Merged: ASA Staff Shortage
I don't mean any offence but lets be honest, they aren't going to change until there is an accident, or a mass sacking by the board, or something crazy happens. Lets be realistic, it isn't going to get better, they still think they can get more out of the people they have. If you don't want to be appart of this, consider your options and have a go at working overseas.
They are taking raafies as it is cheaper and faster than taking someone off the street. They could easily take people off the street but it would cost more money so they will get the raaf to pay for the training, then pick the ready entry controllers out of the raaf. Its funny as it is saving ASA money, which is given back to the gov, and costing the government more by the lack of controllers in the RAAF and more training costs in the RAAF. So really ASA management are getting their big pay cheques at the tax payers expense.
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They are taking raafies as it is cheaper and faster than taking someone off the street. They could easily take people off the street but it would cost more money so they will get the raaf to pay for the training, then pick the ready entry controllers out of the raaf. Its funny as it is saving ASA money, which is given back to the gov, and costing the government more by the lack of controllers in the RAAF and more training costs in the RAAF. So really ASA management are getting their big pay cheques at the tax payers expense.
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Hallo Mick! Wie sind die Deutsch-Unterricht geht? Genießen Sie einen schönen deutschen Sommer ja? Ihren alten Arbeitsplatz leidet, ohne dass Sie ... Sie Bastard!
Aber Sie haben Recht. Airservices sich niemals ändern wird, bis "Bodensee" (Lake Constance) wird zu "Lake Argyle" zu beschreiben, anstatt die nächste große Flugzeugunglück....
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Aber Sie haben Recht. Airservices sich niemals ändern wird, bis "Bodensee" (Lake Constance) wird zu "Lake Argyle" zu beschreiben, anstatt die nächste große Flugzeugunglück....
Auf Wiedersehen
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Deutsch lassons sind groß. Die Arbeit bist gut. Das Leben ist schön. Mein neue Dienstplan wird vier Tage auf, vier Tage frei.
Ich fahre mein Fahrrad zur Arbeit jeden Morgen durch den Park. Der DFS ist recht gut zu arbeiten.
Das Geld ist gut. Ich mag Karlsruhe. Die Missus mag Karlsruhe. Es ist gut.
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Ich fahre mein Fahrrad zur Arbeit jeden Morgen durch den Park. Der DFS ist recht gut zu arbeiten.
Das Geld ist gut. Ich mag Karlsruhe. Die Missus mag Karlsruhe. Es ist gut.
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Dick Smith
Re: "Your claim to fame is as a wealthy electronics guy made good (congratulations on that btw), a pilot who hates ATC’s and a stint at CASA. Keep your nose out of something you know nothing about, and have had no experience in"
It might be worthwhile getting your facts straight first. Prior to Dick's last stint at CASA, he was also the Chairman on the CAA around 1989/90/91, when the organisation did have responsibility for Air Traffic Services. Along with former CEO Frank Baldwin, Dick was around at the time of regional Flight Service Unit closures and the decision to proceed with the 2-centre concept. So, to say he has no experience in Air Traffic Services is not true.
It might be worthwhile getting your facts straight first. Prior to Dick's last stint at CASA, he was also the Chairman on the CAA around 1989/90/91, when the organisation did have responsibility for Air Traffic Services. Along with former CEO Frank Baldwin, Dick was around at the time of regional Flight Service Unit closures and the decision to proceed with the 2-centre concept. So, to say he has no experience in Air Traffic Services is not true.
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Recruitment Update
ASA have just began a course for ab initio controllers 2 weeks ago. The next course is due to start some time in October with 2 more courses booked in to start before the end of the year after the October course. More courses are planned for next year but haven't been 'signed off' on yet. Courses are now only taking 8 trainees at a time. There we go, shortage fixed 
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At least 8 at a time seems to address the problem of 1 instructor sitting behind 2 trainees in the simulator. That might satisfy any CASA or internal audit but it doesn't satisfy the staff shortage.
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I think the clear evidence that TFN and his ridiculous GMs have lied to the minister and public is in the response to the questions on notice during the last senate estimates required. They have produced the stats for absences over the past few years and there is a clear decline in single day absences where they have been claiming that there was an increase led by renegade controllers as a tactic for the CA.
So if the sick leave is going down but we are still having shortages it must mean that there are genuine shortages.
But the problem here is that we have a CEO and Minister that are more interested in themselves than being honest with the ATCs and the public. There needs to be an inquiry into the management of Airservices over the past few years in the context of the public statemens made by Greg and supported by the new minister.
Included in that inquiry should be a detailed examination of bonuses paid to managers in the context of the shortages and the complete stuff up that was the CA process. The fact that certain people on the "CAN"'t team have been given a six month paid holiday to get an MBA as a reward for achieving nothing is ridiculous. ATCs can't even get the time to do essential training but the over paid managers get a six month paid holiday to get a qualification that doesn't directly impact the operations? It is a fricken joke.
But do I think anything will change? No... let's face it... we live in a world where the TFNs of the world can do and say anything and never be held to account for their lies or behaviour. Where a NAB manager can stuff the ATC college and get paid a bonus. Where the people and change team can grow fat off the backs of ATCs and never provide real services.
I think it is important to note that in Airservices it doesn't matter if you are competent, capable and professional. All that matters is how good you are at charming key people and hiding any facts that might humiliate.
In my view Airservices shouldn't be handed back to the government - it should be completely privatised and held to ISO standards with real audits and real scrutiny instead of the weak audits of CASA that airservices can squirm out of by winking at the minister.
So if the sick leave is going down but we are still having shortages it must mean that there are genuine shortages.
But the problem here is that we have a CEO and Minister that are more interested in themselves than being honest with the ATCs and the public. There needs to be an inquiry into the management of Airservices over the past few years in the context of the public statemens made by Greg and supported by the new minister.
Included in that inquiry should be a detailed examination of bonuses paid to managers in the context of the shortages and the complete stuff up that was the CA process. The fact that certain people on the "CAN"'t team have been given a six month paid holiday to get an MBA as a reward for achieving nothing is ridiculous. ATCs can't even get the time to do essential training but the over paid managers get a six month paid holiday to get a qualification that doesn't directly impact the operations? It is a fricken joke.
But do I think anything will change? No... let's face it... we live in a world where the TFNs of the world can do and say anything and never be held to account for their lies or behaviour. Where a NAB manager can stuff the ATC college and get paid a bonus. Where the people and change team can grow fat off the backs of ATCs and never provide real services.
I think it is important to note that in Airservices it doesn't matter if you are competent, capable and professional. All that matters is how good you are at charming key people and hiding any facts that might humiliate.
In my view Airservices shouldn't be handed back to the government - it should be completely privatised and held to ISO standards with real audits and real scrutiny instead of the weak audits of CASA that airservices can squirm out of by winking at the minister.
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Another way.....
Why don't you gather your "evidence"; prepare your brief; and go to the Shadow Transport or Aviation (?) Minister for him to ask the questions in Parliament?
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Why don't you gather your "evidence"; prepare your brief; and go to the Shadow Transport or Aviation (?) Minister for him to ask the questions in Parliament?
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I wrote to the senators on the portfolio comittee and suggested questions... unfortunately most of them were put on notice instead of being asked. I think there are bigger political fish to fry at the moment... that's kind of what I mean... it doesn't matter what Greg and Airservices does.... at the end of the day the organisation isn't visible enough to matter.
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14 Raafies, that'll fix it !!!
More Raafies jumpin ship eh !
Good luck to you all but be warned people, the grass isn't always greener. Look further than just the dollars on offer. If it looks too good to be true, then it probably is.
Make sure you get anything offered in writing, as the spoken word is often overlooked in AsA (managements 1st rule).
Keep your mouth shut, as anything you did previously in the Raaf doesn't count for **** until you have a few AsA years under your belt.
Leave the Raaf on a good note, don't burn those bridges, you might need them one day.
Watch your back and good luck.
Good luck to you all but be warned people, the grass isn't always greener. Look further than just the dollars on offer. If it looks too good to be true, then it probably is.
Make sure you get anything offered in writing, as the spoken word is often overlooked in AsA (managements 1st rule).
Keep your mouth shut, as anything you did previously in the Raaf doesn't count for **** until you have a few AsA years under your belt.
Leave the Raaf on a good note, don't burn those bridges, you might need them one day.
Watch your back and good luck.
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In addition to what C-change said....
Even if you do get it in writing, do not be surprised if they renege anyway... 'that person didn't have the authority to approve that' is one of their favourite lines in that circumstance.
As one who jumped ship a few years ago, it is better and worth it. BUT AsA management is totally (and blindly in my opinion) driven by the dollars - you will very quickly get sick of the organisation trying to short change you to save a few dollars, of shifts not being fully replaced ('we can tactically manage it' is another favourite saying - how exactly? Ask airborne aircraft to just stop?) to save a couple of hours of overtime, no operationally significant refresher training, the list of shortcuts is endless. All the while, nothing visible to industry is promulgated because it would now be an embarrassment with the CA signed off. The organisation is a joke but, sadly, is a better place to be than the RAAF.
Even if you do get it in writing, do not be surprised if they renege anyway... 'that person didn't have the authority to approve that' is one of their favourite lines in that circumstance.
As one who jumped ship a few years ago, it is better and worth it. BUT AsA management is totally (and blindly in my opinion) driven by the dollars - you will very quickly get sick of the organisation trying to short change you to save a few dollars, of shifts not being fully replaced ('we can tactically manage it' is another favourite saying - how exactly? Ask airborne aircraft to just stop?) to save a couple of hours of overtime, no operationally significant refresher training, the list of shortcuts is endless. All the while, nothing visible to industry is promulgated because it would now be an embarrassment with the CA signed off. The organisation is a joke but, sadly, is a better place to be than the RAAF.