuming the first flight was planned with NO bags.
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But like is said, this is based on my experience/what I have seen. I am happy to be shown/proven otherwise.
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This happened at an airline I worked at, and there was quite a discrepancy in baggage. The crew said they didn't notice. Bags went one way with an almost empty flight. Passengers went the other way with almost no baggage. You'd think the people looking at the loading would have questioned why, but as you know, they don't!
Folks,
I can remember one better than this, back in Ansett days. Loaded the wrong passengers on the aircraft. The problem became apparent somewhere over centrals southern NSW, when the Captain gave the time of arrival etc. for Adelaide, more or less together, 102 finger hit the call button, the Brisbane passengers.
And yes, the Adelaide self loading freight was somewhere a bit north of WLM by the time the message got through. And, yes again, this was before any routine PA announcement, just before closing the doors, saying where aeroplane was going -- which appeared in the cabin SOPs very shortly after.
The poor bastard who was the T/O responsible, an old mate, never lived it down, because we didn't let him.
The TAA mob couldn't manage to stop laughing for day.
Tootle pip!!
I can remember one better than this, back in Ansett days. Loaded the wrong passengers on the aircraft. The problem became apparent somewhere over centrals southern NSW, when the Captain gave the time of arrival etc. for Adelaide, more or less together, 102 finger hit the call button, the Brisbane passengers.
And yes, the Adelaide self loading freight was somewhere a bit north of WLM by the time the message got through. And, yes again, this was before any routine PA announcement, just before closing the doors, saying where aeroplane was going -- which appeared in the cabin SOPs very shortly after.
The poor bastard who was the T/O responsible, an old mate, never lived it down, because we didn't let him.
The TAA mob couldn't manage to stop laughing for day.
Tootle pip!!
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does that seem possible?
The Skipper was asked to advise the pax of the stuff up on arrival. He, politely, declined!
Fair dinkum?
Leadsled,
I remember the same thing on an Ansett flight MEL-PER back in the 80s. A guy boarded the plane at the last minute sat down in the aisle seat next to me and promptly nodded off. The feint aroma of stale alcohol permeating the immediate area. About 45 minutes into the flight when the meal service started he woke to look at the gastronomic delight now laid out on his tray table. His comment "this is pretty good for a Melbourne to Sydney flight eh"?
After composing myself, I gave the poor guy the bad news. He called one of the cabin crew and showed his boarding pass. Her comment was just as classic "yes sir, you're going to Sydney" pause "and this plane is going to Perth - oh ****".
As luck would have it, our wayward pax arrived in Perth just in time to be put on the midnight horror back to Sydney and arrive bright eyed and bushy tailed on parade next morning. He was an AJ.
At least electronic gate readers have all but eliminated this occurring these days.
I remember the same thing on an Ansett flight MEL-PER back in the 80s. A guy boarded the plane at the last minute sat down in the aisle seat next to me and promptly nodded off. The feint aroma of stale alcohol permeating the immediate area. About 45 minutes into the flight when the meal service started he woke to look at the gastronomic delight now laid out on his tray table. His comment "this is pretty good for a Melbourne to Sydney flight eh"?
After composing myself, I gave the poor guy the bad news. He called one of the cabin crew and showed his boarding pass. Her comment was just as classic "yes sir, you're going to Sydney" pause "and this plane is going to Perth - oh ****".
As luck would have it, our wayward pax arrived in Perth just in time to be put on the midnight horror back to Sydney and arrive bright eyed and bushy tailed on parade next morning. He was an AJ.
At least electronic gate readers have all but eliminated this occurring these days.
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If this is a true story, how have Tiger managed to keep the media off it? If ever a yarn had legs, this has to have been it!
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Happened at OOL either late last year or earlier this year on 2 Jet* flights, a couple of cans went to ADL by mistake. Needless to say the Leading Hands were stood down for a while, just another day at Oceania....