Qantas Link in Crisis again....now its for Captains!
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Most probably be hiring DEs on hold towards the end of this year or beginning of next. I wouldn't count on the traineeship being opened in the foreseeable future. The traineeship was only introduced when the majors were hiring like crazy.
Get your ATPLs then some experience.
Get your ATPLs then some experience.
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Well, perhaps Qlink is expecting the majors to start hiring soon as well? They may as well get ready for the exodus if it does happen, because their F/O's would have built sh!tloads of multi-time in the last 18 months after GFC kicked in. They'd be hoovered up by the majors in no time.
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I believe it would be very interesting early next year. Given the major players are rumour to start hiring again, and a number of young captains have their application in there system. Also speculation is that a few retirees after they recieve their bonus from Janurary.
With the EBA around the corner, this makes it one interesting time! What percentage of pay rise can they demand before they are called crazy?
With the EBA around the corner, this makes it one interesting time! What percentage of pay rise can they demand before they are called crazy?
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Yes I am talking about the commercial cadet program they were offering. You needed commercial licence passes in maths and english an instrument rating with all the aids but RNAV and last but not least the a frozen ATPL.
I have a contact on the inside and he tells me rumour has it that it MAY begin early next year. I damn hope he's right
Cathay have their usual cadet program also. I've applied for that one aswell but haven't got a reply in about a month. That one is based in Hong Kong though. I'd rather fly Dash 8's
I have a contact on the inside and he tells me rumour has it that it MAY begin early next year. I damn hope he's right
Cathay have their usual cadet program also. I've applied for that one aswell but haven't got a reply in about a month. That one is based in Hong Kong though. I'd rather fly Dash 8's
What percentage of pay rise can they demand before they are called crazy?
What do you expect though when the first lot of Q400 drivers accepted a (barely) 6% payrise for a 33% bigger aircraft?
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www.qantaslink.bfound.net
just had my application in when the traineeships were on offer. just go to the web address above and create and account. providing you hold a cpl and instrument rating i think it lets you submit an application.
have you tried applying before?? what licences/ratings do you have ??
www.qantaslink.bfound.net
just had my application in when the traineeships were on offer. just go to the web address above and create and account. providing you hold a cpl and instrument rating i think it lets you submit an application.
have you tried applying before?? what licences/ratings do you have ??
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I have CPL, current MECIR and all ATPLs .. about 400 hours TT.
BTW, that link goes to direct entry applications; no traineeships offered.
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Yep I know there is no traineeships on offer at the moment but that recruitment part of the site is where they'll look for candidates if and when the program comes back online.
sounds like your a little bit ahead of me so you will look more attractive to them. At present I've got CPL MECIR I've had to pick up highschool maths and english becasue I left school in Grade 11 and still have 5 ATPL's to do. My TT is about 310hrs. I'm workin my arse off to get things done by about Jan or Feb next year just in case. Have you seen Cathay's cadetships they offer?? just go to this site and apply. they have dropped the requirement to be a hong kong citizen.
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sounds like your a little bit ahead of me so you will look more attractive to them. At present I've got CPL MECIR I've had to pick up highschool maths and english becasue I left school in Grade 11 and still have 5 ATPL's to do. My TT is about 310hrs. I'm workin my arse off to get things done by about Jan or Feb next year just in case. Have you seen Cathay's cadetships they offer?? just go to this site and apply. they have dropped the requirement to be a hong kong citizen.
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Hey Clinty
Your source is correct, in that they will be hiring again very soon. Word is by the end of this year, in this first instance the last figure I heard was approx 15-18 pilots that are already on the hold file. These guys (collective term) have a reasonable amount of experience however compared to the trainees with all possessing in excess of 3000 hours. Having said that I have also heard through the grapevine that the traineeship may/may not open back up next year. It was apparently reasonably successful after initial teething problems. Whilst economic climate has slowed, all accounts indicate that Qlink is doing very well thank you very much and it is a known fact that it is only a matter of time before hiring will take place again. The question on everyone's lips is when?
But dont get your hopes up mate, just be prepared....like other guys (collective term) indicate, get your ATPL's done ASAP that way you stand a better chance of getting a look in when the time comes around. As for the question should you stick around or not, well that all depends on you mate! Thing I learnt a little while back in aviation is this.....it wont come looking for you unfortunately....you have to go looking for it! Cheers!
Your source is correct, in that they will be hiring again very soon. Word is by the end of this year, in this first instance the last figure I heard was approx 15-18 pilots that are already on the hold file. These guys (collective term) have a reasonable amount of experience however compared to the trainees with all possessing in excess of 3000 hours. Having said that I have also heard through the grapevine that the traineeship may/may not open back up next year. It was apparently reasonably successful after initial teething problems. Whilst economic climate has slowed, all accounts indicate that Qlink is doing very well thank you very much and it is a known fact that it is only a matter of time before hiring will take place again. The question on everyone's lips is when?
But dont get your hopes up mate, just be prepared....like other guys (collective term) indicate, get your ATPL's done ASAP that way you stand a better chance of getting a look in when the time comes around. As for the question should you stick around or not, well that all depends on you mate! Thing I learnt a little while back in aviation is this.....it wont come looking for you unfortunately....you have to go looking for it! Cheers!
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Mate that is fantastic news to hear. I assume you are on the inside with some of the info that you've provided. I was talking to my contact yesterday 5/10 and he did mention the pilots with 3000hrs plus being hired soon. I had emailed Qlink to ask the question but got the response of Qantas cadets are coming back but Qlink commercial cadets aren't. I do get the feeling they are keeping or trying to keep their cards close to their chests.
I have, a couple of years ago, been in Ameria following many airshows and all the pilots I spoke to statred their professional jet/turbine careers with about 400hrs. In my opinion Australia is moving more towards competency based kind of hiring structure than the old fashioned go west and get a million hours. This perhaps may limit GA pilots and force up salaries. Another friend of mine is an F/O on 777's with V Australia and considering the long and winding path to get there is paid a little lower than I would have thought. On the upside I'm definitley not money orientated I'm surviving with a mortgage on 45k a year comfortably. I just want to fly some interesting machines with Qantaslink
Any idea on how many skippers are retiring next year??
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Mate that is fantastic news to hear. I assume you are on the inside with some of the info that you've provided. I was talking to my contact yesterday 5/10 and he did mention the pilots with 3000hrs plus being hired soon. I had emailed Qlink to ask the question but got the response of Qantas cadets are coming back but Qlink commercial cadets aren't. I do get the feeling they are keeping or trying to keep their cards close to their chests.
I have, a couple of years ago, been in Ameria following many airshows and all the pilots I spoke to statred their professional jet/turbine careers with about 400hrs. In my opinion Australia is moving more towards competency based kind of hiring structure than the old fashioned go west and get a million hours. This perhaps may limit GA pilots and force up salaries. Another friend of mine is an F/O on 777's with V Australia and considering the long and winding path to get there is paid a little lower than I would have thought. On the upside I'm definitley not money orientated I'm surviving with a mortgage on 45k a year comfortably. I just want to fly some interesting machines with Qantaslink
Any idea on how many skippers are retiring next year??
Clinty83
clinty83, your enthusiasm is definitely an asset, God knows the profession needs more new players with the passion. But don't be too preoccupied with the "competency" vs "experience" debate. The reason pilots in the US move into the regionals with 400 odd hours is not due to any sort of advancement in superior training or assesments, it's because for the money the operators are paying, these are the only pilots they gan get!
Pilots have always been prepared to do whatever it takes to get a foot in the door. It's that sort of game. As addictive as heroin, and just about as expensive. Problem is there are fewer young people in the population today willing to make the sacrifices, especially considering the steady decline in Terms and Conditions. Ergo, a situation where the experience requirements magically come down. Logic would dictate that in these circumstances wages and conditions should improve in an effort to attract the remaining experience out there, and to retain the assets already in house. Unfortunately, airlines are usually run by non-pilots with all the associated predudice's, or by former pilots, who in attaining their position have developed a ruthlesness towards their fellow aviators that perhaps you are yet to see! The result, is that airline management will do almost anything to replenish the ranks before considering the only thing that will ensure a long term solution to what will be an ongoing crewing crisis.
Also, don't worry too much about the 3000 hour applicants Qlink currently have on hold. When the major airlines start recruiting again, they will be gone faster than sh!t through a goose. Qlink have learnt nothing from the previous crewing crisis if they think otherwise!
Pilots have always been prepared to do whatever it takes to get a foot in the door. It's that sort of game. As addictive as heroin, and just about as expensive. Problem is there are fewer young people in the population today willing to make the sacrifices, especially considering the steady decline in Terms and Conditions. Ergo, a situation where the experience requirements magically come down. Logic would dictate that in these circumstances wages and conditions should improve in an effort to attract the remaining experience out there, and to retain the assets already in house. Unfortunately, airlines are usually run by non-pilots with all the associated predudice's, or by former pilots, who in attaining their position have developed a ruthlesness towards their fellow aviators that perhaps you are yet to see! The result, is that airline management will do almost anything to replenish the ranks before considering the only thing that will ensure a long term solution to what will be an ongoing crewing crisis.
Also, don't worry too much about the 3000 hour applicants Qlink currently have on hold. When the major airlines start recruiting again, they will be gone faster than sh!t through a goose. Qlink have learnt nothing from the previous crewing crisis if they think otherwise!
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On the upside I'm definitley not money orientated I'm surviving with a mortgage on 45k a year comfortably. I just want to fly some interesting machines with Qantaslink
If you ever want to:
- Live within commuting distance of a capital city airport (ie flying aeroplanes).
- Have kids.
- retire on anything other than the old age pension at north of age 67.
Have you seen the SJS? It won't take that long to read through the whole site.
Good luck with your career, just don't let the mangers take money out of your pocket, and put it in their own.
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In my opinion Australia is moving more towards competency based kind of hiring structure than the old fashioned go west and get a million hours.
This perhaps may limit GA pilots and force up salaries.
Remember, the QLink traineeship was a solution of last resort, because it was much cheaper than raising salaries.
I have, a couple of years ago, been in Ameria following many airshows and all the pilots I spoke to statred their professional jet/turbine careers with about 400hrs. In my opinion Australia is moving more towards competency based kind of hiring structure than the old fashioned go west and get a million hours
The Australian requirements are driven by either the Law or insurance requirements. Unless you change either of these there will always be the requirements. The fastest way to progress through the industry is to go to GA get the hours get into an airline DE then progress as soon as you can.
I heard of a story in QF where a guy who had done the whole GA thing bypassed a whole bunch of guys because he had the hours. He is now a FO I presume and the others are still SO's, even though they got into QF before him. It would be the same at QLink. You might get into the RHS quick yet be bypassed by a guy from GA who joins a year later because he has the experience you don't.
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You're on the money Neville with your last 2 paragraphs!
The fastest way to progress through the industry is to go to GA get the hours get into an airline DE then progress...
That "hopping over" others, progressing through a company, is happening everywhere and "pigeon-holing" in-experienced drivers is alive and well, as it locks/traps in labour in a company.
Try not to be a part of it and take control of your own career as it's about to go ballistic boys, very shortly...
China has just reached double-digit growth again, India is back on the boil after much "moving of the chairs", all Middle East carriers are still hunting for crew and many big International operators are ramping up their recruitment departments for action from this Nov/Dec!
All you need to do is look at all the contract work out there on the websites right now.
The fastest way to progress through the industry is to go to GA get the hours get into an airline DE then progress...
That "hopping over" others, progressing through a company, is happening everywhere and "pigeon-holing" in-experienced drivers is alive and well, as it locks/traps in labour in a company.
Try not to be a part of it and take control of your own career as it's about to go ballistic boys, very shortly
... China has just reached double-digit growth again, India is back on the boil after much "moving of the chairs", all Middle East carriers are still hunting for crew and many big International operators are ramping up their recruitment departments for action from this Nov/Dec!
All you need to do is look at all the contract work out there on the websites right now.
Well said Nev, Chocks'.
Like the aftershocks following an earthquake, they may be lower on the richter scale, but the weakening of structures from the big one will see many that initially survived, collapse!
Will the recruiting frenzy of 2 years ago be repeated at a similar level? I dunno'? Some say it'll be even bigger. Now I don't quite believe that, not yet anyway, and I'm certain the management of Qlink, REX, etc... are praying like crazy it won't, but it won't take too much for these organisations to be plunged back into a crewing crisis once more.
The intersting question is, what will they do about it this time? I'm betting they'll try more of the same. That is of course untill the writing is well and truely on the wall. Then of course it will be too late!
Like the aftershocks following an earthquake, they may be lower on the richter scale, but the weakening of structures from the big one will see many that initially survived, collapse!
Will the recruiting frenzy of 2 years ago be repeated at a similar level? I dunno'? Some say it'll be even bigger. Now I don't quite believe that, not yet anyway, and I'm certain the management of Qlink, REX, etc... are praying like crazy it won't, but it won't take too much for these organisations to be plunged back into a crewing crisis once more.
The intersting question is, what will they do about it this time? I'm betting they'll try more of the same. That is of course untill the writing is well and truely on the wall. Then of course it will be too late!
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go west and get a million hours
Salaries up? Not thru shortages but thru no votes on EBA/EA and protected action unfortunately is the only way you will see a payrise in this country. Look at teachers nurses and police. Thats how they do it.
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Neville - I saw a YouTube video that describe how much their pilot gets, like 20-30k us. That looks very little, but when you compare the cost of a box of cereal of .99 dollar. It is compariable to the regional pilots of oz.
At the end of the day. If both pilots have atpl, one worked in the ga for all his hours, while the other went to an airline, like qantaslink, as a fo. What would the bean counters pick??
At the end of the day. If both pilots have atpl, one worked in the ga for all his hours, while the other went to an airline, like qantaslink, as a fo. What would the bean counters pick??
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... new applicants or calling up those trainees that were previously selected and dropped into the infamous "hold" file?
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... Traineeship (by some slim chance) being re-opened, would the trainees that were put on active hold be sent to the back of the queue along with any new Traineeship applicants. i.e. will the selection process (interview and sim ride etc) expire = please re-apply with the rest of the masses.
Didn't something similar happen to mainline candidates on hold/LOI's???
