VIPA application for VirginBlue Union registration dismissed.

[Deev]

Maui, What management positions did Westwood and Cant have?

[Nunc]

Deev, I will answer on behalf of Maui, none. Gw was the first president of AIPA and GC a former president neither ever held management positions. Wonder how many other furphy's in that post. On another topic having been a member of both the AFAP and AIPA I would take AIPA over the AFAP any day from my previous experience, good people in both camps but AFAP were a rabble when I was a member (I had left prior to 89 also). First to admit AIPA not perfect and like 99% of mainline very unhappy with how they have dealt with other pilot bodies in the past-been to the detriment of all parties, that said latest com is the best for some time and with a genuine desire to see all parties move forward. A unified pilot body whether it be one union or an umbrella group is the most important thing going forward if we are to improve conditions or maintain hard won conditions and to give those coming along behind us a career worth having.

[Deev]

Thanks Nunc,
Was aware of what you posted. Basically making the point that long posts trying to influence people should relate to the facts.

[Jetsbest]

Further to Deev and Nunc's responses...

GW has passed away, GC has been retired for years, and I would hazard a guess that less than 10% of current AIPA members were everin the AFAP "longhaul division" which became AIPA in the 1980s. Old prejudices die hard...

[lofo]

Maui-if the AFAP are confident of the service they provide-why spend members money fighting the actions of VIPA.Why are the AFAP threatened by the possible formation of another union?
Competition in most market places is generally a good thing, if not a great incentive to keep the various parties on their toes.Perhaps the formation of VIPA has already prompted the AFAP to take a more pro-active approach to Virgin Blue issues during the past 12 months.This can only be a win to all the pilots regardless of the union they choose to pay there fees.

[maui]

LoFo

I am not FOR the AFAP per se. I am however an advocate for unity.

There are three in the mix.

AIPA who have a proven history of disunity and self interest.

VIPA ,a single focus splinter group of disaffected or unenamoured, who wish to align with the forementioned disunity/self centred group, and

AFAP who have the ability and resources the structure and the legal standing to represent all, under the one umbrella.

It's a no brainer to me.

As previously stated. If you are unhappy with the outcomes, be proactive, get yourself into the equation and take control of you own destiny, within the existing structure. Nominate for your council, take a few likeminded mates in there with you and mould the outcomes to what you want. If you are persuasive enough you will get on council. If you are not, your workmates wont vote for you, and democracy will have been served.

Fragmentation serves no one well.

Nunc.
Thankyou for taking the liberty of answering for me, unrequested.
It has been my understanding that both Cant and Westwood became managers within the Training and Standards area. Is that not correct?

Jetbest

that less than 10% of current AIPA members were everin the AFAP "longhaul division" which became AIPA in the 1980s. Old prejudices die hard...

Yes. Particularly when the reason for those prejudices reappears, as they did with the IPA/Jetstar guys.

Maui

[Nunc]

Maui, neither Capts. Cant or Westwood had any role in training, standards or management-ever. As far as AIPA having a history of disunity and self interest you could say the same of the AFAP. For one who is an advocate for unity you are doing a good job of being divisive, old wounds are not going to heal with the input from the likes of yourself judging by the post's you make.

[blow.n.gasket]

Now Maui there is a classic "Pot calling the kettle black" .
Just why did the Qantas pilots break away from the AFAP?
Might just be the same reason why a number of Virgin pilots wish to leave the AFAP.
Just been told by a mate of mine on AIPA Com that there has been a sizeable increase in members from different persuasions joining up with AIPA , I wonder which union they resigned from?
Is not AIPA pushing real hard for a workable AusAlpa whereby differing pilot groups in this country will have a say in their own destiny?
Just who is the fly in the ointment that is slowing this process down?
As for motive, I wonder?????

[Don Diego]

Gasket,are you fair dinkum???