VIPA application for VirginBlue Union registration dismissed.
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VIPA application for VirginBlue Union registration dismissed.
So what now for VIPA ? Can they try again if they reorganize themselves or is it all over ? Does anyone have any further info.
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Despite unseemly gloating by the AFAP the VIPA application was rejected for a technicality regarding the association's first meeting. The meeting will be re-run, the boxes correctly ticked and it will proceed once more. For the AFAP to imply that VIPA is no more can be described as disingenuous at best.
As an AFAP member I am irritated by my subs being wasted on fighting an expensive and unnecessary court challenge. VIPA should be allowed to rise or fall on its own merits. The AFAP should compete for members by the service they provide, based on the experience they've gained, not by protesting the presence of a competitor.
As an AFAP member I am irritated by my subs being wasted on fighting an expensive and unnecessary court challenge. VIPA should be allowed to rise or fall on its own merits. The AFAP should compete for members by the service they provide, based on the experience they've gained, not by protesting the presence of a competitor.
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Yusef Danet wrote:
The AFAP should compete for members by the service they provide, based on the experience they've gained, not by protesting the presence of a competitor
Going by that Yusef ,I'd suggest VIPA will have a long and fruitful existence, good luck !~
The AFAP should compete for members by the service they provide, based on the experience they've gained, not by protesting the presence of a competitor
Going by that Yusef ,I'd suggest VIPA will have a long and fruitful existence, good luck !~
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My understanding is that the legal costs of the proceedings were in the order of $80,000 for VIPA so unless it was done pro bono it might be costly for the rank and file to start again.
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Sounds to me like the AFAP are fighting for their very existence.
Heard through the grape vine that there has been a large take up of Jetstar pilots joining AIPA.
Might the time be ripe for a few influential people to put their egos away and start talking and actually doing something about a unified pilots union in this country, before all pilots jobs are offshored .
Heard through the grape vine that there has been a large take up of Jetstar pilots joining AIPA.
Might the time be ripe for a few influential people to put their egos away and start talking and actually doing something about a unified pilots union in this country, before all pilots jobs are offshored .
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Jobs won't be offshored, just terms and conditions dropped
to proper third world levels.The only folk who benefit from
the AFAP's existance are the staff and the loss of licence
parasites. This VIPA can't do any worse.
to proper third world levels.The only folk who benefit from
the AFAP's existance are the staff and the loss of licence
parasites. This VIPA can't do any worse.
Tits on a bull..........
Remember back in 2000 when a boss would not pay my holiday pay. Being a fanancial member, called the AFAP and asked for some help.
"Sorry, we are too busy."
I got busy and got my money. The AFAP got none of my money (or support) from that point on.
There are much better options out there than the AFAP, they know it and now are getting very desperate to keep members.
I wish the Virgin guys all the very best and hope that they can start looking out for themselves.
"Sorry, we are too busy."
I got busy and got my money. The AFAP got none of my money (or support) from that point on.
There are much better options out there than the AFAP, they know it and now are getting very desperate to keep members.
I wish the Virgin guys all the very best and hope that they can start looking out for themselves.
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AFAP LOL Parasites..... Why not ask VIPA about how much money they have been siphoning off their members LOL straight into their pockets????? The AFAP do not make a Cent out of the MBF.
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Unsubstantiated allegations
All fees VIPA recieved from the LOL are shown in the accounts that were tendered as evidence before the commission. They are for the benefit of the members, and not one cent was pocketed as has been frivolously claimed.
Unsubstantiated allegations are not only unfair but defamatory and libelous.
I would be very careful posting such allegations and direct people to view the AIRC decision handed down by SDP Williams. You will clearly see that the application was dismissed solely on a technicality. I feel a strong appeal case may be on the cards.
Unsubstantiated allegations are not only unfair but defamatory and libelous.
I would be very careful posting such allegations and direct people to view the AIRC decision handed down by SDP Williams. You will clearly see that the application was dismissed solely on a technicality. I feel a strong appeal case may be on the cards.
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I trust the members who joined the VIPA LOL knew that commissions would be paid back into the coffers? By the way appeals cost money .... a substantial amount as with all legal costs!
A friend of mine in the legal world estimated VIPA's legal costs to be in order of $150000 plus so far. How can they afford it? Where is the money coming from? I thought VIPA was a group of about 100 VB guys who had put $200 in each. Could someone explain, it doesn't seem to add up
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Maui twice now you have made allegations that AIPA are financing VIPA, yet having spoken to a few mates on AIPA Com no one I spoke to knows any of this??
To quote a certain former Ipswich fish and chip shop owner
"PLEASE EXPLAIN"
To quote a certain former Ipswich fish and chip shop owner
"PLEASE EXPLAIN"
Max
Perhaps it would be pertinent for you to ask the VIPA
hierarchy the nature and cost of their dealings with the AIPA lawyers.
Consider also the mutual benefit to AIPA of having someone else in the mix.
Maui
Perhaps it would be pertinent for you to ask the VIPA
hierarchy the nature and cost of their dealings with the AIPA lawyers.
Consider also the mutual benefit to AIPA of having someone else in the mix.
Maui
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Maui
Isn't the goal here the setting up of AusALPA as a fully functioning entity rather than the figure head ephemeral beast it now is.
AIPA appears to be the only pilots organisation that appears to want an organisation whereby each pilot body has a say in their own Industrial destiny under a common umbrella organisation.That includes VIPA, the AFAP ,the JPC, the Tiger pilots council if they ever get one ,etc.
Why is the AFAP continually dragging the chain over getting this up and running? Sooner would be better than later.
It can't be a pissing contest because I have been told that the powers to be in the AFAP have been promised positions of equal or greater standing in the new entity.
Isn't the goal here the setting up of AusALPA as a fully functioning entity rather than the figure head ephemeral beast it now is.
AIPA appears to be the only pilots organisation that appears to want an organisation whereby each pilot body has a say in their own Industrial destiny under a common umbrella organisation.That includes VIPA, the AFAP ,the JPC, the Tiger pilots council if they ever get one ,etc.
Why is the AFAP continually dragging the chain over getting this up and running? Sooner would be better than later.
It can't be a pissing contest because I have been told that the powers to be in the AFAP have been promised positions of equal or greater standing in the new entity.
Max
Make up your mind. One minute we are are talking about covert support. Next minute you are talking about global industrial structure.
What is on your mind?
And BTW the AFAP have had the council structure, everyone largely doing their own thing under the one umbrella for yonks.
AIPA on the other hand was formed after that group walked out of the AFAP on the basis that they didn't want to be lumped under an umbrella with those "domestic cretins". And is an organisation that not too politely, showed the Impulse/Jetstar guys the door when they sought mutual assistance.
As they say, actions speak louder than words.
Maui
Make up your mind. One minute we are are talking about covert support. Next minute you are talking about global industrial structure.
What is on your mind?
And BTW the AFAP have had the council structure, everyone largely doing their own thing under the one umbrella for yonks.
AIPA on the other hand was formed after that group walked out of the AFAP on the basis that they didn't want to be lumped under an umbrella with those "domestic cretins". And is an organisation that not too politely, showed the Impulse/Jetstar guys the door when they sought mutual assistance.
As they say, actions speak louder than words.
Maui
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