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Topend 3. mate I can assure you I do know what is going on in the mining industry. I live in the center of the goldfields and work in the industry. I know of five mines in my immediate vicinity that have closed and several more that have had drastic cuts in workforce due to suspension of mining operations. A lot of the companies in my area have interests in other areas of Australia.....and in fact the world. Most of the bigger mines in my area have stopped mining and are currently producing from stockpile. all nonessential contractors have been removed from site and it is effecting not only my own business, but every other business associated with the industry in every town in my district, and the next few over from my area as well. there are also many large companies around my parts,that their core business is supporting the mining industry, and they are effected to a larger degree. companies such as BHP, Brambles, Rio tinto, Jamisons, Boral, Sudexo, Mnt Gibson, Cape crushing, Hamptons, Minesite catering, BGC, St Barbras Etc are shedding jobs at an alarming rate.
I think Topend old mate, I am in touch with this situation better than you are or will be.
I think Topend old mate, I am in touch with this situation better than you are or will be.
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E-jets into ALH... the F100s have gone there on occasion, don't see why an E170 couldn't... they are a similar size are they not? or are we talking support equipment, navaids or other techno stuff here?
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E Jets into ALH
Part of the problem is the requirement for security screening equipment in the terminal that nobody wants to have to pay for.
I'm surprised you didn't know that, L.R.H....with your background, and all....
520.
I'm surprised you didn't know that, L.R.H....with your background, and all....
520.
At the bottom of the page full of posts about doom and gloom in the mining industry is an advert for jobs with Rio Tinto.
I'm not very smart but I know what ironing is....
I'm not very smart but I know what ironing is....
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Part of the problem is the requirement for security screening equipment in the terminal that nobody wants to have to pay for.
Correct me if I am wrong, however, there still remains jet flights from MCV and the like that are still not security screened. Is it still to do with capacity of the aircraft or engine vs prop? Or is each port assessed on its own merit regarding security requirements.
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Hence my question about 'support equipment'! Whether that be staff, screening, airstairs, lighting requirements, pavement concessions (as I wasn't exactly sure of the differences between the E170/190 and the F100 with regards to MTOW and so forth,...
my 'background'?? Well yes I am CC but that's why I asked the question... I know a bit about what goes on up the pointy end but not so up on the details as to know every screening req!!!
Maybe they need it in ALH with the amount of pointy/sharp objects I have managed to discover in possession of pax which were undeclared and/or unquestioned by check in staff. I suppose the 100 got around it by being a charter, don't recall having had any sort of screening there operating in and out on the jet. Has that requirement changed since 07, I don't keep up with regional ports any more...
As for your credentials 520 I don't doubt your knowledge of WA goings-on for a second... how's things going up the north end of ypph???
my 'background'?? Well yes I am CC but that's why I asked the question... I know a bit about what goes on up the pointy end but not so up on the details as to know every screening req!!!
Maybe they need it in ALH with the amount of pointy/sharp objects I have managed to discover in possession of pax which were undeclared and/or unquestioned by check in staff. I suppose the 100 got around it by being a charter, don't recall having had any sort of screening there operating in and out on the jet. Has that requirement changed since 07, I don't keep up with regional ports any more...
As for your credentials 520 I don't doubt your knowledge of WA goings-on for a second... how's things going up the north end of ypph???
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Convenient timing...
ditzyboy,
It's to do with the seating capacity of a turbine engined aircraft operating an RPT service, the requirement comes in at around 60 seats I think, but not 100% sure. It's not my department, so I'm not a full bottle on it.
L.R.H.,
I realised you asked the question because you weren't sure. But that in itself surprises me given your background in the industry, especially with particular reference to the company in question on this particular thread, since they operated the jet equipment on both charter and RPT ops and continue to do so (until they go broke, anyway!)
I'm not sure how things are going in the northern end of YPPH, I haven't worked there for quite some time. Guess again!
520.
It's to do with the seating capacity of a turbine engined aircraft operating an RPT service, the requirement comes in at around 60 seats I think, but not 100% sure. It's not my department, so I'm not a full bottle on it.
L.R.H.,
I realised you asked the question because you weren't sure. But that in itself surprises me given your background in the industry, especially with particular reference to the company in question on this particular thread, since they operated the jet equipment on both charter and RPT ops and continue to do so (until they go broke, anyway!)
I'm not sure how things are going in the northern end of YPPH, I haven't worked there for quite some time. Guess again!
520.
screening has nothing to do with seating pax.
jet charter is not required to be screened.
turborprop rpt is not required to be screened
jet rpt is required to be screened
jet charter is not required to be screened.
turborprop rpt is not required to be screened
jet rpt is required to be screened
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Thanks topend!
So the F100 previously going to ALH must've been 'charter', in that case. Can't see Virgin paying for security screening infrastructure, but you never know....
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Thanks for the clarification. See I was asking because there I was pretty sure that jet charter still had to be screened over X amount of seats, seeing as I haven't been required to keep up with that info for quite some time, I mainly asked because I know how many changes have happened in the last little while and wanted to be sure I had the correct info.
Yes, F100s to ALH and places down that way were always charter... quite 'interesting' too on some occasions I might add!!!!
520, sorry, I was confusing ya with someone else, I've got the nicknames straight now
Yes, F100s to ALH and places down that way were always charter... quite 'interesting' too on some occasions I might add!!!!
520, sorry, I was confusing ya with someone else, I've got the nicknames straight now
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topend3 -
Why do TL pax from MCV on the E70 ALWAYS disembark into the non-sterile area at DRW? I always assumed it was due to nil screening in MCV.
Apologies for the thread drift!
Why do TL pax from MCV on the E70 ALWAYS disembark into the non-sterile area at DRW? I always assumed it was due to nil screening in MCV.
Apologies for the thread drift!
Wizard...
Could you name the mines and/or their operators please?
Any truth to the rumour that the Skywest CP/MFO has either resigned or been sacked?
The "new" contracts that SW won this year at the expense of NJS were negotiated by HD who was ex NJS and previously SW! The contract rates are VERY low and little money will be made on the contracts. They are simply a vehicle to allow expansion which brings with it economies of scale. Now they have the contracts locked in, Singapore management want to see a return on their investment...and guess what....it is looking pretty low.
I live in the center of the goldfields and work in the industry. I know of five mines in my immediate vicinity that have closed
Any truth to the rumour that the Skywest CP/MFO has either resigned or been sacked?
The "new" contracts that SW won this year at the expense of NJS were negotiated by HD who was ex NJS and previously SW! The contract rates are VERY low and little money will be made on the contracts. They are simply a vehicle to allow expansion which brings with it economies of scale. Now they have the contracts locked in, Singapore management want to see a return on their investment...and guess what....it is looking pretty low.
yeah wiz i would like to know specifically what all these mines are called that are closing, as i think you are not really sure, sounds more like hype to me.
up here in the pilbara no mines are closing, there have been some production cuts and some contractor lay-offs.
ditzyboy, i wouldn't think airnorth screen the E70 ex MCV, hence pax can arrive into non-sterile area. If they were to disembark into the first floor arrivals area then yes they would have to be screened.
of course, turboprop RPT and jet charter still would have to be screened if they were to depart within the operational period of an RPT jet service, which is where it can get complicated...in Perth all of Skywest's F50 services are screened even though they are technically not required to...and this does not take place in any of their "outports"
up here in the pilbara no mines are closing, there have been some production cuts and some contractor lay-offs.
ditzyboy, i wouldn't think airnorth screen the E70 ex MCV, hence pax can arrive into non-sterile area. If they were to disembark into the first floor arrivals area then yes they would have to be screened.
of course, turboprop RPT and jet charter still would have to be screened if they were to depart within the operational period of an RPT jet service, which is where it can get complicated...in Perth all of Skywest's F50 services are screened even though they are technically not required to...and this does not take place in any of their "outports"
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don't you read the newspapers?. do a little research. so when I name the mines will you humbly beg forgiveness for doubting me? 
Mate, your in Karratha.... you deal with Iron ore mines. Down here we have zinc, Gold, Nickle, Vanadium and other types of mines. Look at the resources and base metals prices lately. have a think before opening your yap.
I will put together a list for you. I will even try to gather some number of jobs that have been made redundant. I will of course research it before I publish it here to lessen the chance of me making any mistakes for you to further doubt what I'm telling you.
how you can form your opinion on how I "sound" has me wondering.
Mate, your in Karratha.... you deal with Iron ore mines. Down here we have zinc, Gold, Nickle, Vanadium and other types of mines. Look at the resources and base metals prices lately. have a think before opening your yap.
I will put together a list for you. I will even try to gather some number of jobs that have been made redundant. I will of course research it before I publish it here to lessen the chance of me making any mistakes for you to further doubt what I'm telling you.
how you can form your opinion on how I "sound" has me wondering.
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Going back to the original thread though - I don't know that any of these mines mentioned are serviced by Skywest? In any case, the Skywest report of 4 Dec - just a little over 2 weeks ago, is that that they are continuing to win business, expand services and add aircraft so I do not believe that what we are dealing with is a mining industry down turn.
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Well it sounds like it has all come home to roost, HD has a habit of discounting below cost to get the bussiness as he did at NJS. It is easy to get contracts by discounting.
The big issue here is that its the staff who have given good service and worked hard for the company dont have jobs while the owners, directors and senor management keep jobs and in some cases get large increases in salaries and benfits. The chop needs to start at the top.
The big issue here is that its the staff who have given good service and worked hard for the company dont have jobs while the owners, directors and senor management keep jobs and in some cases get large increases in salaries and benfits. The chop needs to start at the top.
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I reckon Icarus and Pianokeys have hit the nail on the head - and yes if so, it is history repeating itself because under the same management now at XR, NJS reportedly had the very same issues of business won at any cost - and not so much as breaking even (DRW NJS retraction from contracts, PER - ?. Consider the TEF business won from NJS but XR unable to crew due to different crewing limitations - this meant they have to dead head aircraft at their own cost between TEF and BME to crew change - must add up to big dollars over the year. Much pressure was placed on crewing people to find the extra crews and just make it happen, whatever it took.
The mix of unprofitable charter work, A320 dollars burnt, excess staff, reduced RPT pax numbers, ageing aircaft, a few failed routes such as KGI MEL, must surely be a toxic one.
Geoff Thomas: has done much recent extremely positive reporting of Skywest when all looks "stellar" at Skywest - what about some investigative journalism now followed by a media article about what is happening?
The mix of unprofitable charter work, A320 dollars burnt, excess staff, reduced RPT pax numbers, ageing aircaft, a few failed routes such as KGI MEL, must surely be a toxic one.
Geoff Thomas: has done much recent extremely positive reporting of Skywest when all looks "stellar" at Skywest - what about some investigative journalism now followed by a media article about what is happening?
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I heard the new CP was at the top of the list, I guess there's no point paying someone big dollars to be the Airbus CP when there is no Airbus.
It will be interesting to see how many will apply for the CP Airbus position next time, hope he/she has another job lined up, certainly not a pre-christmas feel good story.
It will be interesting to see how many will apply for the CP Airbus position next time, hope he/she has another job lined up, certainly not a pre-christmas feel good story.