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Sounds like it was "your mate" that didnt think real hard before accepting...
Whilst I havent read the Tiger contract, for some guys to turn down a what is most likely their first jet gig speaks volumes to me about the offer.
Hope he likes the idea of getting shafted to Singers at a moments notice and then not being able buy a house and take advantage of low interest rates nowadays 'coz the bank doesnt like the "unnotified unpaid leave" clauses in his contract. Sounds like your mate got the jump on those other fellas alright!
Whilst I havent read the Tiger contract, for some guys to turn down a what is most likely their first jet gig speaks volumes to me about the offer.
Hope he likes the idea of getting shafted to Singers at a moments notice and then not being able buy a house and take advantage of low interest rates nowadays 'coz the bank doesnt like the "unnotified unpaid leave" clauses in his contract. Sounds like your mate got the jump on those other fellas alright!
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I always seem to see spare gates at T2, they only need one for 30mins. They use Aerocare, so I take it they will use the DJ side??
Tiger do nearly an 1hr turn around at LST most days, dont think that would work to well at SYD.
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You Ozzies , always make Sydney out to be such a busy airport. even arrogantly thinking it comes close to Chicago or Heathrow.
PRM approaches , no place to park , bla bla
" Oh God forbid another A320 into Sydney , how will we cope.The infrastructure just cannot cope. Our controllers , ramp agents and fire services are just stretched to the max. Oh we better devise a new rule or procedure to accomodate it. I know dual independant PRM , slot controlled , PRNAV , Airbus only , CASA trained and ASA approved pilots only" ( thats just to start while we can think of some more rules and procedures)
Its a small town airport compared to the real world , get some perspective Australia . Embrace growth , encourage development and cut the beauracratic mediocrity.
Best said by a retiring UAL 744 Captain a few years ago , " Ah Sydney centre United --- , Its my last flight today and I just want to thank you for all the years of service throughout my career. You are definately the second best controllers in the world"
Sydney ATC, " Thanks Mate , just out of interest who,s the best ? "
UAL Captain , " everybody else"
NO offence to those that support the wallabies ( second best rugby team in the world)
PRM approaches , no place to park , bla bla
" Oh God forbid another A320 into Sydney , how will we cope.The infrastructure just cannot cope. Our controllers , ramp agents and fire services are just stretched to the max. Oh we better devise a new rule or procedure to accomodate it. I know dual independant PRM , slot controlled , PRNAV , Airbus only , CASA trained and ASA approved pilots only" ( thats just to start while we can think of some more rules and procedures)
Its a small town airport compared to the real world , get some perspective Australia . Embrace growth , encourage development and cut the beauracratic mediocrity.
Best said by a retiring UAL 744 Captain a few years ago , " Ah Sydney centre United --- , Its my last flight today and I just want to thank you for all the years of service throughout my career. You are definately the second best controllers in the world"
Sydney ATC, " Thanks Mate , just out of interest who,s the best ? "
UAL Captain , " everybody else"
NO offence to those that support the wallabies ( second best rugby team in the world)
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fourgolds your points are valid however those that are responsible for the infrastructure are way behind and seem only interested in where they jam in another crispy cream, mc donalds etc.
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The "DJ Side"? What exactly are you smoking? Please tell us where the spare gates are there,
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Tigers on the loose in Sydney
This is slightly left of field to the discussion, but how many pax who arrive and depart SYD, are tranisitting thru and if there was an option, would not have landed there at all?
I wonder if there really is a need for so many aircraft to go thru SYD?
I believe if TT do go in there, it will indeed be interesting.
I avoid the place as often as I can, thoughts anyone??
I wonder if there really is a need for so many aircraft to go thru SYD?
I believe if TT do go in there, it will indeed be interesting.
I avoid the place as often as I can, thoughts anyone??
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No room on the DJ side, in fact DJ seem to be using a gate on the Qantas side these days.
Look mummy I got a job on the big Jet , but I will still have to keep the job at McDonalds and live at home!
Your mate must be the luckiest bloke in aviation to score a gig like that.
Your mate must be the luckiest bloke in aviation to score a gig like that.
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What about doing what AirAsia does at certain ports, in parking the A320 before the Aerobridge to aviod the costs of it, and ground crew dont need to then pushback aircraft.
Can this be done at any gates around YSSY though?? or just park on a Bay somewhere and get the pax walking!
Can this be done at any gates around YSSY though?? or just park on a Bay somewhere and get the pax walking!
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Fourgolds, either you don't fly into SYD domestic, or you just missed the point. Nobody said the place was as busy an many international ports are. It is kept artificially busy through the limitations, greed, shortages and stupidity that is endemic to the place. Many of the captains I fly with have extensive international experience, and lambast the place because of how it is operated. The fitting in of another operator is wishful thinking at best. As I mentioned earlier, IF they decide to add SYD to their flights, then they aren't going to be an "On Time" operator for very long, and the rest of us will simply get worse. (If that is possible......)
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Ok, so DHL took over that bit too did they?
I just thought they had their offices for their "Asia/Pacific" shed held within and the Dom Express Terminal was a basic shell.
Wouldn't take much to get up and going again though I guess and you could park the SAAB's down next to the Fire Station on 16R, out of the way
I just thought they had their offices for their "Asia/Pacific" shed held within and the Dom Express Terminal was a basic shell.
Wouldn't take much to get up and going again though I guess and you could park the SAAB's down next to the Fire Station on 16R, out of the way
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Waren9 -
I have read the contract - the clause clearly states that the period of unpaid leave is "by mutual agreement", substantially different to your claim of 'unnotified unpaid leave'.
Whilst I havent read the Tiger contract
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I was only opining on some very possible outcomes of what KTM525 had said.
That said, what credible employer offers work with unpaid leave clauses already in the contract? Either the work is steady and they need pilots or it isnt and they want employee flexibility for free.
Anyone in the game for long enough knows that "by mutual agreement" really means "We've got deeper pockets than you, so threaten us with the employment court if you want".
Good luck to your mate. Let us know how he gets on.
That said, what credible employer offers work with unpaid leave clauses already in the contract? Either the work is steady and they need pilots or it isnt and they want employee flexibility for free.
Anyone in the game for long enough knows that "by mutual agreement" really means "We've got deeper pockets than you, so threaten us with the employment court if you want".
Good luck to your mate. Let us know how he gets on.
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Everyone so bitter and twisted about the Tiger contract. It is simple if you don't like it don't accept, stay in GA building those usefull turbo prop or piston hours. The grass isn't always greener, the money isn't always better and no job in aviation has any real form of stability. Just look at the relatively unforeseen demise of Ansett.
Most of all don't comment with hearsay, especially on something you obviously know nothing or at least very little about. You simply make yourself sound like a pathetic GA pilot who most likely will never get the opportunity to fly a jet because you think you are that great your services are worth a premium. Good luck on that one Champ.
Just for your info, the tiger contract is similar to every other low cost carrier in the world, it is a company that provides the opportunity to get a step up into that first jet job. Not unlike Jetstar they offer a base salary and additional hourly flying pay, unlike jetstar there is no minimum before the hourly pay commences.
This contract is very similar to Jetstar in many ways, the only difference being that instead of laying pilots off if the OZ market dives, they offer the opportunity to transfer to Singapore so you at least have a job. If you don't like that option you stay in OZ and take the LWOP. Unlike Jetstar you don't get the oneworld staff travel, but hey I would rather have a jet job than wait for them to recruit again.
Like I said earlier, no one is forcing you or your mate to agree to the terms and accept the opportunity. At the very least you should have the courtesy to give everyone else the opportunity to make up their own minds.
Maybe you are jaded because you didn't get the call up, maybe you have a better paid job or already have a jet position somewhere else. Most likely you have no touch with reality and still think that every airline is desperately short of pilots.
For those that accepted congrats on your first jet job.
Most of all don't comment with hearsay, especially on something you obviously know nothing or at least very little about. You simply make yourself sound like a pathetic GA pilot who most likely will never get the opportunity to fly a jet because you think you are that great your services are worth a premium. Good luck on that one Champ.
Just for your info, the tiger contract is similar to every other low cost carrier in the world, it is a company that provides the opportunity to get a step up into that first jet job. Not unlike Jetstar they offer a base salary and additional hourly flying pay, unlike jetstar there is no minimum before the hourly pay commences.
This contract is very similar to Jetstar in many ways, the only difference being that instead of laying pilots off if the OZ market dives, they offer the opportunity to transfer to Singapore so you at least have a job. If you don't like that option you stay in OZ and take the LWOP. Unlike Jetstar you don't get the oneworld staff travel, but hey I would rather have a jet job than wait for them to recruit again.
Like I said earlier, no one is forcing you or your mate to agree to the terms and accept the opportunity. At the very least you should have the courtesy to give everyone else the opportunity to make up their own minds.
Maybe you are jaded because you didn't get the call up, maybe you have a better paid job or already have a jet position somewhere else. Most likely you have no touch with reality and still think that every airline is desperately short of pilots.
For those that accepted congrats on your first jet job.
