SKYAIRWORLD: Management to take "Leave?
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I'll say again a "MAJORITY" of engineers. Let me give you example; Noumea flight Fri 13th of Feb, Crew arrive at terminal for departure on SXO just being hooked up at PAPA, crew waiting for A/C to reach bay 85 for additional 15 mins. Then Capt discovers FMS hasn't been updated, this is after SXO has been sitting at PAPA for 2 days, meanwhile we've just been given a dire warning by AERgO the day before telling us we're on notice regarding our delays and on the verge of losing the contract. After re-boot of the sytems, pushback then "NO DISPATCH" is displayed. This was logged only four other times previously. Not much at all I suppose?? Capt aborts and Alliance take Noumea flight and we lose the contract. So tell me who was responsible for that??
I do agree there were good engineers at the company but they were few are far between. The engineers knew about the AERgO warning and you would of thought that everything would have run smoothly for that flight. However, after that incident a large number of peaple thought the senior engineers had a hiden agenda, and that's the turth. I too feel sorry for those that lost their jobs but please don't tell me that engineering had nothing with it in some regard. After the Noumea episode most couldn't believe what had happened based on our current circumstance
I do agree there were good engineers at the company but they were few are far between. The engineers knew about the AERgO warning and you would of thought that everything would have run smoothly for that flight. However, after that incident a large number of peaple thought the senior engineers had a hiden agenda, and that's the turth. I too feel sorry for those that lost their jobs but please don't tell me that engineering had nothing with it in some regard. After the Noumea episode most couldn't believe what had happened based on our current circumstance
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You make a good point
@ The Hooker, Yes, they’re the guys I was referring to. The senior member/s, most notably the one who resembled Jaba the Hut. Their old school practices, I think, were extremely dangerous. The “No Dispatch” warning that day was the result of a part that cost $7000 from VB. Now, the Harley riding embezzler (having his bike accessorized and serviced by charging it to SAW…AMAZING WHY HE WASN’T SACKED FOR THAT) was the most dangerous of them all. He thought the part cost too much. Who hell does he think he is to make that type of safety or strategic decision?! That’s not up to him. Replace the part and get on with it! If SAW management had the guts to remove him and his lackies and passed the responsibility to you guys it may have been different story. The culture at SAW was one of complete chaos and these guys reveled in it - jobs for the boys mentality (I’ll fix when I fix it). I guess they thought; “what are they gonna do sack us”?? Well, Y-E-A-H they did…. with the rest of us.
I have no problems with the other engineers except these guys and their “close enough is good enough” attitudes!
I have no problems with the other engineers except these guys and their “close enough is good enough” attitudes!
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Glad to see others understand the frustrating circumstances that half the engineering department had to put up with.
Information is power, thus information was never provided to those who could use it. It got to a stage were those that usually went over and above to make things work took steps back and let the ship runs its own course.......and the results are fairly apparent.
FACTS: FMS due data known about months/years in advance, FMS data provided from honeywell for download approx 2-4 days before expiry. FMS data update takes 30-60 minutes to carry out. The fact that they had 2 aircraft expire and cause delays is..........not unexpected considering who was planning and organising.
Alas, engineering though was just one piece of the puzzle unfortunately
A charter airline that couldnt handle a charter with only 24 hours notice......
Glad to see others understand the frustrating circumstances that half the engineering department had to put up with.
Information is power, thus information was never provided to those who could use it. It got to a stage were those that usually went over and above to make things work took steps back and let the ship runs its own course.......and the results are fairly apparent.
FACTS: FMS due data known about months/years in advance, FMS data provided from honeywell for download approx 2-4 days before expiry. FMS data update takes 30-60 minutes to carry out. The fact that they had 2 aircraft expire and cause delays is..........not unexpected considering who was planning and organising.
Alas, engineering though was just one piece of the puzzle unfortunately
A charter airline that couldnt handle a charter with only 24 hours notice......
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say what?
Did you just say that I and everyone else are out of work because the engineers that went above and beyond in the past decided to "prove a point". Hey, Thanks...
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your not helping your image.....
As long as other peoples children and families depend on me getting that shoelace tied. I do it forever. That or I go tie shoelaces for some one else. I DO NOT give less than my best just to prove a point and risk the employment of others. May be a little heads up to the rest of us, we could have gotten out before hand.
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check you PM Iamsosmart.
At no time were small group of engineers not performing their roles as requested. What we did stop doing was other peoples jobs. It was in all our interests for SAW to keep going. Cant work miracles though.
At no time were small group of engineers not performing their roles as requested. What we did stop doing was other peoples jobs. It was in all our interests for SAW to keep going. Cant work miracles though.
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Now, the Harley riding embezzler (having his bike accessorized and serviced by charging it to SAW…AMAZING WHY HE WASN’T SACKED FOR THAT) was the most dangerous of them all. He thought the part cost too much. Who hell does he think he is to make that type of safety or strategic decision?!
Is it not the same cane toad looking guy who cut fly by wire looms
to dispatch an a/c out of HIR,
and susequently rehashed the whole log book to a new one to cover
his finger prints,
the same guy who spliced 3 places a fly by wire flap control loom,
the same guy who sent the wrong tool to SYD to fix an plane aog for 5 days.
the same guy who said in an email that the manuals on the a/c laptops were outdated ones used since 2007,
the same guy could not update the a/c avionic system in PER,
and more and more,
he normally some time came in at night in a gown/nightie to load special tools in his ute.
but then the whole blame of losing contracts should go to the tamal tiger
killer, red chili coloured brown snake.
and his bed mate in C*S* ,H.Cl*rk,
who approved all his dirty work prepared by the one eared Imam Omar.
Then the ever cold magoo at 0 Kelvin,the man who could not do anything
even the aborted c check on the 170 was his masterpiece.
then there is the unshaven druncky in a ute who was prepared to sign
off any work not done.
and finally the one license big fat donkey from flying medicine who
gave all of them the dirty paperwork.
in conclusion finally blame the maint controller,and the C*S* accounteable managers for losing your jobs.
Is it not the same cane toad looking guy who cut fly by wire looms
to dispatch an a/c out of HIR,
and susequently rehashed the whole log book to a new one to cover
his finger prints,
the same guy who spliced 3 places a fly by wire flap control loom,
the same guy who sent the wrong tool to SYD to fix an plane aog for 5 days.
the same guy who said in an email that the manuals on the a/c laptops were outdated ones used since 2007,
the same guy could not update the a/c avionic system in PER,
and more and more,
he normally some time came in at night in a gown/nightie to load special tools in his ute.
but then the whole blame of losing contracts should go to the tamal tiger
killer, red chili coloured brown snake.
and his bed mate in C*S* ,H.Cl*rk,
who approved all his dirty work prepared by the one eared Imam Omar.
Then the ever cold magoo at 0 Kelvin,the man who could not do anything
even the aborted c check on the 170 was his masterpiece.
then there is the unshaven druncky in a ute who was prepared to sign
off any work not done.
and finally the one license big fat donkey from flying medicine who
gave all of them the dirty paperwork.
in conclusion finally blame the maint controller,and the C*S* accounteable managers for losing your jobs.
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Rather than blame individuals for the demise at SAW I believe it is in all the secured and unsecured creditors (which we all are) best interests to obtain our entitlements before all individuals and assests (if any) are redeployed internationally.
I dont believe there was anything anyone/or department could have done to prevent this outcome......this has been carefully planned for quite some time. Unfortunately, innocent individuals/companies get stuck in the middle. Lessons for the future I guess.
I dont believe there was anything anyone/or department could have done to prevent this outcome......this has been carefully planned for quite some time. Unfortunately, innocent individuals/companies get stuck in the middle. Lessons for the future I guess.
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Your changing the subject
I want to know if you knew of a problem or issue that would cause a delay and did nothing because it wasn't your job!!!
Yes, we had many problems in the company. Everyone made mistakes. The guys at the top screwed us, no suprises. The dept heads were bad, we all knew that.
But I can not forgive someone who claims the molrale high ground while letting a delay occur that they could have prevented. If you were one of the good ones, no wonder we failed.
We can stop with the conspiracies. Every plan that DJC had in the works has failed. Nothing is being transfered overseas. Nothing was smuggled out of the country on the 190's. No contract has been held. The company has no assests aside from an AOC with missing postholders. Everything has been leased and either has been or will be returned to the leasors. No A-team is secertly at work under a new name. Adagold will not work with DJC. The administator has control of SAW. The only thing that matters to any of the current and ex employees now is if Terry is willing to throw some money in. If not then the Admin will sell everything off and we may get a few cents on the dollar.
Yes, we had many problems in the company. Everyone made mistakes. The guys at the top screwed us, no suprises. The dept heads were bad, we all knew that.
But I can not forgive someone who claims the molrale high ground while letting a delay occur that they could have prevented. If you were one of the good ones, no wonder we failed.
We can stop with the conspiracies. Every plan that DJC had in the works has failed. Nothing is being transfered overseas. Nothing was smuggled out of the country on the 190's. No contract has been held. The company has no assests aside from an AOC with missing postholders. Everything has been leased and either has been or will be returned to the leasors. No A-team is secertly at work under a new name. Adagold will not work with DJC. The administator has control of SAW. The only thing that matters to any of the current and ex employees now is if Terry is willing to throw some money in. If not then the Admin will sell everything off and we may get a few cents on the dollar.
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read your PM
Issues were presented to senior management with solutions.
Result.........removed from a position to constructively support the operation and then made redundant, obviously took issues to wrong person. Focuss your anger and spite on the people that are really responsible for your situation, not others in similar circumstances to you.
Issues were presented to senior management with solutions.
Result.........removed from a position to constructively support the operation and then made redundant, obviously took issues to wrong person. Focuss your anger and spite on the people that are really responsible for your situation, not others in similar circumstances to you.
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Hey boys and girls, you are going down the wrong path. Keep your eyes peeled for a new owner with new concept and new staff. SAW is to important to turn loose. Bon voyage.
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Iamsosmrt. You are new here. We're not having a tit-for-tat on PPRuNe over maintenance not carried out. If the aircraft was not air worthy and the part or tool was not available, engineers don't sign it out, pilots don't fly it.
Accept that and move on. End of story.
Accept that and move on. End of story.
even with a DOCA sunshine she's still pennies in the dollar for most creditors. the carcass gets picked over and the sails are set with a "new" crew...
whose going to put up millions for what?? aircraft mmmmmmmm - business mmmmmm. the gumment contract will be a big hoop to jump through at this time methinks. OK who's Terry??
whose going to put up millions for what?? aircraft mmmmmmmm - business mmmmmm. the gumment contract will be a big hoop to jump through at this time methinks. OK who's Terry??
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Terry may be the white knight Do not guess how to go about gaining control of a company in Administration There are avenues to this that takes more than a little knowledge that aircrews may have The distance to this has been long but the runway now may be set for take off
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I may be new to this forum, but not to this issue.
I only asked for clarification on one statment. That was never answered completely.
"It got to a stage were those that usually went over and above to make things work took steps back and let the ship runs its own course.......and the results are fairly apparent. "
I agreed that the managment sucked and that everyone made mistakes. I was one of them. Never meant to be a tit for tat. Even if it was, god forbid it be done on the "rumor network".
Don't worry. you won't have to put up with me for long. I'm a single issue poster and this issue has a shelf life.
I only asked for clarification on one statment. That was never answered completely.
"It got to a stage were those that usually went over and above to make things work took steps back and let the ship runs its own course.......and the results are fairly apparent. "
I agreed that the managment sucked and that everyone made mistakes. I was one of them. Never meant to be a tit for tat. Even if it was, god forbid it be done on the "rumor network".
Don't worry. you won't have to put up with me for long. I'm a single issue poster and this issue has a shelf life.