Ansett gone .......but ?
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I think the moderator binned the original thread because East West Loco and me indicated that we had trouble with understanding the following.....
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To find the URL (using Windows):
Right-click on the picture and select 'Properties'
You'll see lots of info, including the URL.
Highlight and Copy the entire URL.
NB: Always highlight from the beginning or you may not get the full URL if it's long.
If the picture is on your hard disk .....
Option 1: Find a friend with a web site who will 'host' the picture for you They'll send you the URL for your picture so you can then post it.
or
Option 2: Use a photo-hosting site.
PhotoBucket seems to be the best, very simple to use and it's free.
An 'offshoot' of Photobucket is TinyPic but as far as I can see this one does not have a facility to resize the image.
Once you've loaded your picture on the host, it will give you the URL - or you can use the procedure described above.
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NB: Some photo-hosting services host your pics but won't allow you to link to them from another site.
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You can see the size of any image (in Windows) by right-cliking on the image and selecting 'properties'.
There are many ways to resize images, and since most photogs have digicams now and these normally come with image handling programmes it should not present too much of an intellectual challenge to produce the correct size!
There are many Shareware image handling programmes plus lots of FREE downloadable ones. A simple 'Google' search or read of a computer magazine or two will produce plenty of ideas. There are also several FREE 'on-line' image re-sizing sites. Here are a few links for you:-
1 Izhuk.com
2 Resizeimage.4u2ges.com
3 Resize2mail.com
4 Online-image-resize.kategorie.cz
5 Graphicssoft.about.com
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Picture doesn't display:
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You have IMG..../IMG around the image:
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Nice one Obie,
Mmmmm ... Me, I'm Just a pilot, - Illiterate and can't add up
, To wade through that hurts my head, so no pictures for me! 
Anyway, lets pick up from the former thread. Stories - planes, people and memories.
Cheers all
Mmmmm ... Me, I'm Just a pilot, - Illiterate and can't add up
, To wade through that hurts my head, so no pictures for me! Anyway, lets pick up from the former thread. Stories - planes, people and memories.
Cheers all
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OK!...So, now that we're back on again, we need one of the mods to take EWL's pics and put them on prune for us!
sru is obviously as useless as me and Loco, so we need the help of one of the mods, or preferably Bill gates, to access these exclusive pics!
It was you that pushed the wife of the Travelodge manager into the pool, wasn't it, EWL? [ fully clothed, I might add!]
sru is obviously as useless as me and Loco, so we need the help of one of the mods, or preferably Bill gates, to access these exclusive pics!
It was you that pushed the wife of the Travelodge manager into the pool, wasn't it, EWL? [ fully clothed, I might add!]
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Slamer.
And your version of events is based upon........?
Perhaps you were a senior level manager at ANI?
Or were you working for the Transport Minister?
Or maybe you were a lobbyist working for QF at the time.
I was one of these and have close friends who occupied the other positions during the final months and years of AN. The company was a small pawn in a wider game of chess involving many agendas - crushing organized labor, politicians dancing to the tunes of powerful lobbyists in Canberra, nationalistic flag waving involving 3 countries, incompetent NZ government (once described as children playing an adults game), even paybacks for disparaging remarks made about CASA by a senior AN manager.
And your version of events is based upon........?
Perhaps you were a senior level manager at ANI?
Or were you working for the Transport Minister?
Or maybe you were a lobbyist working for QF at the time.
I was one of these and have close friends who occupied the other positions during the final months and years of AN. The company was a small pawn in a wider game of chess involving many agendas - crushing organized labor, politicians dancing to the tunes of powerful lobbyists in Canberra, nationalistic flag waving involving 3 countries, incompetent NZ government (once described as children playing an adults game), even paybacks for disparaging remarks made about CASA by a senior AN manager.
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First of all, TN was not so much propped up by the Government over the years but rather was stripped of profits by them year after year.
If a fleet upgrade was needed they then had to go back to the government and beg for a portion of it back.
Secondly, can you not see SIA's failed Grand Plan?
With 2 members on the board of NZ, talk them around taking over AN. They were well aware that the NZ incumbents couldn't run a chook raffle much less AN and that it would collapse. The theory was that SQ would then ride in like a white knight and rescue the carrier and its people and be a hero.
Why you ask would they do it that way? Simple - by putting NZ in the driver's seat SQ would not lose face when it fell over initially. Why did they want Ansett? Rights to the Pacific ex Australia which they have lusted over for years were at stake, plus the domestic feeds ex Australia they were going to eventually lose whe AN self immolated all on its own. What buggered up the master plan? A bunch of life support systems for tea towels flying aeroplanes into stationary objects. Poor timing - not of their own cause.
SQ had 2 choices to rebirth the AN Empire, which was top heavy and management weak but with a first class front end.
One was to remove the top 3 to 4 levels of management and put their own selections into their seats. This would have been extremely expensive with redundancies, long service and the like. The other and cheaper way was to cause it to fail. That worked fine, but 9/11 screwed to puppy.
Let us be certain about one thing - SQ is the villain, and always has been. SQ was the disease, NZ was the vector, AN was the casualty.
The rebirth may well have worked, but for some very foxy stretching until all other consortiums fell away as the costs rose.
I would love to know the numbers on the cheques SQ wrote for that little excercise.
Sermon endeth, but have a good look at the events.
Best all
EWL
First of all, TN was not so much propped up by the Government over the years but rather was stripped of profits by them year after year.
If a fleet upgrade was needed they then had to go back to the government and beg for a portion of it back.
Secondly, can you not see SIA's failed Grand Plan?
With 2 members on the board of NZ, talk them around taking over AN. They were well aware that the NZ incumbents couldn't run a chook raffle much less AN and that it would collapse. The theory was that SQ would then ride in like a white knight and rescue the carrier and its people and be a hero.
Why you ask would they do it that way? Simple - by putting NZ in the driver's seat SQ would not lose face when it fell over initially. Why did they want Ansett? Rights to the Pacific ex Australia which they have lusted over for years were at stake, plus the domestic feeds ex Australia they were going to eventually lose whe AN self immolated all on its own. What buggered up the master plan? A bunch of life support systems for tea towels flying aeroplanes into stationary objects. Poor timing - not of their own cause.
SQ had 2 choices to rebirth the AN Empire, which was top heavy and management weak but with a first class front end.
One was to remove the top 3 to 4 levels of management and put their own selections into their seats. This would have been extremely expensive with redundancies, long service and the like. The other and cheaper way was to cause it to fail. That worked fine, but 9/11 screwed to puppy.
Let us be certain about one thing - SQ is the villain, and always has been. SQ was the disease, NZ was the vector, AN was the casualty.
The rebirth may well have worked, but for some very foxy stretching until all other consortiums fell away as the costs rose.
I would love to know the numbers on the cheques SQ wrote for that little excercise.
Sermon endeth, but have a good look at the events.
Best all
EWL
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If I did I wouldnt be stupid enough to admit it. Those with integrity and sense stayed well away from what was clearly going to be a disaster. It was well recognized at the time they hardly had their .... "best and brightest" ... on the job.
Ask yourself, who owned Brierleys investments and where was that Biz based....?
EWL has made a fairly accurate summary
PS: Im sure the pre 89 Ansett was a fine company.
Ask yourself, who owned Brierleys investments and where was that Biz based....?
EWL has made a fairly accurate summary
PS: Im sure the pre 89 Ansett was a fine company.
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John Anderson was to aviation as sandpaper is a toilet paper replacement - ie it does half the job and leaves the area bleeding and in need of a professional/doctor.
With cameras on him, he once shook my hand and asked me who I worked for.
I replied 'Alliance' (having just had JH onboard the week before after the 146 broke down).
His reply was a very awkward 'Oh, um, Oh, ahh... theyre owned by impulse aren't they?'
I replied 'no', and he turned the colour of the 'target' store logo he was standing in front of.
With cameras on him, he once shook my hand and asked me who I worked for.
I replied 'Alliance' (having just had JH onboard the week before after the 146 broke down).
His reply was a very awkward 'Oh, um, Oh, ahh... theyre owned by impulse aren't they?'
I replied 'no', and he turned the colour of the 'target' store logo he was standing in front of.
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Interesting comment Prof.
How has our agenda been annunciated?
You allude to knowledge from inside.I was at a fairly high level and through mates was privvy to P & L figures and a whole lot more. I was in the middle of the mess.
You make statements, and then back off in your last post.
I am not criticising, but would just like to know where you are coming from.
If the discussion is pointless to you Prof, then you are not and were not involved, but if you were then you were totally irrelevant,
That is the only reason I can imagine you would be so dismissive of an event that caused a great deal of angst, depression to the point of suicide and personal hardship to a great number of terrific people.
I was from a different culture, but the same sub species. We were all AIRLINE and in those days we shared a bond.
Once at least in your life, I hope you can find that bond wth a like group of people.
If you were a part of an Airline, I am sure you had no idea or need for the culture.
An Airline was something to treasure - and we did and still hold memories close. It is what we are and what provided the basis to our self esteem and self image.
Sermon endeth, but never underestimate the love of Airline workers for their carrier.
EWL
How has our agenda been annunciated?
You allude to knowledge from inside.I was at a fairly high level and through mates was privvy to P & L figures and a whole lot more. I was in the middle of the mess.
You make statements, and then back off in your last post.
I am not criticising, but would just like to know where you are coming from.
If the discussion is pointless to you Prof, then you are not and were not involved, but if you were then you were totally irrelevant,
That is the only reason I can imagine you would be so dismissive of an event that caused a great deal of angst, depression to the point of suicide and personal hardship to a great number of terrific people.
I was from a different culture, but the same sub species. We were all AIRLINE and in those days we shared a bond.
Once at least in your life, I hope you can find that bond wth a like group of people.
If you were a part of an Airline, I am sure you had no idea or need for the culture.
An Airline was something to treasure - and we did and still hold memories close. It is what we are and what provided the basis to our self esteem and self image.
Sermon endeth, but never underestimate the love of Airline workers for their carrier.
EWL
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I think The Professor's comments allude to Slamer's comments.
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Eastwest has in my opinion written one of the best posts I've seen in the last few years re: Ansetts demise.
A little bit of self critical honesty, and good helping of cynicism would lead most clear thinking and rational individuals (I would think) to a very similar conclusion.
Its quite pathetic the amount of parochial and jaundiced vitriol that is thrown about in this discussion...when its quite clear SQ were the puppet masters.
A little bit of self critical honesty, and good helping of cynicism would lead most clear thinking and rational individuals (I would think) to a very similar conclusion.
Its quite pathetic the amount of parochial and jaundiced vitriol that is thrown about in this discussion...when its quite clear SQ were the puppet masters.
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EWL.
Cool your jets sunshine. Twice now you have taken up an argument with me that I have never made.
I did not refer to TN at all.
I did not imply that you had an agenda.
“…can you not see SIA's failed Grand Plan?”
Absolutely. I fully agree with your comments regarding SQ…..Except for this:
“A bunch of life support systems for tea towels flying aeroplanes into stationary objects.”
This was certainly problematic. But when SQ was waiting in the wings as the Tesna operation was being launched, it was pretty obvious that the roadblocks being continually put in place were not constructed by terrorists but by political agendas and power plays in Canberra. Mr Cheong subtly attempted to highlight this point during a national radio interview. Obviously too subtly because very few people picked up on the message.
“Pointless any more discussion. Your agenda has been clearly annunciated.”
This comment was aimed only at Slamer. Any further discussion about AN’s demise is pointless with someone who is viewing the issue with dispute colored glasses.
For info.
I was not involved with the dispute. I was not employed by AN during its dying days. I was a non-flying manager with AN for many years and still to this day have a fond affection for the company and its people. I am a capitalist, pure and simple. My comments here on pprune clearly indicate that I am in favor of letting the market make decisions.
But what troubles me is that the collapse of AN was not such an example. A troubled carrier it was, but make no mistake, there were forces at play that ensured any financial weakness displayed by AN would be exploited to provide opportunity for change that is still playing out today.
Cool your jets sunshine. Twice now you have taken up an argument with me that I have never made.
I did not refer to TN at all.
I did not imply that you had an agenda.
“…can you not see SIA's failed Grand Plan?”
Absolutely. I fully agree with your comments regarding SQ…..Except for this:
“A bunch of life support systems for tea towels flying aeroplanes into stationary objects.”
This was certainly problematic. But when SQ was waiting in the wings as the Tesna operation was being launched, it was pretty obvious that the roadblocks being continually put in place were not constructed by terrorists but by political agendas and power plays in Canberra. Mr Cheong subtly attempted to highlight this point during a national radio interview. Obviously too subtly because very few people picked up on the message.
“Pointless any more discussion. Your agenda has been clearly annunciated.”
This comment was aimed only at Slamer. Any further discussion about AN’s demise is pointless with someone who is viewing the issue with dispute colored glasses.
For info.
I was not involved with the dispute. I was not employed by AN during its dying days. I was a non-flying manager with AN for many years and still to this day have a fond affection for the company and its people. I am a capitalist, pure and simple. My comments here on pprune clearly indicate that I am in favor of letting the market make decisions.
But what troubles me is that the collapse of AN was not such an example. A troubled carrier it was, but make no mistake, there were forces at play that ensured any financial weakness displayed by AN would be exploited to provide opportunity for change that is still playing out today.
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I am a capitalist, pure and simple. My comments here on pprune clearly indicate that I am in favor of letting the market make decisions.
This is the main reason for the current GFC...
there were forces at play that ensured any financial weakness displayed by AN would be exploited to provide opportunity for change that is still playing out today.