Jetstar Spin: Osaka cancelled due to Swine flu?!
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Jetstar Spin: Osaka cancelled due to Swine flu?!
news:www.goldcoast.com.au/article/20...top-story.htmlWhen AIPA dug in its heels regarding the direct Mumbai flights and the allowances review, or lack of it, we got magnificent spin from QF management about how paying 4 tech crew about 50 bucks more was going mean the end of the service, or the operation of the the service by Jetstar. It was a load of hogwash of course.
Their counterparts in Jetstar obviously took note...
Swine Flu has come to the aid of Jetstar management, desperate to find another reason apart from exceeding poor patronage of their service from day one, to cancel the service.
Thank God for Swine Flu. It explains why the Jetstar flights have been climbing to FL390 out of both Tokyo and Osaka since last December.
Why is only the media fooled by this?
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I doubt whether the media would know the difference between FL390 and swine flu....
Accuracy is a word that does not exist in most journo's vocab....
I doubt whether the media would know the difference between FL390 and swine flu....
Accuracy is a word that does not exist in most journo's vocab....
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Captain Kremin,
You currently aren't flying direct Mumbai are you????
Jetstar flights out of Tokyo are climbing to the same levels as the QF 330 flights - what's your point???
Thankfully there has been some common sense and consolidation of routes to Japan at the moment. If it were up to me I would cancel all Jetstar services to Japan and let mainline wear the losses rather than having them on Jetstar’s books.
Personally I'm sick of the group's profits being haemorrhaged by practices that leave a serviceable A330 (with a red tail) sitting on the tarmac at Narita for the whole day.
You currently aren't flying direct Mumbai are you????
Jetstar flights out of Tokyo are climbing to the same levels as the QF 330 flights - what's your point???
Thankfully there has been some common sense and consolidation of routes to Japan at the moment. If it were up to me I would cancel all Jetstar services to Japan and let mainline wear the losses rather than having them on Jetstar’s books.
Personally I'm sick of the group's profits being haemorrhaged by practices that leave a serviceable A330 (with a red tail) sitting on the tarmac at Narita for the whole day.
Jetstar cancels a third of Japan flights | Tourism Australia blasts swine flu 'hysteria'
Jetstar cancels a third of Japan flights
May 27, 2009 - 11:39AM
Jetstar will cancel 31 of its Japan flights - almost one third - next month due to "significant softening" of passenger loads amid swine flu fears.
The airline operates 21 flights per week to Japan and maintains it is committed to the market.
However, Jetstar warned more cutbacks may follow if conditions don't improve.
"Initially, we were seeing a lot of school group cancellations but it is now transferring through to Japanese nationals of any background or persuasion," Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway told The Australian.
Westaways comments were backed up by the Australian Tourism Council, who blasted political leaders and the media over what it says is the "hysteria" surrounding the latest swine flu outbreak.
Australian Tourism Export Council managing director Matthew Hingerty says the $26 billion inbound tourism industry has already taken a hit, with a noticeable decline in Japanese tourist groups.
"I'm becoming increasingly alarmed over the hysteria over the swine flu business," Mr Hingerty said.
"My members are rapidly losing business as a result of an overreaction and I appeal to our political leaders and media commentators to keep this in perspective."
Mr Hingerty said the tourism market had already felt the initial impact through a falloff in Japanese school groups visiting Australia.
"This has now spilled over to the mainstream Japanese markets," he said.
"We are already feeling the impact of this, significantly. We have been since the first outbreak."
The comments also come as NSW health authorities come under heavy fire for letting 2,000 passengers disembark from the P&O ship Pacific Dawn, which berthed in Sydney on Monday, despite suspicions two young boys were infected with swine flu.
Fourteen cases have now been recorded from the cruise ship, bringing the national tally to 50.
Mr Hingerty said while it was never ideal that people got sick, medical experts say this was a reasonably mild form of A(H1N1).
He also said no one had died from swine flu in Australia yet, however more than 3,000 Australians die from influenza every year.
He said he hoped to put the swine flu scares into perspective to limit Australia's PR damage.
"We are appealing for everyone to be calm, factual and objective in their reporting and commentary of swine flu," he said.
"We'll work on the medical facts and leave the spin aside."
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The increasing hysteria over this flu is laughable, but I can see it being used as a convenient excuse by governments and corporations to do lots of things that they otherwise could not do.
Jetstar cancels a third of Japan flights
May 27, 2009 - 11:39AM
Jetstar will cancel 31 of its Japan flights - almost one third - next month due to "significant softening" of passenger loads amid swine flu fears.
The airline operates 21 flights per week to Japan and maintains it is committed to the market.
However, Jetstar warned more cutbacks may follow if conditions don't improve.
"Initially, we were seeing a lot of school group cancellations but it is now transferring through to Japanese nationals of any background or persuasion," Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway told The Australian.
Westaways comments were backed up by the Australian Tourism Council, who blasted political leaders and the media over what it says is the "hysteria" surrounding the latest swine flu outbreak.
Australian Tourism Export Council managing director Matthew Hingerty says the $26 billion inbound tourism industry has already taken a hit, with a noticeable decline in Japanese tourist groups.
"I'm becoming increasingly alarmed over the hysteria over the swine flu business," Mr Hingerty said.
"My members are rapidly losing business as a result of an overreaction and I appeal to our political leaders and media commentators to keep this in perspective."
Mr Hingerty said the tourism market had already felt the initial impact through a falloff in Japanese school groups visiting Australia.
"This has now spilled over to the mainstream Japanese markets," he said.
"We are already feeling the impact of this, significantly. We have been since the first outbreak."
The comments also come as NSW health authorities come under heavy fire for letting 2,000 passengers disembark from the P&O ship Pacific Dawn, which berthed in Sydney on Monday, despite suspicions two young boys were infected with swine flu.
Fourteen cases have now been recorded from the cruise ship, bringing the national tally to 50.
Mr Hingerty said while it was never ideal that people got sick, medical experts say this was a reasonably mild form of A(H1N1).
He also said no one had died from swine flu in Australia yet, however more than 3,000 Australians die from influenza every year.
He said he hoped to put the swine flu scares into perspective to limit Australia's PR damage.
"We are appealing for everyone to be calm, factual and objective in their reporting and commentary of swine flu," he said.
"We'll work on the medical facts and leave the spin aside."
AAP
The increasing hysteria over this flu is laughable, but I can see it being used as a convenient excuse by governments and corporations to do lots of things that they otherwise could not do.
Condition Lever,
The practice of leaving aircraft sitting around all day is just one of the many differences between "legacy" carriers and low-cost carriers. Many airlines will time their schedules to suit the premium market's demand, i.e. the SYD-NRT-SYD service leaves Sydney at 10pm and arrives in Japan early, and vice versa. Perhaps that is what business travellers want, the ability to do a full days work at either end before they depart and then when they arrive home.
Qantas do it all over the world, due to a number of factors, not the least the restrictive curfew at their main base in Sydney.
A low-cost carrier tends to work it's schedule around maximising utilisation of the aircraft and then charge punters whatever they can get to fill the seats, whatever the time of day.
What do you suggest they do with the aircraft instead?
Personally I'm sick of the group's profits being haemorrhaged by practices that leave a serviceable A330 (with a red tail) sitting on the tarmac at Narita for the whole day.
Qantas do it all over the world, due to a number of factors, not the least the restrictive curfew at their main base in Sydney.
A low-cost carrier tends to work it's schedule around maximising utilisation of the aircraft and then charge punters whatever they can get to fill the seats, whatever the time of day.
What do you suggest they do with the aircraft instead?
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....stick to a topic that you know about - Airline Planning does not appear to fit the bill.
Thankfully there has been some common sense and consolidation of routes to Japan at the moment. If it were up to me I would cancel all Jetstar services to Japan and let mainline wear the losses rather than having them on Jetstar’s books.
Personally I'm sick of the group's profits being haemorrhaged by practices that leave a serviceable A330 (with a red tail) sitting on the tarmac at Narita for the whole day.
Personally I'm sick of the group's profits being haemorrhaged by practices that leave a serviceable A330 (with a red tail) sitting on the tarmac at Narita for the whole day.
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Condition Lever. The direct A330 SYD-BOM-SYD flights finish next week. They are being replaced by a SIN-BOM-SIN service. Still a QF service. What is your point?
As of the last couple of weeks the QF NRT services have been light. Its the shoulder period or maybe Swine flu hysteria, I don't know. The Jetstar flights have been zooming to the moon since day one. They are always light. This is management spin and nothing else.
If you knew the Japanese market you would know that the average Japanese person does not get a lot of holidays per year. Therefore they would rather fly at night to maximise their time in a holiday destination. The QF 21/22 have been doing it since time immemorial.
You have been listening to much to Jetstar management. I was told by a 24 year old Jetstar Cabin supervisor recently that, quote "Jetstar has learned from Qantas' mistakes." I didn't have the heart to tell her that most consider Jetstar International to be Qantas' biggest mistake so far.
As of the last couple of weeks the QF NRT services have been light. Its the shoulder period or maybe Swine flu hysteria, I don't know. The Jetstar flights have been zooming to the moon since day one. They are always light. This is management spin and nothing else.
If you knew the Japanese market you would know that the average Japanese person does not get a lot of holidays per year. Therefore they would rather fly at night to maximise their time in a holiday destination. The QF 21/22 have been doing it since time immemorial.
You have been listening to much to Jetstar management. I was told by a 24 year old Jetstar Cabin supervisor recently that, quote "Jetstar has learned from Qantas' mistakes." I didn't have the heart to tell her that most consider Jetstar International to be Qantas' biggest mistake so far.
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Youth is often wasted on the young....
The other thing that should immedietely become obvious to even the hardened J* supporter that aicraft idle with a low yield cannot be securing the volume needed to support the so called "business model". The group cannot be blase with respect to numbers. If indeed J* does not return its cost of capital, sufficient to return a dividend to the shareholders who finance this business, then it may well find a lack of support at board level.
In boom times experiments could be hidden with the sufficient generation of revenue (A330/AO etc). Business "segments" which are not doing what management have alleged could well be in for a shock. That is something that team J* have yet to really notice. Me thinks the longer this downturn goes on we will likely find out just what does what in many businesses around the economy.
With an extremely management friendly contract it is not good news for an employee of J*
The other thing that should immedietely become obvious to even the hardened J* supporter that aicraft idle with a low yield cannot be securing the volume needed to support the so called "business model". The group cannot be blase with respect to numbers. If indeed J* does not return its cost of capital, sufficient to return a dividend to the shareholders who finance this business, then it may well find a lack of support at board level.
In boom times experiments could be hidden with the sufficient generation of revenue (A330/AO etc). Business "segments" which are not doing what management have alleged could well be in for a shock. That is something that team J* have yet to really notice. Me thinks the longer this downturn goes on we will likely find out just what does what in many businesses around the economy.
With an extremely management friendly contract it is not good news for an employee of J*
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TL - fair enough. Not very cost effective though, and you would have to compare the potential drop off in clientele versus the exorbitant cost of parking an NRT and the loss of utilisation of the aircraft. However given there are experts working on this – point conceded.
CK – given you were mouthing off –
I believe you said, clearly something did change and QF are no longer (or soon not to) be doing SYD-BOM-SYD – that was my point.
– what facts are you using to determine that? Hogwash????
Comparing your post to TL’s where the business market is discussed, a large proportion of the pax on Jetstar’s flights are Japanese school children – definitely a holiday market, which would be unlikely to pay the premium cost of QF.
Are you aware of the additional A330s Jetstar will be receiving? No doubt utilisation of these airframes will increase. Will they make more money – I don’t know.
Ken – you are either a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist – do they have their own website where you can make your insightful comments??
My point on this issue is that I would prefer that Jetstar was not in this market at all. It is a loss making exercise that is purely being done to maintain landing slots (no doubt for QF’s premium market in the future). My understanding is that flights are being carried out by J* – not to make money, but to minimise the losses incurred by the group, and that is why Jetstar is now flying them – they make less of a loss in this climate than mainline.
CK – given you were mouthing off –
hogwash
The Jetstar flights have been zooming to the moon since day one. They are always light.
Comparing your post to TL’s where the business market is discussed, a large proportion of the pax on Jetstar’s flights are Japanese school children – definitely a holiday market, which would be unlikely to pay the premium cost of QF.
Are you aware of the additional A330s Jetstar will be receiving? No doubt utilisation of these airframes will increase. Will they make more money – I don’t know.
Ken – you are either a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist – do they have their own website where you can make your insightful comments??
My point on this issue is that I would prefer that Jetstar was not in this market at all. It is a loss making exercise that is purely being done to maintain landing slots (no doubt for QF’s premium market in the future). My understanding is that flights are being carried out by J* – not to make money, but to minimise the losses incurred by the group, and that is why Jetstar is now flying them – they make less of a loss in this climate than mainline.
