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European Summer !!
Hi Guys and Gals (moaners and groaners)
Just to let you all know its 30deg here in N Europe today. BBQ with some crew mates (and maties) this arvo - ladies you dont need to bring a plate- just a smile and your pleasant company XX. Guys- you know what to do - BBQ ready, salad, pavlova (Yes I made it and they love it with fresh strawberries and CREAM). Chilled white wine - too many to choose from - that lovely one we had from the Mosel valley (thats in Germany just down the road) was well recieved by the ladies last week. Beer - well guys there are 438 beers in this country so dont take too long too choose. We will leave the german beers for next week!
Guess what - there is NO BITCHING here - thats why I fly half way around the world to work.
Just to let you all know its 30deg here in N Europe today. BBQ with some crew mates (and maties) this arvo - ladies you dont need to bring a plate- just a smile and your pleasant company XX. Guys- you know what to do - BBQ ready, salad, pavlova (Yes I made it and they love it with fresh strawberries and CREAM). Chilled white wine - too many to choose from - that lovely one we had from the Mosel valley (thats in Germany just down the road) was well recieved by the ladies last week. Beer - well guys there are 438 beers in this country so dont take too long too choose. We will leave the german beers for next week!
Guess what - there is NO BITCHING here - thats why I fly half way around the world to work.
PegasusFury99
It's great to hear things are rosy where you are especially if you like strawberries and cream with your beer.
Have to wonder why you have to keep telling us exactly how good it its.
Reminds me a of a fairy tale about a poor soul, who, once they had made the decision to do something found out that it wan't all beer and skittles, but to not look stupid they kept telling their friends and themselves how good things were.
It's great to hear things are rosy where you are especially if you like strawberries and cream with your beer.
Have to wonder why you have to keep telling us exactly how good it its.
Reminds me a of a fairy tale about a poor soul, who, once they had made the decision to do something found out that it wan't all beer and skittles, but to not look stupid they kept telling their friends and themselves how good things were.
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Thats nice pegasus, I'm all warm inside after you wee rendition of the sound of music. Still, it makes you wonder why expats are coming home in droves? Is the beer warm fella?
Each to their own I guess, I myself, would much rather be at home with friends and family TRYING to earn a fair wage for my profession.
I guess we'll keep bitching over here and you can hold up our end of the bar for us in Europe with all the ladies on your arm. Ya lucky guy!
Hey superdooper, I think most of us pilots with any backnone in this industry would remember you guys and back you wholeheartedly! The only guys that seem to do ok in this industry are the CEO's and their puppet managers that receive huge bonuses for screwing over the workers below them.
Each to their own I guess, I myself, would much rather be at home with friends and family TRYING to earn a fair wage for my profession.
I guess we'll keep bitching over here and you can hold up our end of the bar for us in Europe with all the ladies on your arm. Ya lucky guy!
Hey superdooper, I think most of us pilots with any backnone in this industry would remember you guys and back you wholeheartedly! The only guys that seem to do ok in this industry are the CEO's and their puppet managers that receive huge bonuses for screwing over the workers below them.
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pegasus - I don't quite know what the point of your post was but this is a thread concerning industrial issues and the rapid erosion of terms and conditions in NZ. Inevitably this is not going to be all 'sweetness and light' so if it is too much for you then no one is forcing you to read it.
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Actually the deal at Jetstar is not all that bad, I interviewed last year at no cost to myself. I am going to join Jetstar NZ in a couple of months after 10 years in the UK. I already have an A320 typerating so will not be bonded, I get a $15,000 signing on bonus and bringing a little bit of cash back. Good promotion prospects if the expansion continues on especially with 4,000 hours airbus time and I get to live back in NZ. Things are looking pretty rosey from my point of view, after having done the turboprop / longhaul / shorthaul thing I just want to live in NZ. Jetstar will always attract people like me I suspect. If you don't want to work for them then don't apply. Simple!
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Glad to see your so happy AH
So we wont see you moaning when your working 4days a week doing only 75hrs no overtime.
Or the transfer you to an Australian base paying you NZD, which is just the reverse of whats happening with the Jetstar aus guys in CHC at the moment.
Dont think it wont happen, here is a copy of the Easyjet advert for contract guys. Notice that they can second them to an Aussie base.
If you are interested in this secondment then please apply as soon as possible to An
So we wont see you moaning when your working 4days a week doing only 75hrs no overtime.
Or the transfer you to an Australian base paying you NZD, which is just the reverse of whats happening with the Jetstar aus guys in CHC at the moment.
Dont think it wont happen, here is a copy of the Easyjet advert for contract guys. Notice that they can second them to an Aussie base.
We have received a request from our training provider CTC Aviation to supply 10 current Airbus First
Officers employed on a UK contract to Jetstar, a Qantas company. Jetstar is a large and well known
low cost operator in Australia which is expanding into New Zealand with a new operation
commencing at the end of May 2009. The First Officers are required for approximately 4 months and
will be based primarily in either Auckland or Christchurch. This information has also been issued as a
L2 ADMIN NTC.
Applicant requirements:
Currently qualified A320 family First Officers with a minimum of 1500 hrs total time, at least 500
hrs on the A319/320 and 250 hrs P1 including 150 PICUS. Successful pilots will have their JAA
licence validated locally which will entail sitting AUS or NZ Air law together with a simulator flight
test which will be combined with the normal OPC requirement.
Conditions:
Selected First Officers will be given unpaid leave by easyJet for the period required and relevant
authorisations to work outside easyJet for the period of the secondment. Departure is required
imminently. CTC will contract pilots through a short term employment contract and tax will be
deducted at source from your remuneration.
Remuneration:
Monthly remuneration is expected to be in the region of NZ$10,750 per month (£4300) or pro rata for
the period of the secondment. This comprises of a fixed sum of NZ$9500 (£3800) per month with
hours in excess of 75 per month (averaged over 2 months) meriting an additional payment of NZ$125
per hour. Sample rosters indicate a monthly activity of 85 hours. Per diems are payable at variable
rates for any night stops away from base.
Base:
Currently nominated as Auckland or Christchurch but Jetstar retains the right to second pilots to a
base in Australia if required.
Accommodation:
Serviced accommodation will be provided by Jetstar at the base of operation.
Travel:
Jetstar will provide economy travel with upgrade to Business subject to space available to Bangkok.
Confirmed Business class from Bangkok to Melbourne where initial training will be conducted. All
other air travel to base of operation will be provided by Jetstar.
Visas and permits:
CTC will arrange for all visas and work permits – please note that pilots should have no previous
refusals of visa or work permits on record, nor have any knowledge of a condition that might preclude
the granting of entry into Australia or New Zealand.
Summary & Application process:
If you wish to apply for this secondment opportunity, easyJet will release you on unpaid leave for the
period and CTC will make all other arrangements according to the terms described.
Officers employed on a UK contract to Jetstar, a Qantas company. Jetstar is a large and well known
low cost operator in Australia which is expanding into New Zealand with a new operation
commencing at the end of May 2009. The First Officers are required for approximately 4 months and
will be based primarily in either Auckland or Christchurch. This information has also been issued as a
L2 ADMIN NTC.
Applicant requirements:
Currently qualified A320 family First Officers with a minimum of 1500 hrs total time, at least 500
hrs on the A319/320 and 250 hrs P1 including 150 PICUS. Successful pilots will have their JAA
licence validated locally which will entail sitting AUS or NZ Air law together with a simulator flight
test which will be combined with the normal OPC requirement.
Conditions:
Selected First Officers will be given unpaid leave by easyJet for the period required and relevant
authorisations to work outside easyJet for the period of the secondment. Departure is required
imminently. CTC will contract pilots through a short term employment contract and tax will be
deducted at source from your remuneration.
Remuneration:
Monthly remuneration is expected to be in the region of NZ$10,750 per month (£4300) or pro rata for
the period of the secondment. This comprises of a fixed sum of NZ$9500 (£3800) per month with
hours in excess of 75 per month (averaged over 2 months) meriting an additional payment of NZ$125
per hour. Sample rosters indicate a monthly activity of 85 hours. Per diems are payable at variable
rates for any night stops away from base.
Base:
Currently nominated as Auckland or Christchurch but Jetstar retains the right to second pilots to a
base in Australia if required.
Accommodation:
Serviced accommodation will be provided by Jetstar at the base of operation.
Travel:
Jetstar will provide economy travel with upgrade to Business subject to space available to Bangkok.
Confirmed Business class from Bangkok to Melbourne where initial training will be conducted. All
other air travel to base of operation will be provided by Jetstar.
Visas and permits:
CTC will arrange for all visas and work permits – please note that pilots should have no previous
refusals of visa or work permits on record, nor have any knowledge of a condition that might preclude
the granting of entry into Australia or New Zealand.
Summary & Application process:
If you wish to apply for this secondment opportunity, easyJet will release you on unpaid leave for the
period and CTC will make all other arrangements according to the terms described.
If you are interested in this secondment then please apply as soon as possible to An
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Originally Posted by SLICE
pegasus - I don't quite know what the point of your post was but this is a thread concerning industrial issues and the rapid erosion of terms and conditions in NZ. Inevitably this is not going to be all 'sweetness and light' so if it is too much for you then no one is forcing you to read it.
Well that may have been his intent, but rather than crapping on about a bbq that no one here is the slightest bit interested in and quite frankly could have been anywhere, did he not elaborate on some useful information, such as terms and conditions, as well as required experience by whoever his employer is? In reality, I don't think there is much hiring going on in Europe at the moment so smokin jetstar is all that is around now.
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who cares -
Well may Jetstar retain an option of basing these crews in Australia, because they may need them there sooner rather than later if the rumours of 6 or so resignations in Sydney prove to be true.
Well may Jetstar retain an option of basing these crews in Australia, because they may need them there sooner rather than later if the rumours of 6 or so resignations in Sydney prove to be true.
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Who Cares, what you seem to be missing is that the money aspect to me is of little importance, I would be more disappointed to be working 85 hours plus each month. 4 days a week sounds pretty good to me. If I was concerned about building hours and raking in the pay then I would stay exactly where I am. As for covering flying out of other bases, I will take that as it comes. From my point of view, CHC is a nice airport to operate from and the A320 is a lovely aircraft to fly on short haul ops, some of the approaches will be interesting and I can get back into watching proper ruggar!!
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New Hirings
Winter 08/09 - 16 ab-initio F/Os ie 300hrs TT
Acft - 2 new B737
Spring 09 - 16 Contract Pilots
Still to come - ANOTHER acft
- and its CREW
T&C - excellent (thats why I am here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
WHO - A great company !
Acft - 2 new B737
Spring 09 - 16 Contract Pilots
Still to come - ANOTHER acft
- and its CREW
T&C - excellent (thats why I am here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
WHO - A great company !
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Pegasus, you still don't seem to get it. Im sure we all feel warm and fluffy inside about how good you have it. We are all aware that there are better paying jobs with easier progression in other parts of the world. Many of us have given it a go. This thread is about the conditions available at home and hopefully about improving them for those of us that choose the benefits of our home country over the money abroad. We like it here, thats why we stay!
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Pegasus
Awesome I am glad for you. But what we are trying to do down here is bring T&Cs up to the standard you are currently receiving. Jetstar seeks to lower these and if they become competative then to maximise their profits Air NZ and PB will have to follow by lowering their T&Cs. Already Air NZ have annouced a review of the regional network headed up by a manager with a history in beating down the T&Cs of his staff.
AH
Awesome for you to. Welcome back. Just remember if you do get a Christchurch base it is at the demise of Jet Connect pilots and Jetstar pilots on the Aussie contract who either cannot afford to or have elected not to take a big pay cut to work for J* NZ. These pilots will have no choice but to seek employment overseas.
We call this the brain drain and it is a serious issue amongst all industries. If we let it continue then NZ will be full of students, low income earners and retirees. The rest of us will be at Pegasus's BBQ drinking his beer, chatting up his women and bragging about how go it is not to be home.
Awesome I am glad for you. But what we are trying to do down here is bring T&Cs up to the standard you are currently receiving. Jetstar seeks to lower these and if they become competative then to maximise their profits Air NZ and PB will have to follow by lowering their T&Cs. Already Air NZ have annouced a review of the regional network headed up by a manager with a history in beating down the T&Cs of his staff.
AH
Awesome for you to. Welcome back. Just remember if you do get a Christchurch base it is at the demise of Jet Connect pilots and Jetstar pilots on the Aussie contract who either cannot afford to or have elected not to take a big pay cut to work for J* NZ. These pilots will have no choice but to seek employment overseas.
We call this the brain drain and it is a serious issue amongst all industries. If we let it continue then NZ will be full of students, low income earners and retirees. The rest of us will be at Pegasus's BBQ drinking his beer, chatting up his women and bragging about how go it is not to be home.
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Pegasus, what are you smoking? I want some!
AH, well what can one say. I don't think you and your attitude will receive a warm welcome. Still, you have the right to do it, clearly no concept of teamwork though.
AH, well what can one say. I don't think you and your attitude will receive a warm welcome. Still, you have the right to do it, clearly no concept of teamwork though.
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Jetstar working conditions
Check out Jetstar working Conditions thread #11.
Looks like HK is better than Europe.
Best you all enjoy working with those 'Downunder Managers!'
There is a simple solution - DONT WORK for the Wan%ers.
If there are no indians - there can NOT be a chief.
Did you not learn anything from history at school - eg. the great strikes etc.
Yes, I would like to work in my HOME country, but instead of working in an environment that is infested with idiots/fools/bitter twisted losers/backstabbing 'colleagues'/small minded blind 'gods' - I prefer to work the contract circuit where NONE of this exists.
Enjoy the sunrise
Looks like HK is better than Europe.
Best you all enjoy working with those 'Downunder Managers!'
There is a simple solution - DONT WORK for the Wan%ers.
If there are no indians - there can NOT be a chief.
Did you not learn anything from history at school - eg. the great strikes etc.
Yes, I would like to work in my HOME country, but instead of working in an environment that is infested with idiots/fools/bitter twisted losers/backstabbing 'colleagues'/small minded blind 'gods' - I prefer to work the contract circuit where NONE of this exists.
Enjoy the sunrise
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The only certainty with the likes of Pegasusfury99 is that he will get sick of his job wherever that may be. At the moment he's just a typical loud mouth enjoying what he has at this time........those of us that have been in aviation long enough know how circumstances change...and when they do for him, he will all of a sudden go quiet.....