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Old 15th Aug 2009, 05:08
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Normally, once you reach a certain level of experience you are pretty safe. Not in PNG though. Someone with thousands of hours and years in the country can go to work and on that particular day the holes in the swiss cheese line up resulting in a fatal accident.

There are so many traps waiting, from false gaps in the ranges to temperature and dew point suddenly closing. In less than three months up there I remember two bad accidents. Looking for a crashed aircraft and the subsequent recovery of the bodies isn't something I ever want to repeat.

Years on, and now surrounded by more safety features than I could ever have imagined before, I still feel for those aviators risking their lives in the highlands.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 07:57
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Last pic looks like Simbai in the Adelbert Ranges, Madang District ??
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 08:29
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Airplane hits a hill. At a certain level of experience/job description it could have happened to any of us.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 08:57
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Tinpis - I had to go back and locate AMOSdigit to see what prompted your incisive comment.

Talk about laid back darwinian.

Reminds me of 'Bill the Ringer'.

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Old 15th Aug 2009, 09:01
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I just want to show what some places are like and what is expected of the crews.

This place is Noqui, Northern Angola, one way strip,terrain not as big but very similar to PNG

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Noqui Dry Season, looking at the hill at the end of the runway

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Noqui Wet Season, who stole the mountain????

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rapidly changing weather, few options and terrain..... all makes for a bad day.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 09:04
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Last pic looks like Simbai in the Adelbert Ranges, Madang District ??
It does too, bum bitey seat buttons on T/O?

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Old 15th Aug 2009, 11:21
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Someone with thousands of hours and years in the country can go to work and on that particular day the holes in the swiss cheese line up resulting in a fatal accident.
Indeed, Metro man. My second last employer there fell into that category and 'bought the farm' crossing a ridge, something he was always impressing upon us to be done with great caution, especially in marginal weather.

RIP RR.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 12:13
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Same Gap Diff Prob West of Mendi

Hey Wiley I remem gam fam With all that vert scenery not always cloud related probs Out of Mendi way back when bound Margarima. Unusual for such low lats BIG westerley flow.
Equip was C206 full of kiaps etc. When in the gap instead of resembling a U at about 20 deg down elevation VSI perpendicular and gap looked like a wine glass from the stem.

Stall warns giong ape and failry steep turn 2 get out. Missed yr red orchid. and gen consensis of all was back 2 the MENDI val club for a few SPs.

Unforgiving country. PS if that was Simbai its almost a metropolis.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 22:51
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I suppose we should all be grateful that the rescue operation has been pulled off successfully and there were no further incidents.

There have been tragic incidents in the past where other lives were lost in the rescue operations. I remember during the search for the baron that went down in the Tomba Gap,(early 80's), one of the searchers got out to clean the window she would be looking out of and walked into the turning prop of the BN2 on the tarmac in Hagen, killing her instantly. very,very sad!

Back to the current issue, any updates from the crash site? Any good links with photographs? Have all the bodies been recovered?
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 22:58
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Would it be fair to say that the aim of the task is to bring the deceased home to their loved ones so that the grieving process can be completed?

I know personally the feeling to be able to help in the aftermath of a tragedy. To help those in need in giving by oneself.........

Does it really matter who completes the job though? The task is not for us or our egos - it is for the families who have lost their loved ones.

Pissing into wind about aircraft "colours" (just like ****** gang dudes) helps no body. Think of the big picture and put your egos aside - like I remember we all used to do when flying in PNG. PNG flying I remember was a team environment where everyone helped everyone and no one was out to be the hero.

The grieving families come first and foremost.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 23:15
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Well said Chuck.
There always seems to be a lack of appreciation of civilian input to military operations. I put it down to the brainwashing and "Top Gun" attitude drilled in at officers school. And they get to play with the latest expensive toys. Remember years ago when the chief engineer and self hitched a ride back to Santo on a N.Z. Hercules on cyclone relief. They had landed there on the way up, and were taking a load of food back, and the High Comm got us a lift to pick up a plane. Came up the front as we crossed the coast to ask and watch the landing. The N.Z. Flight Lt. and American A.F. Capt. had changed places on this leg. They went past the town, headed out S.E., did a turn, came back, slowed up, flaps down, gear down, went down. (good weather). At about 600', I said on the intercom "are we going to land on this strip?" "yes" they said. "well as far as I am aware" I said, "this is an old coral WW2 bomber strip with a fence across it and they run cattle, the main airport is on the eastern side of the town". We got a little lower, they put on power, climbed up, went over to the east, and we landed at Pekoa. Never said a word to me or the chief engineer. Not a word of thanks, a joke, or anything. To embarassed I guess... Telling it now won't hurt anyones career, it was a quarter century ago. ANYONE can make a mistake or forget, or have a bad day, no matter what they fly, what nationality they are, or how good they think they are... Just remember Carters hostage rescue fiasco in the desert...
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 03:22
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Have been reading PNG threads for years and this activates me to contribute. Those with experience and common sense stand out. My first year in TPNG was in 1970 which Jim Sinclair reminded us in Balus was a notable year for fatal crashes. In September I had lunch at Kokoda where I was based with Water Resource passengers waiying for their Aztec from Moresby. Two hours later I was airborne in normal afternoon wx looking for their wreckage. During this search I was directed to a shiny flash observed on the normally cloud enveloped Mt Scratchley. It turned out to be a US Navy C47 missing since 1944 from memory and had not been seen before because it was at 12,000 ft.
I very much identify with flying under limited VFR conditions in the mountains as most commercial helicopters back in the 70's were only equipped with engine instruments and a magnetic compass. A Bell 47 with its limited power was a wonderful training ground for later operations in larger machines which still lacked artificial horizons. As a helicopter pilot I envied the fuel endurance of fixed wing but will admit to a preference for the emergency landing options of a helicopter should the mist fully clag in
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 06:48
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I have deleted a few posts that were heading off in a less than helpful direction. Its a great thread, even better when we all play on the same team
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 07:23
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Glad to see they are getting decent wx for the recovery. not many soties canned so far.
Anyone know when services might recommence?
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 17:54
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Agree with you completely. This is really a different type of flying than most of us have ever or will ever experience. Question, not to be flip, but is there ever strick VFR conditions in PNG?
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 18:18
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I wouldn't bet on it wes_wall
May start out good but you can bet you will have to "bend" the rules somewhere during the day.
In my day of compass and watch no nav-aids, the general consensus was that if you didnt scare yourself silly at least once a week, you weren't trying hard enough.

This dude KNOWS where he is going
Imagine if you didnt?

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Old 16th Aug 2009, 22:22
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Great video Tinny.

Here are a couple more (not mine unfortunately).



Not in PNG, but very similar YouTube - Flying to Folopa



YouTube - MAF - landing at Kafa, PNG

BTW, where was that thread on how to embed a video?
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 23:38
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Foreign Correspondent - ABC1 Television Guide

ABC running a story on PNG aviation made PRIOR to this.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 23:38
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Great video Tinpis

I saw some very similar flying in Timor on an MI-8 and regularly saw Lloyds 212s taking off into similar conditions for medevac ops.
Brilliant pilots, great skill set but obviously honed through fair wx experience in that terrain. Idon't believe the particular MI-8 on which I flew posessed a GPS at the time.
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Old 17th Aug 2009, 00:15
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Strapped, How much PNG time you got?
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