Layoffs at REX- Cadets to go first?!
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If you feel that strongly why don't you leave the company?
If you have already left why dwell on the past its not your worry anymore?
If you have never had anything to do with the company why the hell did you bother?
Were all "Mature" Adults
If you feel that strongly why don't you leave the company?
If you have already left why dwell on the past its not your worry anymore?
If you have never had anything to do with the company why the hell did you bother?
Were all "Mature" Adults
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Just to put everyones mind at ease............... those of you who work at REX......... redundancies from what I have been told on the inside, will not be from REX mainline.
Rex have just taken on some more direct entry pilots who may be starting a course in April..... so it is all just a wind up most probably the scare tactic for the EBA.
So lets stop worrying about it!
Rex have just taken on some more direct entry pilots who may be starting a course in April..... so it is all just a wind up most probably the scare tactic for the EBA.
So lets stop worrying about it!
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Asian poker player will lose this hand.
Errr Tweet,
not sure what you've been hearing, but nobody at REX have been the least perturbed by the EBA scare tactics....in fact, alot are saying, "Bring it on!, we'd like to see how it would be carried out....."
not sure what you've been hearing, but nobody at REX have been the least perturbed by the EBA scare tactics....in fact, alot are saying, "Bring it on!, we'd like to see how it would be carried out
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Rex pilots may not be perturbed by so called management threats to EBA negotiations but they should be concerned with the two edged sword hovering over them - drought and recession which are the greatest threats to regional airline operators. REX management may not be flavour of the month but they do run a tight ship , the very qualities we demand of companies in which our superannuation is invested. Whatever action REX pilots take in relation to their demands I hope they remember a Don Kendell quote " I'm not your pay master , it's your customers who pay your bills and if you value your situation in these troubled times them you must meet their expectations". Yes an old quote but relevant to the several recessions I've experienced in the last 40 years.
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Lamax - Thank you for your sage advice. Hows the aircon in the office?
Rex Pilots - Just a few points to remember
Mac @ir are gone. QLD is on LKHs ajenda. Its gonna happen. QL cant fill the entire void. They are gonna push north and need more pilots to do this.
A close friend of mine, who is a Rex F/A checks their crew on crewnet before going to work. At least half the time they have not crewed one or both of the pilot positions. They have an oversupply of pilots -
EBA scare tactic.
As for the checky who needs a hug. I heard a story about a socked captain who had to take a 30s bathroom break at an outport and (OMG)
didn't remember to put on his hat. The (need a hug) checky had it written on the official report. This moron should be more interested in imparting knowledge to the masses, not just being the "feared checky".
The best C&T pilots are there to make you better, not just there to glorify themselves and make you think - wow, they know their stuff. But these show ponies exist in all airlines.
Good luck to the Rex Pilot Group in their EBA negotiations
LKH has nothing on the crap that Dixon and his cronnies spun for the last decade
Rex Pilots - Just a few points to remember
Mac @ir are gone. QLD is on LKHs ajenda. Its gonna happen. QL cant fill the entire void. They are gonna push north and need more pilots to do this.
A close friend of mine, who is a Rex F/A checks their crew on crewnet before going to work. At least half the time they have not crewed one or both of the pilot positions. They have an oversupply of pilots -
EBA scare tactic.
As for the checky who needs a hug. I heard a story about a socked captain who had to take a 30s bathroom break at an outport and (OMG)
didn't remember to put on his hat. The (need a hug) checky had it written on the official report. This moron should be more interested in imparting knowledge to the masses, not just being the "feared checky". The best C&T pilots are there to make you better, not just there to glorify themselves and make you think - wow, they know their stuff. But these show ponies exist in all airlines.
Good luck to the Rex Pilot Group in their EBA negotiations
LKH has nothing on the crap that Dixon and his cronnies spun for the last decade
Ron.
REX have 10-12% more pilots than 2 years ago. ie; 240 then as opposed to 260+ now! This is despite the shedule being significantly reduced over that period.
Captains are still being called regularily on their days off, and when these pilots go sick, flights are still being cancelled due lack of crew! How is this possible?
It's possible because in their attempt to mitigate the shortage of pilots, the Rocket Scientists (REX management) embarked on an orgy of recruitment. Problem is the pilots they recruited (only one's they could get for the Crap T&C's) are mostly made up of Cadets and low timers who cannot hold a command!
Ego, Shortage of Captains, oversupply of F/O's!
I honestly hope there will be no redundancies. Make no mistake however, as soon as it becomes definite that these guys are surplus to requirements, REX will cut them loose in a heartbeat!
REX have 10-12% more pilots than 2 years ago. ie; 240 then as opposed to 260+ now! This is despite the shedule being significantly reduced over that period.
- Sy-Com Gone!
- Gth-Mel Gone!
- Sy-Wwl Gone!
- Sy-Arm Gone!
- Sy-Mia Gone!
- Ad-Old Gone!
- Bn-Myb Gone!
Captains are still being called regularily on their days off, and when these pilots go sick, flights are still being cancelled due lack of crew! How is this possible?
It's possible because in their attempt to mitigate the shortage of pilots, the Rocket Scientists (REX management) embarked on an orgy of recruitment. Problem is the pilots they recruited (only one's they could get for the Crap T&C's) are mostly made up of Cadets and low timers who cannot hold a command!
Ego, Shortage of Captains, oversupply of F/O's!
I honestly hope there will be no redundancies. Make no mistake however, as soon as it becomes definite that these guys are surplus to requirements, REX will cut them loose in a heartbeat!
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drshmooo, I don't think you should assume "lamax" works in an office just because his post makes sense.
We have seen shifts in the economic conditions in the last 6 months that normally take +10 years to unfold and unfold steadily.
Should't the QF results announcment of 2 days ago and Macair shutting the doors completely (only today) be opening some eyes!
What's going on in the real world is more important than everyone babbling on about about whatever was in Rex's internal message from their boss.
The poor guys at Macair don't have a job!!
We have seen shifts in the economic conditions in the last 6 months that normally take +10 years to unfold and unfold steadily.
Should't the QF results announcment of 2 days ago and Macair shutting the doors completely (only today) be opening some eyes!
What's going on in the real world is more important than everyone babbling on about about whatever was in Rex's internal message from their boss.
The poor guys at Macair don't have a job!!
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It's the economy stupid!
Well said Rural, the economy is like a bushfire, now everything is happening more quickly,but no-one would agree that we didn't see it coming! The problem at REX is that it is being used to justify a lack of real action on the EBA. There is also a campaign going on that is transparently aimed at the pilots through various avenues to discredit. The integrity of this campaign closely resembles the integrity of those running it! There is also a better way to keep standards than using practices that come out of some sort of human resources Ark, as someone mentioned, it is money wasted that could be better used,say, to provide well maintained GSE.( gee, could you really save money that way??). Good,innovative leadership seems to be a lost skill, and the endemic C and T methods that punish, assist in creating the current atmosphere of cynicism. REX used to be a fun place to work, but now you just have to make your own! It's certainly unusual to feel that you have more honesty and integrity than the people that manage you, but then that maxim could also apply to most of our pollies!
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Rural Not sure were your post is leading and am not having a dig at you but Guys at REX babling about there internal memo is well founded, why should we work for less just because of current times. We have all worked hard for the company on days off and leave periods during times of good fortune and now deserve what we are worth. I cant see one wing low taking any less money for his share of things. Have heard 5% increase has been accepted but not back dated but is just a rumor. Everyone it REX stand up for what you are worth, just because other companies close shop for what ever reason you should not have to do a job for crap money.
Dear aerocom,
I think you really need to have a a Bex, a nice cup of tea, and a a lie down.
Then once 'refreshed' you need to go and have a look at the Supply vs. Demand module in Economics for Dummies so that you can 're-base' your philosophy of:
Well, the simple fact is, aerocom, that once unemployment starts to really bite (and it hasn't yet), then supply (of labour) > demand (for labour) will sheet home the reality to you that you will be paid what the employer can afford to pay in its/his/her attempt to remain in business, and not one cent more. Of that you can be sure!
I really look in almost total disbelief at your statement:
Oh dear.
Here's the REALLY bad news for you aerocom ..........if YOUR employer closes shop or substantially continues to scale back OR cancell scheduled services to/from regional centres because supply > demand as a result of many too many folks in rural Oz who can't afford to use your employer's services (and if you come from rural Oz, then believe me aerocom, it's getting pretty close to that now in a lot of areas in SE Oz because of a variety of reasons......economic, drought and NOW fire disasters) then YOU won't be getting just 'crap money' I'm afraid if your job goes.........nope......you'll be getting 'f*ck-all money'.
Try working for yourself aerocom..........you may find that if you did, then your present attitudes would probably change quite dramatically.
Having said all that, I sincerely hope that all of you folks at REX get the increase that you DO deserve, and that it's backdated as well!
Cheers,
SIUYA
I think you really need to have a a Bex, a nice cup of tea, and a a lie down.
Then once 'refreshed' you need to go and have a look at the Supply vs. Demand module in Economics for Dummies so that you can 're-base' your philosophy of:
why should we work for less just because of current times.
Well, the simple fact is, aerocom, that once unemployment starts to really bite (and it hasn't yet), then supply (of labour) > demand (for labour) will sheet home the reality to you that you will be paid what the employer can afford to pay in its/his/her attempt to remain in business, and not one cent more. Of that you can be sure!
I really look in almost total disbelief at your statement:
just because other companies close shop for what ever reason you should not have to do a job for crap money
Here's the REALLY bad news for you aerocom ..........if YOUR employer closes shop or substantially continues to scale back OR cancell scheduled services to/from regional centres because supply > demand as a result of many too many folks in rural Oz who can't afford to use your employer's services (and if you come from rural Oz, then believe me aerocom, it's getting pretty close to that now in a lot of areas in SE Oz because of a variety of reasons......economic, drought and NOW fire disasters) then YOU won't be getting just 'crap money' I'm afraid if your job goes.........nope......you'll be getting 'f*ck-all money'.
Try working for yourself aerocom..........you may find that if you did, then your present attitudes would probably change quite dramatically.
Having said all that, I sincerely hope that all of you folks at REX get the increase that you DO deserve, and that it's backdated as well!
Cheers,
SIUYA
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SIUYA,
I think that your post was a bit harsh, and near sighted.
Over the past 4 or so years, REX have posted record profits, thanks largely to the fact that the employees 8 years ago accepted a lower wage to HELP the company stay in business.
The company has not only stayed in business, it has grown exponentially, and -as I have already said- made record profits.
The employees who have ALREADY effectively taken a wage cut over the last 8 years are sick and tired of hearing about doom and gloom from a cut throat oriental businessman who bullies his way around the negotiating table.
EVERY single time the EBA is up for renewal, he scream blue murder, and threatens to shut the business down if pilots aren't "reasonable" in their demands.
IMMEDIATELY after the EBA is signed, and for the period of the EBA less six months, he will gloat about how good a businerss he is running, and thanks everybody for their hard work, and air travel is now cheaper than it was 14 years ago, and the company is debt free, and putting money in the bank and buying new assets etc etc etc......
ALL OFF THE BACK OF A COUPLE OF HUNDRED UNDERPAID WORKERS!
All he is doing is bringing asian sweatshop conditions to OZ.... THE very same sweatshop conditions that every bleeding heart activist complains about every time there is a news article about it.
IF the pilots accept a substandard EBA again this time, then he will continue to offer less and less, and eventually it will be more affordable to be on the dole than be a rex pilot.
If the pilots do NOT make a stand this time... then when?
in three years, when he cries poor again? In two years when he cries that pilots are not loyal, and bigger companies are "poaching" his pilots again because they get paid better in the bigger airlines? maybe in one year when the economic downturn has turned the corner and is on the up and up, but "this is no time to be getting ahead of ourselves and paying more JUST because the outlook is better" ?
Whichever way it goes, HE WILL CRY POOR time and time again. He will NOT listen to rational argument as to WHY "his" pilots are leaving for greener pastures, and he is the only one to blame when pilots leave his airline for better money.
Guys are even looking at going to QLINK at the moment. Basically, a 1st yr captain (DE) on a DHC-8 will make MORE money than a 10th yr captain on the SF340.... with BETTER conditions.
If QLINK are having trouble finding experienced drivers to put in the LHS of a dash... then go across the tarmac and offer D/E commands... that will certainly plug a few holes in the rats side of town.
Either LKH and the mangement team need to LISTEN... or all they will hear is silence, as the CT7's won't be turning.
I think that your post was a bit harsh, and near sighted.
Over the past 4 or so years, REX have posted record profits, thanks largely to the fact that the employees 8 years ago accepted a lower wage to HELP the company stay in business.
The company has not only stayed in business, it has grown exponentially, and -as I have already said- made record profits.
The employees who have ALREADY effectively taken a wage cut over the last 8 years are sick and tired of hearing about doom and gloom from a cut throat oriental businessman who bullies his way around the negotiating table.
EVERY single time the EBA is up for renewal, he scream blue murder, and threatens to shut the business down if pilots aren't "reasonable" in their demands.
IMMEDIATELY after the EBA is signed, and for the period of the EBA less six months, he will gloat about how good a businerss he is running, and thanks everybody for their hard work, and air travel is now cheaper than it was 14 years ago, and the company is debt free, and putting money in the bank and buying new assets etc etc etc......
ALL OFF THE BACK OF A COUPLE OF HUNDRED UNDERPAID WORKERS!
All he is doing is bringing asian sweatshop conditions to OZ.... THE very same sweatshop conditions that every bleeding heart activist complains about every time there is a news article about it.
IF the pilots accept a substandard EBA again this time, then he will continue to offer less and less, and eventually it will be more affordable to be on the dole than be a rex pilot.
If the pilots do NOT make a stand this time... then when?
in three years, when he cries poor again? In two years when he cries that pilots are not loyal, and bigger companies are "poaching" his pilots again because they get paid better in the bigger airlines? maybe in one year when the economic downturn has turned the corner and is on the up and up, but "this is no time to be getting ahead of ourselves and paying more JUST because the outlook is better" ?
Whichever way it goes, HE WILL CRY POOR time and time again. He will NOT listen to rational argument as to WHY "his" pilots are leaving for greener pastures, and he is the only one to blame when pilots leave his airline for better money.
Guys are even looking at going to QLINK at the moment. Basically, a 1st yr captain (DE) on a DHC-8 will make MORE money than a 10th yr captain on the SF340.... with BETTER conditions.
If QLINK are having trouble finding experienced drivers to put in the LHS of a dash... then go across the tarmac and offer D/E commands... that will certainly plug a few holes in the rats side of town.
Either LKH and the mangement team need to LISTEN... or all they will hear is silence, as the CT7's won't be turning.
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Apache..............
Near sighted and harsh?
I don't think so, particularly with the economic forecast for Australia showing continued decline in GDP for 2009, and a continued increase in the unemployment rate. Economic data is also showing that there was a smaller than expected 'spend' ($700m) of the December handout ($8.7bn), and an increase in debt repayment as the average Australian tried to increase his/her saving rate. So reduced spending IS the reality apache, particularly in regional Australia, as I tried to imply. And it's going to affect outfits like REX and also delay the eventual economic recovery.
Read what lamax said:
Read also the quote that Lamax attributes to Don Kendell:
Read also what rural said about the economy, and also louiethefly's comment on the rapidity of change in the economy.
Are they all near sighted too?
As I said in my previous post to aerocom, try working for yourself..........you may find that if you did, then your present attitudes would probably change quite dramatically.
But then again, they probably wouldn't if you persist in the belief that there's fairies at the bottom of the garden who are going to give you a nice big payrise in the present economic climate, just because you want one.
Good luck when you go out and try selling that concept to the folks who have already lost their jobs because of the current downturn! They're the ones who are UNDERPAID!
So apache, if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence (as you suggest it is), then I guess it's entirely up to you where you want to be.
Near sighted and harsh?
I don't think so, particularly with the economic forecast for Australia showing continued decline in GDP for 2009, and a continued increase in the unemployment rate. Economic data is also showing that there was a smaller than expected 'spend' ($700m) of the December handout ($8.7bn), and an increase in debt repayment as the average Australian tried to increase his/her saving rate. So reduced spending IS the reality apache, particularly in regional Australia, as I tried to imply. And it's going to affect outfits like REX and also delay the eventual economic recovery.
Read what lamax said:
Rex pilots may not be perturbed by so called management threats to EBA negotiations but they should be concerned with the two edged sword hovering over them - drought and recession which are the greatest threats to regional airline operators.
"I'm not your pay master, it's your customers who pay your bills and if you value your situation in these troubled times them you must meet their expectations".
Are they all near sighted too?
As I said in my previous post to aerocom, try working for yourself..........you may find that if you did, then your present attitudes would probably change quite dramatically.
But then again, they probably wouldn't if you persist in the belief that there's fairies at the bottom of the garden who are going to give you a nice big payrise in the present economic climate, just because you want one.
Good luck when you go out and try selling that concept to the folks who have already lost their jobs because of the current downturn! They're the ones who are UNDERPAID!
So apache, if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence (as you suggest it is), then I guess it's entirely up to you where you want to be.
Siuya
I think you'll find Apache pre-empted your advice about 18 months ago... but still cares about the company and his former workmates because he is a GOOD BLOKE
I think you'll find Apache pre-empted your advice about 18 months ago... but still cares about the company and his former workmates because he is a GOOD BLOKE