SKYAIRWORLD: Management to take "Leave?
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How many employers will be climbing over each other to sign up the services of an ex CEO with a military background, a Chief pilot who never flew and a maintenance controller who couldn't control maintenance? Not many I believe, I think there might be a queue developing at centrelink.
I can hear you all saying that there should be a little forgive and forget, don't forget they are now unemployed. Well I am sorry to say that my forgiveness gene has taken a wee small holiday and I hope they suffer like most of us have with no pay, supa, or redundancy settlement. But they won't because they will have feathered their nests and will now set forth into the sunset giving the rest of us two fingers and planning a new venture with someone elses money.
But you know what they say don't get angry get even.
I can hear you all saying that there should be a little forgive and forget, don't forget they are now unemployed. Well I am sorry to say that my forgiveness gene has taken a wee small holiday and I hope they suffer like most of us have with no pay, supa, or redundancy settlement. But they won't because they will have feathered their nests and will now set forth into the sunset giving the rest of us two fingers and planning a new venture with someone elses money.
But you know what they say don't get angry get even.
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Ok now they are in VA,
so who lost the most money in the whole exercise,
i presume the calendar patent holder,
the joint venturers,
but the higher management lost their big ego,their dream,
their arrogance,their rocketing careers,
remember the famous A team
the farmer from the plains of Victoria,
the planner of all defunct airlines,
the one eared Imam Omar,
the spotty office boy,
the very eager human counsellor,
the Darling Downs house wife,
the italian harley riding cane toad,
the one man cargo,
the dubya bush loving operator,
the red chilli tiger meat salesman,
the very cold magoo at zero kelvin,
the unshaved drunky in shorts on a ute,
the one licence fat donkey,
the big mamma cat lover,
the gawky girl in school uniform,
and last and least
the snake oil salesman.
best of luck in their future endeavours.
so who lost the most money in the whole exercise,
i presume the calendar patent holder,
the joint venturers,
but the higher management lost their big ego,their dream,
their arrogance,their rocketing careers,
remember the famous A team
the farmer from the plains of Victoria,
the planner of all defunct airlines,
the one eared Imam Omar,
the spotty office boy,
the very eager human counsellor,
the Darling Downs house wife,
the italian harley riding cane toad,
the one man cargo,
the dubya bush loving operator,
the red chilli tiger meat salesman,
the very cold magoo at zero kelvin,
the unshaved drunky in shorts on a ute,
the one licence fat donkey,
the big mamma cat lover,
the gawky girl in school uniform,
and last and least
the snake oil salesman.
best of luck in their future endeavours.
tail wheel....
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED (the AOC holder)
ACN 121 705 646
ABN 35 121 705 646
** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **
Notification of Appointment of Administrator Under S.436a, 436b, 436c, 436e(4), 449b, 449c(1), 449c(4) or 449(6) lodged on 13 March 2009.
I certainly hope all employees get their entitlements. I also hope that it's not solely up to taxpayers to have to fund those entitlements, because it seems reasonably certain that the directors of the failed Company were on notice since at least 20th February 2009 that things were 'shaky'.
See: ASIC Free Company Name Search
Which company is in external administration?
ACN 121 705 646
ABN 35 121 705 646
** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **
Notification of Appointment of Administrator Under S.436a, 436b, 436c, 436e(4), 449b, 449c(1), 449c(4) or 449(6) lodged on 13 March 2009.
I certainly hope all employees get their entitlements. I also hope that it's not solely up to taxpayers to have to fund those entitlements, because it seems reasonably certain that the directors of the failed Company were on notice since at least 20th February 2009 that things were 'shaky'.
See: ASIC Free Company Name Search
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From my earlier post:
Company in external administration:
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED
Status ** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **
No change of status:
SKY AIR WORLD CAPITAL PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD HOLDING PTY LIMITED
SKY AIR WORLD INTERNATIONAL PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD (SOLOMON ISLANDS) PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD EAST TIMOR PTY LTD
I suggested the following companies may also be related entities:
SKY AIR SERVICES (INTERNATIONAL) PTY LTD
SKY AIR LOGISTICS PTY LTD (Now JOINT LOGISTICS PTY LTD)
SKY AIR INVESTMENTS PTY. LTD.
Post # 158 from SPF suggests SKY AIR SERVICES (INTERNATIONAL) PTY LTD (previous name SKY AIR CREWING PTY LTD) may not be a related entity and that may well be the case.
The relationship, and in particular any inter company loans and guarantees between those companies above whose name starts with "SKY AIR WORLD" may be very interesting, especially if one of them is a party to recent acquisition of resorts........
From the CASA web site, the AOC is held by:
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED
PO Box 1455
EAGLE FARM QLD 4009
AUSTRALIA
So I guess any future flying operations are now at the discretion of the Administrators, not the Directors.
I feel for the boys and girls out there who are now out of pocket in very difficult times. Their wait for payment could be a very long time, if at all.
Company in external administration:
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED
Status ** UNDER EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATION and/or CONTROLLER APPOINTED **
No change of status:
SKY AIR WORLD CAPITAL PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD HOLDING PTY LIMITED
SKY AIR WORLD INTERNATIONAL PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD (SOLOMON ISLANDS) PTY LTD
SKY AIR WORLD EAST TIMOR PTY LTD
I suggested the following companies may also be related entities:
SKY AIR SERVICES (INTERNATIONAL) PTY LTD
SKY AIR LOGISTICS PTY LTD (Now JOINT LOGISTICS PTY LTD)
SKY AIR INVESTMENTS PTY. LTD.
Post # 158 from SPF suggests SKY AIR SERVICES (INTERNATIONAL) PTY LTD (previous name SKY AIR CREWING PTY LTD) may not be a related entity and that may well be the case.
The relationship, and in particular any inter company loans and guarantees between those companies above whose name starts with "SKY AIR WORLD" may be very interesting, especially if one of them is a party to recent acquisition of resorts........
From the CASA web site, the AOC is held by:
SKY AIR WORLD PTY LIMITED
PO Box 1455
EAGLE FARM QLD 4009
AUSTRALIA
So I guess any future flying operations are now at the discretion of the Administrators, not the Directors.
I feel for the boys and girls out there who are now out of pocket in very difficult times. Their wait for payment could be a very long time, if at all.
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I feel for the boys and girls out there who are now out of pocket in very difficult times. Their wait for payment could be a very long time, if at all.
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I feel for the boys and girls out there who are now out of pocket in very difficult times. Their wait for payment could be a very long time, if at all.
Cant say I'll be holding my breath
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I've heard various reports about GEERS. I don't think applications are a simple process and $$ limits may apply. I hope I am wrong.
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SAWII..The return!!!
I believe the company we need to watch now is Joint Logistics, formerly Sky Air Logistics.
Name changed a few weeks ago and various rumours that the present employees of SAW are to be re employed offshore under their new venture.
Hopefully the administrator and ASIC will be able to trace their financial records, find out what they have spent over the last few months whilst avoiding paying their ex staff and creditors and maybe able to locate all the expensive test equipment that has been mysteriously disappearing over the last few weeks!!!!
I'm pretty certain that 'SAWII..The return' will be as big a flop as the first.
Name changed a few weeks ago and various rumours that the present employees of SAW are to be re employed offshore under their new venture.
Hopefully the administrator and ASIC will be able to trace their financial records, find out what they have spent over the last few months whilst avoiding paying their ex staff and creditors and maybe able to locate all the expensive test equipment that has been mysteriously disappearing over the last few weeks!!!!
I'm pretty certain that 'SAWII..The return' will be as big a flop as the first.
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Straight from the Workplace Website
workplace.gov.au - How your GEERS claim will be assessed
You may be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:
workplace.gov.au - How your GEERS claim will be assessed
You may be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:
- lost your employment because your former employer became bankrupt or a liquidator was appointed and are owed employee entitlements, and
- lodge your claim within 12 months of losing your job or the date of which your former employer became bankrupt or went into liquidation, whichever is the later.
- resigned following the appointment of an Insolvency Practitioner (IP), or
- resigned or your employment was terminated within six months before the appointment of an IP.
- up to three months unpaid wages for the period prior to the appointment of the insolvency practitioner (including amounts deducted from your wages, such as for superannuation, but not passed on to your superannuation fund)
- all unpaid annual leave
- all unpaid long service leave
- up to a maximum of 5 weeks unpaid payment in lieu of notice, and
- up to a maximum of 16 weeks unpaid redundancy entitlement.
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remember the famous A team
the farmer from the plains of Victoria,
the planner of all defunct airlines,
the one eared Imam Omar,
the spotty office boy,
the very eager human counsellor,
the Darling Downs house wife,
the italian harley riding cane toad,
the one man cargo,
the dubya bush loving operator,
the red chilli tiger meat salesman,
the very cold magoo at zero kelvin,
the unshaved drunky in shorts on a ute,
the one licence fat donkey,
the big mamma cat lover,
the gawky girl in school uniform,
and last and least
the snake oil salesman.
best of luck in their future endeavours.
SKYII -- with this type of team,of course it will be a flop
but father in law with deep pockets can allow boy scout
to go on holliday camps around the pacific.
These people dont learn from history.
the farmer from the plains of Victoria,
the planner of all defunct airlines,
the one eared Imam Omar,
the spotty office boy,
the very eager human counsellor,
the Darling Downs house wife,
the italian harley riding cane toad,
the one man cargo,
the dubya bush loving operator,
the red chilli tiger meat salesman,
the very cold magoo at zero kelvin,
the unshaved drunky in shorts on a ute,
the one licence fat donkey,
the big mamma cat lover,
the gawky girl in school uniform,
and last and least
the snake oil salesman.
best of luck in their future endeavours.
SKYII -- with this type of team,of course it will be a flop
but father in law with deep pockets can allow boy scout
to go on holliday camps around the pacific.
These people dont learn from history.
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From the GEERS website:
" Who is eligible?
You may be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:
* lost your employment because your former employer became bankrupt or a liquidator was appointed and are owed employee entitlements, and
* lodge your claim within 12 months of losing your job or the date of which your former employer became bankrupt or went into liquidation, whichever is the later.
You may also be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:
* resigned following the appointment of an Insolvency Practitioner (IP), or
* resigned or your employment was terminated within six months before the appointment of an IP.
Who is not eligible?
You are not eligible to receive GEERS assistance if:
* your former employer is under the control of an administrator, a receiver manager, or is subject to a Deed of Company Arrangement, a Trust, a Personal Insolvency Agreement, or a Debt Agreement
* you were not an employee, i.e. if you were a contractor, sub-contractor or agent
* you lodge your claim more than 12 months after your employment was terminated or the date on which your former employer became bankrupt or entered into liquidation, whichever is the later
* you were employed by a partnership and not all partners are subject to insolvency, or
* there are funds available from your former employer or another source to pay your outstanding entitlements within 16 weeks of the department receiving your claim. "
With reference to the above,
It would appear at first reading that a person only becomes eligible for GEERS when an Insolvency Practitioner (IP) has been appointed.
At this stage, SAW is only under the control of a (Voluntary) Administrator (VA).
At this stage, SAW has not gone bankrupt or gone in to liquidation. Until it does, GEERS eligibility under Clause 1 point 1, 2 of "Who is eligible" above does not apply.
Further under Clause 2, points 1, 2 of "Who is eligible"
I do not know whether an IP has been appointed, nor do I know what the function of an IP is, or at what stage of the process he may be appointed, but it would appear that until an IP IS appointed (by the VA??), an ex-employee is not eligible to receive GEERS assistance.
Further,
Clause 1, point 1 of "Who is not eligible" specifies ineligibility when "your former employer is under the control of an administrator".
This is the current situation.
My point?
As things stand NOW it may take a few more of the "triggers" mentioned above to occur before GEERS eligibility is confirmed.
Have a great day!
" Who is eligible?
You may be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:
* lost your employment because your former employer became bankrupt or a liquidator was appointed and are owed employee entitlements, and
* lodge your claim within 12 months of losing your job or the date of which your former employer became bankrupt or went into liquidation, whichever is the later.
You may also be eligible for GEERS assistance if you:
* resigned following the appointment of an Insolvency Practitioner (IP), or
* resigned or your employment was terminated within six months before the appointment of an IP.
Who is not eligible?
You are not eligible to receive GEERS assistance if:
* your former employer is under the control of an administrator, a receiver manager, or is subject to a Deed of Company Arrangement, a Trust, a Personal Insolvency Agreement, or a Debt Agreement
* you were not an employee, i.e. if you were a contractor, sub-contractor or agent
* you lodge your claim more than 12 months after your employment was terminated or the date on which your former employer became bankrupt or entered into liquidation, whichever is the later
* you were employed by a partnership and not all partners are subject to insolvency, or
* there are funds available from your former employer or another source to pay your outstanding entitlements within 16 weeks of the department receiving your claim. "
With reference to the above,
It would appear at first reading that a person only becomes eligible for GEERS when an Insolvency Practitioner (IP) has been appointed.
At this stage, SAW is only under the control of a (Voluntary) Administrator (VA).
At this stage, SAW has not gone bankrupt or gone in to liquidation. Until it does, GEERS eligibility under Clause 1 point 1, 2 of "Who is eligible" above does not apply.
Further under Clause 2, points 1, 2 of "Who is eligible"
I do not know whether an IP has been appointed, nor do I know what the function of an IP is, or at what stage of the process he may be appointed, but it would appear that until an IP IS appointed (by the VA??), an ex-employee is not eligible to receive GEERS assistance.
Further,
Clause 1, point 1 of "Who is not eligible" specifies ineligibility when "your former employer is under the control of an administrator".
This is the current situation.
My point?
As things stand NOW it may take a few more of the "triggers" mentioned above to occur before GEERS eligibility is confirmed.
Have a great day!
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once bitten,
thanks for the clarification, I obviously hadn't looked in-depth before I posted.
At least now ex employees have a few more people looking and posting the information available.
Cheers
thanks for the clarification, I obviously hadn't looked in-depth before I posted.
At least now ex employees have a few more people looking and posting the information available.
Cheers
If you want to know where your entitlements are headed go to new thread on White Shoes in the Pacific.
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why?
If an old man with a habit of buying bad airlines wants to throw money at SAW, THEN LET HIM!!!!!....... it is the best chance you have of getting any money out of SAW.
DJC is out, admin is in.....why bad mouth the old man now? He has no intrest in saving DJC and he will not be his partner. If he spends his money you may get yours. If he walks away, then nobody gets anything.
Your war with DJC will never hurt him as much as it will hurt the others who can't afford to sit it out.
DJC is out, admin is in.....why bad mouth the old man now? He has no intrest in saving DJC and he will not be his partner. If he spends his money you may get yours. If he walks away, then nobody gets anything.
Your war with DJC will never hurt him as much as it will hurt the others who can't afford to sit it out.
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Spot on! Honiara was the Schott that cost us all of our jobs...that and possibly 1000 other poor management decisions! Useless, Management had no backbone whatsoever. We were told at the last sacking meeting at Hawkers, D Charlton quoted: “to keep our mouths shut and to stop spreading malicious rumours (more like facts) on websites if we expect to receive our entitlements”. We were treated with total contempt. He blamed the sackings on the world economic crisis. However, he failed take any accountability regarding his management style or lack of, and the dismal records set by a majority of the engineers, which basically cost us most of our charter contracts.
No thankyou for service just exiting with a little grin, disgusting! I guess all bets are of with DC seeing that GEERS will be paying my entitlements. So let the facts run wild!!
BTW, both 190’s were impounded at Broome by customs. Customs notified the crews regarding problems in regards to what cargo they were carrying and they wanted to inspect immediately. However, all cargo was searched revealing no problems or cash. Crew are over-nighting in Broome instead of Jakarta due to duty limitations.
That’s my two cents!
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wash your mouth out
Hey Barbarossa i take exception to you blaming the Engineers for loosing your Job please dont lump me in with those GA would be airline engineers and the pirate at the top.I happen to be a multi licenced group 20 Engineer who just so hapened, like most of the other decent engineers i got shafted with,made a huge mistake joining Skyairworld.Not only that i like 10 other decent guys wasted 3 months of our lives studying for the 170/190 licence and may not gain the licence now due to this stuff up.I appreciate you are angry,as am i,but please vent your anger towards the people who deserve it as we all have enough on our plates trying to find a job with a real airline. Best of luck to all of you Ahh i feel better after that rant CHEERS
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Like VRBNE, please dont associate all engineers or others from SAW in the same category as the senior management team, they all have to now like everyone else find employment and being tarnished with the brush that you mentioned is not fair. Summary, one CEO with some cash hired experts to run an airline. Experts were thus in the field of creating the image they knew what to do......the people employed to do the doing......tried but when the required correct and logical information does not present itself from above....well we all have seen what happens. It wasnt for a lack of trying from most which is a shame.
Like VRBNE, please dont associate all engineers or others from SAW in the same category as the senior management team, they all have to now like everyone else find employment and being tarnished with the brush that you mentioned is not fair. Summary, one CEO with some cash hired experts to run an airline. Experts were thus in the field of creating the image they knew what to do......the people employed to do the doing......tried but when the required correct and logical information does not present itself from above....well we all have seen what happens. It wasnt for a lack of trying from most which is a shame.
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Thank you Vrbne, there were some outstanding engineers employed but were unable to overcome a group of self serving, dangerous, deceitful engineers most from a R*x/H*zelt*n background and GA. Every mishap, bad practise and downright dangerous engineering activity was directly attributable to this group. And before you ask, yes there is evidence most of which is in the hands of the great toothless beast that is CA*A.
If CA*A had been more proactive and had pursued the malpractices and those that had carried them out perhaps SAW might have survived.
If CA*A had been more proactive and had pursued the malpractices and those that had carried them out perhaps SAW might have survived.
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I have just been informed both E190's VH-SXK and VH-SXO have left Broome for Malaysia, being returned to the Leasing company I'm guessing.
RIP Sky Air World.
RIP Sky Air World.