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good points.
I think however the very overt grabs by Westy & Co were and & are very deliberate -
Whether the intent of constantly repeating their JQ company line was to mitigate the possibility of the Manilla angle being beaten up, or to deflect AF447 connotations or;
... if it was to actually underscore the cred of JQ, through the integrity of Q Engineering, (one expects it was the latter).....it was the on air delivery by Westy and JQ's Chief Pilot which was a little amatuerish, and that has prompted some to react.
Just gives rise to the old chestnut that unless you have experienced seasoned journalists who actually fly doing the media roles,
the stories and messages published/broadcast will be at best pragmatic speculative and most likely sensationalist.
The real story is the safe handling of any irreg such as this one is a proof point of quality training and having professional people in control.
AT
good points.
I think however the very overt grabs by Westy & Co were and & are very deliberate -
Whether the intent of constantly repeating their JQ company line was to mitigate the possibility of the Manilla angle being beaten up, or to deflect AF447 connotations or;
... if it was to actually underscore the cred of JQ, through the integrity of Q Engineering, (one expects it was the latter).....it was the on air delivery by Westy and JQ's Chief Pilot which was a little amatuerish, and that has prompted some to react.
Just gives rise to the old chestnut that unless you have experienced seasoned journalists who actually fly doing the media roles,
the stories and messages published/broadcast will be at best pragmatic speculative and most likely sensationalist.
The real story is the safe handling of any irreg such as this one is a proof point of quality training and having professional people in control.
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hmmm... tjc: the link you provided seems to refer to another similar event that occurred on a QF 747-338 on 25/02 rather than the A330 yesterday, as under discussion on this thread.
Just prompting what will come out after the professionals do there investigating, hence "Similar Window Event".
The media will do a Jetstar bash, just like they always do when these things happen, ala Qantas.
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This is a strange way for Strambi to admit that Jetstar lied by saying the last major check was carried out in Australia. He could have titled it
"Qantas refute claims by Engineers union that maintenance was carried out overseas even though it was carried out overseas."
Qantas press release below -
"Qantas refute claims by Engineers union that maintenance was carried out overseas even though it was carried out overseas."
Qantas press release below -
QANTAS STATEMENT ON ENGINEERING UNION CLAIMS
SYDNEY, 11 June 2009: Qantas today strongly refuted claims made by the Federal Secretary of an aviation
engineering union regarding maintenance of the aircraft involved in today’s Jetstar inflight incident and
diversion to Guam.
Group Executive Qantas Airlines Operations, Mr Lyell Strambi, said the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers
Association’s (ALAEA) Steve Purvinas was well known for making inflammatory statements and not letting the
facts get in the way of his story.
“The A330-200 aircraft involved in this incident was delivered new by Airbus in 2007,” Mr Strambi said.
“It has since undergone a number of routine maintenance checks – most recently by Qantas Engineering in
Melbourne in May this year, while its one and only heavy maintenance check was done by Lufthansa Technik
in Manila in December 2008.
“We don’t resile from this in any way and Mr Purvinas is deliberately twisting words in suggesting Jetstar has
tried to link the issue to Qantas engineers in Australia.”
Mr Strambi said the union also knew that:
�� where Qantas Engineering does not have the capacity to do work in Australia, it is done by reputable
overseas providers. They are certified by CASA and Qantas and their work is overseen by on-site Qantas
engineers; and
�� Qantas recently announced that Qantas Group A330 heavy maintenance would be undertaken in Brisbane
from 2010.
“Qantas always has high levels of oversight in place, so where maintenance takes place is not relevant,” Mr
Strambi said.
“Had Mr Purvinas checked his facts and been able to think outside his narrow industrial agenda, as any good
engineer would, he would know that the electrical connector that caused the Jetstar incident was not part of
the work undertaken in Manila last year.
“There has been no requirement to touch this component since the aircraft was delivered, there is no history of
it being an issue with our A330 fleet and there have been no directives from Airbus covering this component.
“And had he checked, he would know that the B747 issue referred to was fully and independently investigated
by the ATSB. The issue was known to Boeing, which was developing a modification to address it and the
ATSB could not link the issue with any previous heavy maintenance work.
“Qantas is committed to the highest operational and safety standards, and the ALAEA is slandering the hard
work of its members when it makes baseless and ill-informed claims regarding our engineering operations.”
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3926)
Media Enquiries: Simon Rushton T: 02 9691 3742
SYDNEY, 11 June 2009: Qantas today strongly refuted claims made by the Federal Secretary of an aviation
engineering union regarding maintenance of the aircraft involved in today’s Jetstar inflight incident and
diversion to Guam.
Group Executive Qantas Airlines Operations, Mr Lyell Strambi, said the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers
Association’s (ALAEA) Steve Purvinas was well known for making inflammatory statements and not letting the
facts get in the way of his story.
“The A330-200 aircraft involved in this incident was delivered new by Airbus in 2007,” Mr Strambi said.
“It has since undergone a number of routine maintenance checks – most recently by Qantas Engineering in
Melbourne in May this year, while its one and only heavy maintenance check was done by Lufthansa Technik
in Manila in December 2008.
“We don’t resile from this in any way and Mr Purvinas is deliberately twisting words in suggesting Jetstar has
tried to link the issue to Qantas engineers in Australia.”
Mr Strambi said the union also knew that:
�� where Qantas Engineering does not have the capacity to do work in Australia, it is done by reputable
overseas providers. They are certified by CASA and Qantas and their work is overseen by on-site Qantas
engineers; and
�� Qantas recently announced that Qantas Group A330 heavy maintenance would be undertaken in Brisbane
from 2010.
“Qantas always has high levels of oversight in place, so where maintenance takes place is not relevant,” Mr
Strambi said.
“Had Mr Purvinas checked his facts and been able to think outside his narrow industrial agenda, as any good
engineer would, he would know that the electrical connector that caused the Jetstar incident was not part of
the work undertaken in Manila last year.
“There has been no requirement to touch this component since the aircraft was delivered, there is no history of
it being an issue with our A330 fleet and there have been no directives from Airbus covering this component.
“And had he checked, he would know that the B747 issue referred to was fully and independently investigated
by the ATSB. The issue was known to Boeing, which was developing a modification to address it and the
ATSB could not link the issue with any previous heavy maintenance work.
“Qantas is committed to the highest operational and safety standards, and the ALAEA is slandering the hard
work of its members when it makes baseless and ill-informed claims regarding our engineering operations.”
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3926)
Media Enquiries: Simon Rushton T: 02 9691 3742
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Regardless of who serviced the a/c all that will come out later, congratulations to the tech crew, a **** of a way to spend the flight, a bbq on the flight deck, followed by a trip into a unknown airport, and a military one at that, well done lads or ladettes.
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Military, yes, but just another airport. Many civil airlines use it every day/night, not hard at all to get in and out of.
Sounds like the crew did a great job.
Well done....
Sounds like the crew did a great job.
Well done....
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Tic, thanks for your lead to the 747 incident. A lot of people may be jumping to the conclusion that whoops, another problem with the Airbus........I did when I heard it on BBC world service last night.
The Flight Crew were certainly handy with the extinguisher, is locating the fire extinguisher part of the pre-flight checks?
At least he didn't get sucked halfway out of the cockpit, like that poor pilot over Newbury in the UK, who spent the remainder of the flight mostly out the window with only a steward hanging on to his heels; I heard about that one from someone who knew the steward, he said there was no way I thought he was still alive so I almost let go.......
In that case, the engineers had fitted a replacement window with the wrong size screws....
Thread creep, sorry, Mods.
Mary, Mary, now I'm contrary!
Thread creep?
How about a continental leap! 
This thread topic or the posts disappear!
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The Flight Crew were certainly handy with the extinguisher, is locating the fire extinguisher part of the pre-flight checks?
At least he didn't get sucked halfway out of the cockpit, like that poor pilot over Newbury in the UK, who spent the remainder of the flight mostly out the window with only a steward hanging on to his heels; I heard about that one from someone who knew the steward, he said there was no way I thought he was still alive so I almost let go.......
In that case, the engineers had fitted a replacement window with the wrong size screws....
Thread creep, sorry, Mods.
Mary, Mary, now I'm contrary!
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As I recall, the flight deck extinguisher on the Bus is in pretty close proximity to the FO, anyone else care to confirm?
Crew being praised all round, except for one bogan on the radio inferring that the cabin crew were panicky, making a crude comment about laundry...
I'm sure they all acted professionally, having experienced a lav fire warning myself (turned out to be a false alarm thankfully) it does get the adrenaline going, but I'm sure that's all he would have observed... passengers tend to get alarmed when the FAs suddenly get very alert and move quickly anywhere in the cabin... wouldn't call that panicking though!
Crew being praised all round, except for one bogan on the radio inferring that the cabin crew were panicky, making a crude comment about laundry...
I'm sure they all acted professionally, having experienced a lav fire warning myself (turned out to be a false alarm thankfully) it does get the adrenaline going, but I'm sure that's all he would have observed... passengers tend to get alarmed when the FAs suddenly get very alert and move quickly anywhere in the cabin... wouldn't call that panicking though!
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Jeeeezus!!! 
Sky News:
"Jetstar passengers tell of their fear when their Airbus caught fire!"
Together with the usual passenger cell phone footage..........
All the usual comments "Same type as the Air France Airbus"; "No indication it was the same problem"; "Passengers have praised the pilots for extinguishing the fire."
Not denigrating the crew - well done, very professional, another good day in the office - but I wonder what else they would do but extinguish the fire? Cook their breakfast or brew up a morning coffee perhaps?
Can't say I've ever traveled in an A330 but I doubt I'd get too excited about a cockpit window heating element getting fried, especially when I know the guys in the front seat have very well developed personal survival instincts!
Another day of the life of an Australian airline! Hope Jetstar don't charge the passengers extra for the stop over!
Sky News:
"Jetstar passengers tell of their fear when their Airbus caught fire!"
Together with the usual passenger cell phone footage..........
All the usual comments "Same type as the Air France Airbus"; "No indication it was the same problem"; "Passengers have praised the pilots for extinguishing the fire."
Not denigrating the crew - well done, very professional, another good day in the office - but I wonder what else they would do but extinguish the fire? Cook their breakfast or brew up a morning coffee perhaps?
Can't say I've ever traveled in an A330 but I doubt I'd get too excited about a cockpit window heating element getting fried, especially when I know the guys in the front seat have very well developed personal survival instincts!
Another day of the life of an Australian airline! Hope Jetstar don't charge the passengers extra for the stop over!
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Guam (PGUM) is not a military airfield, that is Andersen AFB about 10 nm to the SE. Guam is a civil airport, nothing else. I think there is also a Navy airfield to the west but am ready to be corrected on that.
Radar services there are excellent, from experience.
As for it being an "unknown airport", I would have expected the crew to have been thoroughly briefed seeing it was on their route and most likely an EDTO alternate. Regs require crew on RPT flights to be so briefed. Maybe they hadn't ever operated into the place (although if the airline is using the sim properly the crew should have been there in that manner, at least) but they should certainly should have had a working knowledge of it. If they hadn't then something is amiss.
Not taking away from their response to the situation one iota, just let's keep it factual.
Radar services there are excellent, from experience.
As for it being an "unknown airport", I would have expected the crew to have been thoroughly briefed seeing it was on their route and most likely an EDTO alternate. Regs require crew on RPT flights to be so briefed. Maybe they hadn't ever operated into the place (although if the airline is using the sim properly the crew should have been there in that manner, at least) but they should certainly should have had a working knowledge of it. If they hadn't then something is amiss.
Not taking away from their response to the situation one iota, just let's keep it factual.
Sounds like a job well done. ILS ok but NPA can be a bit tricky as the Nimitz VORTAC is on a hill short of the runway. The Korean Airline accident photos show it well.
NAS Agana closed in 95 or so but the memories of the Trench Bar and throwing all of those screwed up USD1 bills on to the floor remain.
So what could be the cause of the window fire, why didnt the Cb trip?
NAS Agana closed in 95 or so but the memories of the Trench Bar and throwing all of those screwed up USD1 bills on to the floor remain.
So what could be the cause of the window fire, why didnt the Cb trip?
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Isn't the NAS Satation at Nimitz. the western end of the island? Agana (civilian ) is in the middle. Andersen is at the eastern end - a long way away from the hills. It is also a USAF bsae
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All the hype and hysteria, refer to Tail Wheels post for exapmle and anywhere else the media get involved.......... was it too cryptic???
The crew had a situation, not nice, maybe really threatening, maybe just a small issue , but they handled it well and all are safe.............. at least this A330 they can find. The other one and 200+ pax they may never find. Some folk just need to get a few things in perspective. And the media need to stop over hyping the minor scary moments to the point they are equal to a major one like the AF crash.
Does that help?
J
Jeeeezus!!! 
Sky News:
"Jetstar passengers tell of their fear when their Airbus caught fire!"
Together with the usual passenger cell phone footage..........
All the usual comments "Same type as the Air France Airbus"; "No indication it was the same problem"; "Passengers have praised the pilots for extinguishing the fire."
Not denigrating the crew - well done, very professional, another good day in the office - but I wonder what else they would do but extinguish the fire? Cook their breakfast or brew up a morning coffee perhaps?
Can't say I've ever traveled in an A330 but I doubt I'd get too excited about a cockpit window heating element getting fried, especially when I know the guys in the front seat have very well developed personal survival instincts!
Another day of the life of an Australian airline! Hope Jetstar don't charge the passengers extra for the stop over!
Today 18:23
Sky News:
"Jetstar passengers tell of their fear when their Airbus caught fire!"
Together with the usual passenger cell phone footage..........
All the usual comments "Same type as the Air France Airbus"; "No indication it was the same problem"; "Passengers have praised the pilots for extinguishing the fire."
Not denigrating the crew - well done, very professional, another good day in the office - but I wonder what else they would do but extinguish the fire? Cook their breakfast or brew up a morning coffee perhaps?
Can't say I've ever traveled in an A330 but I doubt I'd get too excited about a cockpit window heating element getting fried, especially when I know the guys in the front seat have very well developed personal survival instincts!
Another day of the life of an Australian airline! Hope Jetstar don't charge the passengers extra for the stop over!
Today 18:23
Does that help?
J
is locating the fire extinguisher part of the pre-flight checks?
the flight deck extinguisher on the Bus is in pretty close proximity to the FO, anyone else care to confirm?
Well the BCF on the QF A330's that I fly is located on the bulkhead behind the Captain. Either Techie would need to get out of their respective seats in order to grab the BCF.