Jetstar announces domestic NZ operations
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Interesting times
Transtasman 'domestic' routes could cut fares 30pc - report
9:05AM Sunday Feb 22, 2009
SYDNEY - Transtasman flights are set to be reclassified as domestic routes, removing stringent immigration procedures and cutting fares by up to 30 per cent, according to an Australian website.
Quarantine, security and immigration issues have to be addressed to make the route a common border.
An Open Skies bilateral agreement is already in place, relaxing the rules for carriers flying between the two countries.
After two years of discussions, Australian and New Zealand customs are planning trials to clear passengers before they board flights between the countries.
Three Australian automated border processing "smartgate" kiosks were installed at Auckland International Airport last September to speed up entry into Australia.
Air New Zealand, Qantas, Jetstar and Pacific Blue believe the move could result in fares being cut by up to 30 per cent, the website said.
The trials will look at creating a clearance system similar to those used for passengers travelling from Canada into the United States and in Europe across European Union countries.
Once they are cleared at their point of origin passengers enter any port as a domestic visitor.
9:05AM Sunday Feb 22, 2009
SYDNEY - Transtasman flights are set to be reclassified as domestic routes, removing stringent immigration procedures and cutting fares by up to 30 per cent, according to an Australian website.
Quarantine, security and immigration issues have to be addressed to make the route a common border.
An Open Skies bilateral agreement is already in place, relaxing the rules for carriers flying between the two countries.
After two years of discussions, Australian and New Zealand customs are planning trials to clear passengers before they board flights between the countries.
Three Australian automated border processing "smartgate" kiosks were installed at Auckland International Airport last September to speed up entry into Australia.
Air New Zealand, Qantas, Jetstar and Pacific Blue believe the move could result in fares being cut by up to 30 per cent, the website said.
The trials will look at creating a clearance system similar to those used for passengers travelling from Canada into the United States and in Europe across European Union countries.
Once they are cleared at their point of origin passengers enter any port as a domestic visitor.
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From: New Zealand
I was saying that the 787 did not make sense on trans Tasman routes. I did not even stop to consider that it might not be for Trans Tasman ops. Kiwi engineer later pointed this out. Interesting stuff.
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From: NZ
I would love to see the evidence that the 787 will not get East coast Aus-west coast USA. The 747 400er and 777er do it and this aircraft is meant to be ultra long haul..........i.e it should p*ss in. There will be a lot of cancelled orders if this is the case. personally I reckon the rumour is just that.
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From: newzealand
I heard the pay is not too flash compared to Australian conditions.
$70,000 NZ - 15,000 rating payback = $55,000 NZ for a Co-pilot
Dont think there is the same Australian superanuation scheme and very few allowances.
Captains and F/A's same modest pay, something to watch with the Tasman becoming a domestic sector? Jetstar NZ planes flying to AUZ and doing 3-4 days of domestic sectors and then comming home?
$70,000 NZ - 15,000 rating payback = $55,000 NZ for a Co-pilot
Dont think there is the same Australian superanuation scheme and very few allowances.
Captains and F/A's same modest pay, something to watch with the Tasman becoming a domestic sector? Jetstar NZ planes flying to AUZ and doing 3-4 days of domestic sectors and then comming home?
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From: S.O.E.
Air NZ buying Virgin ?
I think there are still some bad memories over the last time NZ ventured into the purchasing of a major Australian carrier.
This time around, I don't think there's enough cash within the Air NZ coffers for an outright purchase. Can't see this current NZ government bailing them out again.
I think there are still some bad memories over the last time NZ ventured into the purchasing of a major Australian carrier.
This time around, I don't think there's enough cash within the Air NZ coffers for an outright purchase. Can't see this current NZ government bailing them out again.
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Low wages too high a price for cheap airfares
17 February, 2009
Jetstar's low-wage business model is not welcome in New Zealand, says the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union.
The call follows Jetstar's announcement that it is replacing Qantas, an EPMU unionised company, without union consultation as well as reports by business analysts that the company plans to compete using lower staff costs.
EPMU national secretary Andrew Little says Jetstar's low-wage model is unacceptable in New Zealand.
"Jetstar may be offering low cost tickets but they will come at the price of lower wages for working Kiwis."
"As the biggest union in New Zealand's aviation industry we'll be making sure we make contact with Jetstar staff to let them know exactly what the industry standards are and to offer them the chance to negotiate through the EPMU.
"There's a lot of talk about Jetstar increasing competition in the industry but when it's a competition to lower wages it's one we can do without."
The EPMU represents more than four thousand aviation industry workers in New Zealand including Qantas ground staff.
17 February, 2009
Jetstar's low-wage business model is not welcome in New Zealand, says the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union.
The call follows Jetstar's announcement that it is replacing Qantas, an EPMU unionised company, without union consultation as well as reports by business analysts that the company plans to compete using lower staff costs.
EPMU national secretary Andrew Little says Jetstar's low-wage model is unacceptable in New Zealand.
"Jetstar may be offering low cost tickets but they will come at the price of lower wages for working Kiwis."
"As the biggest union in New Zealand's aviation industry we'll be making sure we make contact with Jetstar staff to let them know exactly what the industry standards are and to offer them the chance to negotiate through the EPMU.
"There's a lot of talk about Jetstar increasing competition in the industry but when it's a competition to lower wages it's one we can do without."
The EPMU represents more than four thousand aviation industry workers in New Zealand including Qantas ground staff.
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Not after Air NZ buys Virgin.......................
JQ/DJ/NZ. Interesting times ahead for the NZ market. Given the cost base of the LCC's, I wish NZ well.
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From: NZ
Hey Horserun...you an ALPA member?
You a Union rep?
If not why not?
The Union is you (if you're a member)
If you're not happy with what's going on, pull finger and do something about it!
It's much less of an Air NZ club than it ued to be...just ask the Mt Cook and Air Nelson and Jetconnect guys (all of whose own ALPA pilots did most of the work but with valuable assistance from the ALPA organization)
You guys who grizzle about ALPA being an "Air NZ Union" piss me off. Only about half the members are employed by Air NZ mainline.
You a Union rep?
If not why not?
The Union is you (if you're a member)
If you're not happy with what's going on, pull finger and do something about it!
It's much less of an Air NZ club than it ued to be...just ask the Mt Cook and Air Nelson and Jetconnect guys (all of whose own ALPA pilots did most of the work but with valuable assistance from the ALPA organization)
You guys who grizzle about ALPA being an "Air NZ Union" piss me off. Only about half the members are employed by Air NZ mainline.
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From: The Dog House
Im in ALPA, and have been for 10 years now.
Go to any ALPA meeting and compare how much time is spent talking about Air NZ, compared to everyone else!!!
Would be nice if ALPA made a similar statement to reinforce what the EPMU said.
Go to any ALPA meeting and compare how much time is spent talking about Air NZ, compared to everyone else!!!
Would be nice if ALPA made a similar statement to reinforce what the EPMU said.
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From: At work
While it may seem nicely idealistic to have ALPA or whomever say the rates are abysmal, it will be water off a ducks back to Jetstar if they have people lining up for jobs. I also think it is pretty easy to sit back and criticise someone for taking one of those jobs when you are safely employed in a higher paid one. I suspect the best course of action may end up being similar to the one the Jetconnect guys fought. By this I mean fight from the inside when you have a tad more bargaining power than as a prospective employee.
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From: Dog Box
Not an easy war to fight but if you read the latest ALPA presidents message (should be in your inbox today), at least ALPA and the two Aussie unions are not sitting on their hands.
The only way to enhance job opportunities and T&C's for EVERYBODY, is to work TOGETHER rather than bitch at each other.
The only way to enhance job opportunities and T&C's for EVERYBODY, is to work TOGETHER rather than bitch at each other.
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