Melbourne LMO Merger
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Yes AtALoss, aboslutely correct. I followed it up again late today - actually saw a fax copy of the memo. 23rd was the only detail, no explaination of how it is going to work (or not work as the case may be!!) - I guess that's because they have no idea, and are just hoping against hope that perhaps it might work.
My source (admittedly, not from Melbourne) said that the company's position is that they have addressed all of the long list of "matters for consideration". I wonder if any of the Melb staff affected agree and especially if the ALAEA agrees with this statement. Would be good to hear the ALAEA's position on this.
From my reading of just point one and two of the ALAEA's letter to QF management, there must have been a written agreement between both parties AND it shouold have been voted on by those involved. Has this happened???
Then there are the other 31 points!!!.........
This situation could set precedents for those
of us in the rest of the country - so I do feel we should be kept informed (ie many of the issues are national - not local).
Can you shed any light ALAEA Fed Sec?
My source (admittedly, not from Melbourne) said that the company's position is that they have addressed all of the long list of "matters for consideration". I wonder if any of the Melb staff affected agree and especially if the ALAEA agrees with this statement. Would be good to hear the ALAEA's position on this.
From my reading of just point one and two of the ALAEA's letter to QF management, there must have been a written agreement between both parties AND it shouold have been voted on by those involved. Has this happened???
Then there are the other 31 points!!!.........
This situation could set precedents for those
of us in the rest of the country - so I do feel we should be kept informed (ie many of the issues are national - not local).
Can you shed any light ALAEA Fed Sec?
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None of our concerns have been addressed. There is no agreement. There are no details. I know what the company expects us to do. I am certain they have no idea what we will do.
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Given what occured in Syd last week regarding the forced transfers from SIT - I hope there is a lesson there for our colleugues down south. Co-operate at your peril.
Keep this in mind when you meet/vote tomorrow on the company imposed merger. Do you think the management have your best interests at heart???? Ha Ha Ha....sadly, I think not!
Could it be their bonuses are at heart?? Well, that's an interesting concept. Perhaps it forms part of a KPI for them - who knows?....but more to the point, Who cares?
Think of the type of person QF now employs at manager level right around the country - think of their behaviour over the past few years. Some have gone, many are still there. Some have even been promoted.....UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!
Be very wary.
Keep this in mind when you meet/vote tomorrow on the company imposed merger. Do you think the management have your best interests at heart???? Ha Ha Ha....sadly, I think not!
Could it be their bonuses are at heart?? Well, that's an interesting concept. Perhaps it forms part of a KPI for them - who knows?....but more to the point, Who cares?
Think of the type of person QF now employs at manager level right around the country - think of their behaviour over the past few years. Some have gone, many are still there. Some have even been promoted.....UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!
Be very wary.
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Things are getting excited down south. The day is drawing closer, and still no real word from management how all this is going to happen.
Seems the domestic brothers, or at least some of them, are getting worried how it will effect them. Will this cut into their power domain, will it effect their O/T, must they be forever cast to the hangar?
One domestic crew voted unanimously that company was doing correct thing. No problems from them. Seems little bit strange not one was against it. Could it be stand-over tactics from the crew leaders?
I suppose all will be revealed in next couple of weeks. Brothers down south, keep your rear end covered at all times, wear your kevlar vest, and beware the wrath of Dumb and Dumber.
Seems the domestic brothers, or at least some of them, are getting worried how it will effect them. Will this cut into their power domain, will it effect their O/T, must they be forever cast to the hangar?
One domestic crew voted unanimously that company was doing correct thing. No problems from them. Seems little bit strange not one was against it. Could it be stand-over tactics from the crew leaders?
I suppose all will be revealed in next couple of weeks. Brothers down south, keep your rear end covered at all times, wear your kevlar vest, and beware the wrath of Dumb and Dumber.
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"M"-day draws near!! Haven't heard much on the grapevine recently.....is the merger still going ahead? Is it still happening on Monday?? Have they sorted out all of the issues?? Did they have a vote and what was the result? (I note that you said a domestic crew voted for it AtALoss, did you mean 1 domestic crew or all the domestic crews??) What about the International Crews - did they vote for it??
So much to do - so little management ability to do it!!!
I guess it's been put off again has it??
So much to do - so little management ability to do it!!!
I guess it's been put off again has it??
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Just to answer a few questions. Management are pushing the merger through on Monday. The ALAEA had written with 33 concerns, management wrote back and of the concerns, brushed 30 aside, said yes to 3 of which one was a commitment to install a bigger SLII desk within 2 weeks, that was 6 weeks ago, still no desk.
From memory the results were -
Q1 Are you satisfied with management response - 33 yes (23 from one crew) 88 no.
Q2 should we encourage management to continue with merger 53 yes 68 no. (2 Dom crews in favour, 2 against and most international voted no). (many yes votes from members who just want to get it over)
Q3 Do we have a vote on extended hours rosters (to possibly see if they can run the merger on an 8 hour roster). 33 yes 90 no (2 Dom crews in favour of the battle, 2 against and most international against).
The ALAEA can't prevent them from telling the blokes to start in a different location right now. The fight will take place in 12 months time when EA negotiations are due. Any changes in any port that are against the wishes of our members will now become EA claims for the next round.
From memory the results were -
Q1 Are you satisfied with management response - 33 yes (23 from one crew) 88 no.
Q2 should we encourage management to continue with merger 53 yes 68 no. (2 Dom crews in favour, 2 against and most international voted no). (many yes votes from members who just want to get it over)
Q3 Do we have a vote on extended hours rosters (to possibly see if they can run the merger on an 8 hour roster). 33 yes 90 no (2 Dom crews in favour of the battle, 2 against and most international against).
The ALAEA can't prevent them from telling the blokes to start in a different location right now. The fight will take place in 12 months time when EA negotiations are due. Any changes in any port that are against the wishes of our members will now become EA claims for the next round.
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The ALAEA can't prevent them from telling the blokes to start in a different location right now. The fight will take place in 12 months time when EA negotiations are due. Any changes in any port that are against the wishes of our members will now become EA claims for the next round.
So,on the 23rd,all the problems of management are going to be solved!
Lets see,the operation will become a DYNAMIC business!!!!,MCC will allocate lots more work to Melb,the overtime will be shared equally around,the rosters will remain the same,management will go out and get all the customers back,and of course we will all be treated as people-not as S..T!
Gee,im glad i just woke up-what a bad dream!
Lets see,the operation will become a DYNAMIC business!!!!,MCC will allocate lots more work to Melb,the overtime will be shared equally around,the rosters will remain the same,management will go out and get all the customers back,and of course we will all be treated as people-not as S..T!
Gee,im glad i just woke up-what a bad dream!
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management will go out and get all the customers back
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How did day one of the grand plan go guys?? No doubt the extra efficiencies gained by such a well thought out and executed folly...sorry I mean idea....would result in a perfect record of on-time departures and many people sitting around 'cos of the brilliant use of manpower??
Would be interesetd to hear how it all went.
Would be interesetd to hear how it all went.
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The merge has happened.
I'm told that nothing but location has changed for the International brothers. Still treated like S
T from management and some Domestic guys.
Domestic brothers are mixed. Some good, some not so good. Depends on which crew you work with. No change here!
Management still not leading. The locals think that the management team are so stupid, they don't know how to make it work. I agree.
No efficiencies yet. Maybe never.
I'm told that nothing but location has changed for the International brothers. Still treated like S
T from management and some Domestic guys.Domestic brothers are mixed. Some good, some not so good. Depends on which crew you work with. No change here!
Management still not leading. The locals think that the management team are so stupid, they don't know how to make it work. I agree.
No efficiencies yet. Maybe never.
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Ah well...been wondering how it all went - guess it wasn't TOO bad or we would have heard something on pprune or on the grapevine.
Just wondering how it works? Do the International guys handle international A/C and Domestic guys domestic A/C? or is everyone mixed up (figuratively speaking!!!). I guess there is a DMM or S/Lame (or both)based at Int. terminal for health and safety reasons, is there?
What about all of the different procedures in use at each terminal - have they rationalised procedures or still use Dom at Dom and Int at Int?
What about paperwork - I seem to remember hearing there are two different paperwork systems in Melbourne - is that still the case?
Just wondering how it works? Do the International guys handle international A/C and Domestic guys domestic A/C? or is everyone mixed up (figuratively speaking!!!). I guess there is a DMM or S/Lame (or both)based at Int. terminal for health and safety reasons, is there?
What about all of the different procedures in use at each terminal - have they rationalised procedures or still use Dom at Dom and Int at Int?
What about paperwork - I seem to remember hearing there are two different paperwork systems in Melbourne - is that still the case?
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looks like brissy
at a loss looks like the same thing is happening at bne the international boys go to the dom to do their sh*t work like the towing in the morning so they can rest up then back again later for the arvo rush so they can rest up some more then all over on night shift so we can wrap up all the work before we go home so they can rest up.....because they have morning tarmac.....cannot let them get fatigued....meanwhile the international aircraft on dayshift are worked with the bare min as most are over the dom .....
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These issues are everywhere. The jetbase boys are made to do the towing or crap work that SIT and SDO don't want. It sucks when at 0530 you are asked to move an SDO aircraft because their guys have gone home early. All care but no responsibility. Admittedly the management of base maintenance should grow a spine and tell them to do it themselves rather than send their guys home early.
So in the end it doesn't matter which port or what section you are in there is and will probably always be issues. Merging or splitting areas doesn't seem to fix anything. Maybe a purging of management might.
So in the end it doesn't matter which port or what section you are in there is and will probably always be issues. Merging or splitting areas doesn't seem to fix anything. Maybe a purging of management might.
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Explosive first post dom butt monkey 
Unfortunately the writing is on the wall for BIT. A merger with the dark side is inevitable. When JAL pull out of BNE and the Korean contract ends up in the recycle bin with the rest, it's going to get harder to justify a separate international operation.
So get used to spending more time in the land of many flat screen TVs
Unfortunately the writing is on the wall for BIT. A merger with the dark side is inevitable. When JAL pull out of BNE and the Korean contract ends up in the recycle bin with the rest, it's going to get harder to justify a separate international operation.
So get used to spending more time in the land of many flat screen TVs
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The jetbase boys are made to do the towing or crap work that SIT and SDO don't want.
Jetbase boys will be getting 12 S.I.T. boys, so I guess you'll be doing more S.I.T. crap, as there will barely be anyone left at S.I.T. as we're so busy backfilling Base and S.D.T.
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I suppose the transition from dealing with foreign, procedures,air and cabin crew and maint watch when things go pear shaped,to now tossing a chock and a fast lap of the airframe must be a bit demoralising to say the least.Its no wonder the brothers seem so depressed,or is it just a nightshift thing.HTFU.