Jetstar announces domestic NZ operations
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Wonder how Jetstar will cope over the winter months at ZQN with no RNP???
The new service could be NO service when the days have clouds in the sky.
Its bad enough now
The new service could be NO service when the days have clouds in the sky.
Its bad enough now
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after they destroy Pac blue and send them home
It's a New Zealand company.
PB has a very low operating cost to start with and has obtained a specific part of the NZ domestic market. Air NZ has its share, as does JC and I suspect that Jetstar will obtain some of JC's domestic pax.
Will be interested to see how this plays out Trans Tassie as both JC and Jetstar compete against each other and 200 other airlines!!
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Quote: "So if it was a reasonable deal, I cant imagine to many of them jumping to pornstar nz!!!! ?????"
I doubt you will see many ex-Freedom pilots at J*NZ. Maybe a couple of ex-Captains for whom the 4 stripes is more important than money and conditions, or a couple of F/Os who see it as a step into a quick command.
Personally, if you are more than 100 or so off the bottom of the list at Air NZ, you would want your head read to be bailing out. Long term is where it's at and who knows where J*NZ will be in 10 years time?
Of course, LWOP from Air NZ is NOT available for you to go to J*, Pac Blue or J*NZ, so it is a big call.
Whatever, it's all gamble....you roll the dice and you makes your choice!
I doubt you will see many ex-Freedom pilots at J*NZ. Maybe a couple of ex-Captains for whom the 4 stripes is more important than money and conditions, or a couple of F/Os who see it as a step into a quick command.
Personally, if you are more than 100 or so off the bottom of the list at Air NZ, you would want your head read to be bailing out. Long term is where it's at and who knows where J*NZ will be in 10 years time?
Of course, LWOP from Air NZ is NOT available for you to go to J*, Pac Blue or J*NZ, so it is a big call.
Whatever, it's all gamble....you roll the dice and you makes your choice!
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Wonder how Jetstar will cope over the winter months at ZQN with no RNP???
The new service could be NO service when the days have clouds in the sky.
Its bad enough now
The new service could be NO service when the days have clouds in the sky.
Its bad enough now
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Pfffft... if that ain't stirring the pot, I don't know what is.
Air NZ had $4 flights on Grabaseat today, J* had $3 flights I think.
Air NZ has a history of destroying the domestic competition. Origin Pacific for example. I think Pacific Blue can make it though.
Air NZ had $4 flights on Grabaseat today, J* had $3 flights I think.
Air NZ has a history of destroying the domestic competition. Origin Pacific for example. I think Pacific Blue can make it though.
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"You've used that bait to stir things up too many times - you won't get any bites"
It aint stirring mate
It aint stirring mate
Unless the JQ 787's have got the range for east coast Aussie to the USA, theres every chance NZ operation will be crewing it.
In fact, whether they have the range or not, theres every chance the NZ operation will be crewing it.
Wait until the troops figure out that this op in NZ is where the 787's will be going!!!!!
1/ The 787 is a complex a/c and the JC guys haven't the skill/experience to operate them
2/ The 787 is not suited to the Tasman which is where JC operate
3/ The JC crew would want the exact same conditions as the mainline crew anyway.
4/It would be silly for QF to be the first to introduce the 787 onto the Tasman in case the customers are wary of it. Pax don't like new types.
5/ It must be illegal somehow for a company to purchase new aircraft and then just utilize them as they see fit.....surely.
I could go on but I think I've made my point.
I don't think so. Jetstar NZ will have to modify their aircraft for full RNP operations not just the "RNP lite" approval they have from CASA. At this stage Air NZ is the only RNP AR approved A320 operator in the world. So they will have to go through the NZCAA certification like everyone else.
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5/ It must be illegal somehow for a company to purchase new aircraft and then just utilize them as they see fit.....surely.
I could go on but I think I've made my point.
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Sarcasm, mattyj mate.
Don't see how 787s could end up at JQ NZ or JC - Domestic and Tasman ops are not what the 787 is made for. It's too big and its performance qualities would be better elsewhere.
Don't see how 787s could end up at JQ NZ or JC - Domestic and Tasman ops are not what the 787 is made for. It's too big and its performance qualities would be better elsewhere.
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What the!
Framer; "The 787 is a complex a/c and the JC guys haven't the skill/experience to operate them" 
or even better "passengers don't like new types". (Ummm nup - the reverse is true and plenty of market research to prove it, the richer airlines even advertise it!)
Mate are you serious?
I wonder, do you have any EFIS jet experience?
If you can drive one of JC's B733's I'll bet you can drive a 787. IMHO (having flown 733's years ago and now PiC on a newer / bigger EFIS jets) the later the jet, the easier it gets, and having read allot of blurb and seen the cockpit of the 787 its looks STD post 777 Boeing to me.
Hope for your sake that was just a wind up, or are you really that ignorant?
or even better "passengers don't like new types". (Ummm nup - the reverse is true and plenty of market research to prove it, the richer airlines even advertise it!)
Mate are you serious?
I wonder, do you have any EFIS jet experience? If you can drive one of JC's B733's I'll bet you can drive a 787. IMHO (having flown 733's years ago and now PiC on a newer / bigger EFIS jets) the later the jet, the easier it gets, and having read allot of blurb and seen the cockpit of the 787 its looks STD post 777 Boeing to me.
Hope for your sake that was just a wind up, or are you really that ignorant?
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Don't see how 787s could end up at JQ NZ or JC - Domestic and Tasman ops are not what the 787 is made for. It's too big and its performance qualities would be better elsewhere
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Not 100% sure, but I heard the CHC Jetstar LAME's were on 80-85k, and someone mentioned AKL would be closer to 90k. (all NZD)
Well short of Virgin Tech NZ mech LAME's (122k), and avio's (135k)
Well short of Virgin Tech NZ mech LAME's (122k), and avio's (135k)
local paper here was crowing that J* has RNP and will not have the problems Qantas has.
will be highly amusing to see the local rag eat there words when J*s get diverted every second day if they can fly the RNP
will be highly amusing to see the local rag eat there words when J*s get diverted every second day if they can fly the RNP
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I think AnQrKa has hit the nail on the head and the likes of framer and Q300 are thinking like pilots not Management.
In this world of Globalization and the ever relenting quest by big business for productivity improvement anyting is possible.
I'd suggest a few people here google the Trans Tasman Mutual recognition Act in conjunction with the NZ Employment Relations Act 2000.
First up as a result of the TTMRA aircraft "based" in New Zealand are accepted as being Australian.
Secondly the NZ Employment Relations Act 2000 has many similarities with the Australian Workplace relations Act 1996, if you thought WorkChoices was bad wait until your forced to work in NZ under their Employment Relations Act, plus there is now a National government in power in NZ, so I wouldn't be surprised to see further empowerment to the relavent Employment Act.
Now that the Libs in Australia have been turfed out and their and big business' WorkChoices has been pole axed isn't it obvious that management will deploy assets where it's easiest to push for improvement in unit costs. I expect AnQrKa is correct in that you will see the 787 deployed out of NZ. I also expect you will see a ramping up of JetConnect services at Qantas Shorthaul's expense. That will just be the start.
Ladies and Gentlement this is the end game portion of the Dixon plan, hold on for a bumpy ride!
The future is bright ,the future is orange with fern leaves!
In this world of Globalization and the ever relenting quest by big business for productivity improvement anyting is possible.
I'd suggest a few people here google the Trans Tasman Mutual recognition Act in conjunction with the NZ Employment Relations Act 2000.
First up as a result of the TTMRA aircraft "based" in New Zealand are accepted as being Australian.
Secondly the NZ Employment Relations Act 2000 has many similarities with the Australian Workplace relations Act 1996, if you thought WorkChoices was bad wait until your forced to work in NZ under their Employment Relations Act, plus there is now a National government in power in NZ, so I wouldn't be surprised to see further empowerment to the relavent Employment Act.
Now that the Libs in Australia have been turfed out and their and big business' WorkChoices has been pole axed isn't it obvious that management will deploy assets where it's easiest to push for improvement in unit costs. I expect AnQrKa is correct in that you will see the 787 deployed out of NZ. I also expect you will see a ramping up of JetConnect services at Qantas Shorthaul's expense. That will just be the start.
Ladies and Gentlement this is the end game portion of the Dixon plan, hold on for a bumpy ride!
The future is bright ,the future is orange with fern leaves!
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Have a look at ZQN mountain Scene paper on ZQN airport Thur 19th Feb
www.mountainscene.co.nz.
"Cloud in the sky Skippy dont fly"
"Star in the sky where will we fly"
www.mountainscene.co.nz.
"Cloud in the sky Skippy dont fly"
"Star in the sky where will we fly"